WeeNix
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Why should footballers be picked on for this though. What about the massively excessive amounts of money earned by bankers even when theycost everyday people their life savings through reckless business practices? What about executives and shareholders for electronics companies which use sweatshop labour and source rare earth metals for components from mines run by genocidal warlords in African conflict zones? Footballers might wear sweatshop made gear and endorse dodgy products but as far as unfair distribution of wealth goes they're small fry. At least football entertains people and lets them feel something special occassionally. I can think of a certain high profile kiwi who made his millions buying and selling foreign currencies - what benefit does that bring to most peoples lives? Who is happier because 4 million euros became 6 million greenbacks, other than the guy who took his cut from it?

Sorry, didn't mean to rant but I just think there's way bigger issues in the world than footballers salaries and it seems like an odd thing to get up in arms about

I agree to some extent but this is a football forum so was making a point in context.

Head Sleuth
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they're providing an entertainment that people are willing to pay them that much to see. Same with any musician or movie star. If you don't think its deserved then go spend or donate your money elsewhere. 

If grounds are full, then people are willing to pay that much to be entertained by the product. 

WeeNix
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Tegal wrote:

indeed. People say "who can afford an EPL ticket" but something like 95% of EPL tickets have sold this season. 

Who's buying though? Are they ending up in the hands of true football fans or are they ending up in the hands of people wanting some more status symbols? or being used by big business as perks etc.

WeeNix
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Tegal wrote:

they're providing an entertainment that people are willing to pay them that much to see. Same with any musician or movie star. If you don't think its deserved then go spend or donate your money elsewhere. 

I do.

Head Sleuth
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then good for you. Status symbol? What? I'd say those fans paying $ to see games would be football fans, it'd be a bit of a waste of money if they weren't. 

valeo
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Also, the big difference between a professional sportsman and say, a doctor or a banker - is that the pro sportsman likely only has 10-15 (max) 'good' years in him; it's only the very rare / lucky player that can last beyond that at the top tier. One injury or bad season and theyre done.

Marquee
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Tegal wrote:

they're providing an entertainment that people are willing to pay them that much to see. Same with any musician or movie star. If you don't think its deserved then go spend or donate your money elsewhere. 

If grounds are full, then people are willing to pay that much to be entertained by the product. 

Sure, people can go and spend their money anywhere/anyhow they like. It's just a shame that fans, especially football fans, you are valued to some degree within your group/culture on how strongly you support your team and that means buying supporter gear and tickets to home and away games etc. - and clubs/corporations know this and can exploit you accordingly. Fans demand is very inelastic. 

Man Utd's match day revenue was 109.1 million pounds and merchandising was 38.6 million pounds year ending June 2013.  That's ~2.3 million people's cost of AIDS treatment for a year.

And even though people can go and spend what they like, I still think it is fair to have an opinion on the matter. And yes I'm a hypocrite, I spend money on frivolous entertainment that could be better spent elsewhere, I spend too much time engaging in sport when it could be spent better elsewhere - it's just easier to point out the extreme excesses of professional sport/most things really. 

Marquee
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alireggae wrote:

Why should footballers be picked on for this though. What about the massively excessive amounts of money earned by bankers even when theycost everyday people their life savings through reckless business practices? What about executives and shareholders for electronics companies which use sweatshop labour and source rare earth metals for components from mines run by genocidal warlords in African conflict zones? Footballers might wear sweatshop made gear and endorse dodgy products but as far as unfair distribution of wealth goes they're small fry. At least football entertains people and lets them feel something special occassionally. I can think of a certain high profile kiwi who made his millions buying and selling foreign currencies - what benefit does that bring to most peoples lives? Who is happier because 4 million euros became 6 million greenbacks, other than the guy who took his cut from it?

Sorry, didn't mean to rant but I just think there's way bigger issues in the world than footballers salaries and it seems like an odd thing to get up in arms about

I agree to some extent but this is a football forum so was making a point in context.

