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Competition in his position and age group at Blackburn
 
Phil Jones                  England U21 squad        Just signed a new 5 year contract
Grant Hanley            Scotland U20 squad  Captain and a member of the full Scotland squad 
Anthony OConnor    Republic of Ireland U20 squad
Adam Henley            Wales U20 squad
Will James                 Wales U18 squad
 
Tough at the top maybe its time to look at other options.
Was on Loan/trial at Rangers playing reserves for a month. Was offered a short term contract which he didn`t except.
 
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Smeltz4PM wrote:
Buffon II wrote:
Smeltz4PM wrote:

Cameron Lindsay made his first appearance for Blackburn u18's vs Bolton for ages, coming on as an 86th minute sub

He has been on loan/trialling at various Scottish clubs, including Rangers.


Is that because he doesn't look like making the grade at rovers?


No it is because they showed interest and it was a good experience for him. He still has work to do at Rovers but things are hardly going terribly for him there.
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Why would Rovers allow that though - if he is any good which i believe he is, surely then the are opening up the possiblity of him moving on??
 
Learning how to trial is a good experience if your looking at club because your a free agent, but not when you are contracted (even only on a youth contract)
 
Imagine having an employee say to you, hey boss i'm going to go to a few job interviews, not because i'm looking for another job or anything. I just want the experience... no way!!
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el grapadura wrote:
Are we talking 6-figure in the UK or here?

Here I could buy at a very long stretch, but no-one in the conference is getting 100,000 pounds a year.
Seems even some players in the Conference South are on up to 2000 pounds per week- which adds up to six figures UK over a year- a bit more than 100,000 pounds over a year...
Assume some players in the Conference National such as Wrexham, Luton Town etc. would be on more than this...
Don't forget average wages are deceptive- some players can be receiving heaps whilst fringe players, young players etc receive much less...
Evidence from a major UK football discussion site which some players and agents also contribute to:
 
With regards to wages, totally depends on the level of club your going to be playing for and the aspirations of the club. Many lower league teams dont even bother with contracts and sign players on non-contract terms wages will tend to be minimal and travel expenses are usually covered. Contact players, ive worked with a few at conference south level that were getting paid �2000 a week, but to be fair they were playing way below what they should of been at the time.

hope it helps,

Scouty
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  • Big Pete 652011-05-07 02:46:33
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    Interesting details from the BBC on wages in Premiership and Football League:
     
    April 2006, 08:58 GMT 09:58 UK
     
    Survey reveals footballers' wages
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    The average Premiership footballers salary is �676,000
    <!-- E IIMA --><!-- S SF -->Premiership footballers earn an average of �676,000 per year, according to a survey by The Independent and the Professional Footballers' Association.

    That figure, which equates to �13,000 per week, typically rises by between 60% and 100% when performance-related bonuses are taken into account.

    Strikers have the highest average annual salary, with �806,000, while midfielders earn about �754,000.

    Defenders earn �653,000 on average and Premiership goalkeepers make �533,000. <!-- E SF -->

    The basic pay represents an average rise of around 65% from the average figure in 2000.

    Players' bonuses vary enormously - depending on the terms of their deal - but could easily double a footballer's salary.

    Bonuses may include appearance money of about �5,000 per game - even if the player only comes on as a last-minute substitute.

    <!-- S I -->

    PREMIERSHIP WAGES BY AGE
    17-18: �24,500
    19-20: �95,000
    21-22: �390,000
    23-24: �582,500
    25-26: �653,000
    27-28: �899,500
    29-30: �806,000
    31-32: �586,000
    33+: 660,500
    Average: �676,000*
    (* Average figure takes into account players aged over 20)
    <!-- E I -->Signing-on fees are often a six-figure sum, with payments usually spread over the term of a player's contract - for example, a �250,000 signing-on fee, spread over three years, would equate to an extra �1,603 per week.

    Players can also look forward to a share of a win bonus following each victory and an end-of-season performance bonus - often related to whether a team stays up or qualifies for Europe.

    Further bonuses may follow if a club reaches a cup final and there may also be goal bonuses.

    Wages are also staggered according to age, with the highest earners tending to be those aged between 27 and 30.

    Salaries drop considerably in lower divisions, although they are still substantial.

    Championship players earn an average salary of �195,750, League One players �67,850 and League Two �49,600.

    About 400 players across the four professional divisions responded to the survey.

     
    Big Pete 652011-05-07 02:58:58
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    It still find it odd that