Fair enough :)
Marquee
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valeo wrote:

Also, the big difference between a professional sportsman and say, a doctor or a banker - is that the pro sportsman likely only has 10-15 (max) 'good' years in him; it's only the very rare / lucky player that can last beyond that at the top tier. One injury or bad season and theyre done.

The average weekly pay of a Man City first team player is more than the highest yearly basic salary for NHS consultants.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/apr/15/manchester-city-best-paid-team-in-global-salary-survey-compare

http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/explore-by-career/doctors/pay-for-doctors/

WeeNix
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alireggae wrote:

Tegal wrote:

indeed. People say "who can afford an EPL ticket" but something like 95% of EPL tickets have sold this season. 

Who's buying though? Are they ending up in the hands of true football fans or are they ending up in the hands of people wanting some more status symbols? or being used by big business as perks etc.

Chip meet shoulder, shoulder say hi to Chip. 

Shoulder: "Hi Chip"

Chip: "How's it going Shoulder?"

Shoulder: "Good compared to you. You look like crap"

Chip: "Yeah I've been on the ACFC shoulder a long time"

Someone keep this going. 

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Bullion wrote:

valeo wrote:

Also, the big difference between a professional sportsman and say, a doctor or a banker - is that the pro sportsman likely only has 10-15 (max) 'good' years in him; it's only the very rare / lucky player that can last beyond that at the top tier. One injury or bad season and theyre done.

The average weekly pay of a Man City first team player is more than the highest yearly basic salary for NHS consultants.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/apr/15/manchester-city-best-paid-team-in-global-salary-survey-compare

http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/explore-by-career/doctors/pay-for-doctors/

Yeah, but that's not a fair comparison. Private doctors in exclusive plastic surgery clinics are probably closer to what Man City players are, relative to the vast majority of people doing the job. There's heaps and heaps of professional footballers who earn far less than doctors do. The people at the very extreme end of the pay range should be compared to the other people at the extreme end of their pay range.
Head Sleuth
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but then footballers bring joy to millions. A brain surgeon operates on a lot fewer than that

Marquee
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$150,000 p/week! Sheesh! Mick & Keef don't get outta bed for less than 5 mill up front.

Yeah, we top soul surgeons man.

WeeNix
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over 11 years

money only matters to the poor, pity the poor are unable to make it

Marquee
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Tegal wrote:

but then footballers bring joy to millions. A brain surgeon operates on a lot fewer than that

The opiate of the masses.

Marquee
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David James, ex-England keeper, whose "earnings in wages alone topped 20 mill pounds" sterling, is now facing bankruptcy and selling off his assets in an online auction.

"They shoulda paid me more" (unattrib.)

"My hearts bleeds" etc.etc.  (ditto)

see latest on www.ukyahoo.com

Marquee
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Having said all that above it still pisses me off to hear someone like Yaya Toure complaining that Man City didn't buy him a Bugatti for his birthday

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So , is he injured or isn't he? Listed as playing 90 mins for West Ham last night.

"42:19 Foul by Winston Reid (West Ham United)."

valeo
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So , is he injured or isn't he? Listed as playing 90 mins for West Ham last night.

"42:19 Foul by Winston Reid (West Ham United)."

This. Is he doing a Tommy?

Appiah without the pace
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I beleive it called 'doing a Nelsen'

Marquee
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Tripped over his wallet.

valeo
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Sounds like Big Sam has said he has back spasm's (and is angry we called him up) yet he seems okay to play him for 90 minutes? Typical.

Starting XI
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Blah blah blah, must play every friendlie, blah blah

Starting XI
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he was down for a while last week with his leg. that is where the injury came from, and he agrevated it last night

valeo
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Why would they play him for 90 mins when he has an existing injury? Because they figure that the international break will give him time to rest?

Pretty annoying for Hudson, i'd say.

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The back spasm was before World Cup qualifiers. Not now. He is an important player for them so you can't blame them for playing him knowing he could rest now. It does suck for us though.
Lawyerish
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It's also make or break time for the hammers money wise. If Reid doesn't sign this new and improved contract, they will be wanting to get their pound of flesh in January come transfer time. Nothing can disrupt that, not injury, nor Thailand.
Marquee
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hmmmm..another international window missed.

WeeNix
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It's also make or break time for the hammers money wise. If Reid doesn't sign this new and improved contract, they will be wanting to get their pound of flesh in January come transfer time. Nothing can disrupt that, not injury, nor Thailand.

He goes on a free at the end of the season so his value on the market diminishes by the day. Truth is not one premier league is offering yet he's stonewalling at $60,000/week salary. I suspect he's already decided and wants to choose when to go. Can someone remind him he's no Rio Ferdinand and life isn't all roses at Man U or Arsenal every week. Specially if you fall out of favour.
WeeNix
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LeSinge wrote:
It's also make or break time for the hammers money wise. If Reid doesn't sign this new and improved contract, they will be wanting to get their pound of flesh in January come transfer time. Nothing can disrupt that, not injury, nor Thailand.

He goes on a free at the end of the season so his value on the market diminishes by the day. Truth is not one premier league is offering yet he's stonewalling at $60,000/week salary. I suspect he's already decided and wants to choose when to go. Can someone remind him he's no Rio Ferdinand and life isn't all roses at Man U or Arsenal every week. Specially if you fall out of favour.

Yeah im sure he doesnt know that. Someone tell him quick.
Cock
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You would think he has weighed up being a big fish in a small pond vs a small fish in a big pond (so to speak)

Legend
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about 17 years

I've enjoyed cheering for West Ham and Southampton this season, but each year one team shoots higher than expectations. A couple of years ago, Swansea. Before them Newcastle and West Brom. 

Still from an AW perspective wouldn't you rather he was at West Ham and getting a lot of game time? Plus they did come and visit us recently.

Lawyerish
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Has anyone in the history of football ever turned down Man U to stay at West Ham?
WeeNix
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over 10 years

Has anyone in the history of football ever turned down Man U to stay at West Ham?
none to my knowledge and plenty of sucess stories; Ferdinand, Carrick, Ince (judas). Loyalty to the club that brought Winston out of the Danish league, stuck by him in the early years, it would seem counts for nothing. Good luck to him; hope he gets game time.
WeeNix
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550
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over 11 years

An all white choosing between Man U, Arsenal, Liverpool and West Ham - we have entered a parallel dimension. No point getting all judas on him, this is a moment to savour

WeeNix
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950
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about 13 years

LeSinge wrote:

Has anyone in the history of football ever turned down Man U to stay at West Ham?
none to my knowledge and plenty of sucess stories; Ferdinand, Carrick, Ince (judas). Loyalty to the club that brought Winston out of the Danish league, stuck by him in the early years, it would seem counts for nothing. Good luck to him; hope he gets game time.

This attitude really fuckn annoys me. 
valeo
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If you were headhunted for a bigger, better job that pays more in any other profession, would you not go? Of course you would.

Loyalty means nothing. A change in manager at West Ham and Reid could be out the door; anything can happen

Marquee
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almost 14 years

Loyalty only works if it goes both ways. If a better player than Reid came along you can bet that Westham would drop him.

Legend
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about 17 years

LeSinge wrote:

Has anyone in the history of football ever turned down Man U to stay at West Ham?
none to my knowledge and plenty of sucess stories; Ferdinand, Carrick, Ince (judas). Loyalty to the club that brought Winston out of the Danish league, stuck by him in the early years, it would seem counts for nothing. Good luck to him; hope he gets game time.

LIkewise loyalty to the country that developed all his skills, gave him experience of captaining a team in European competition and playing in European competition at youth level counts for nothing too....

Lawyerish
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It was interesting hearing Hudson speak about Reid on radio sport the other day. Unless Hudson just sprouts shit endlessly the tone and comments indicated that Reid is definitely on his way to a top club so maybe Winnie has confided in him.

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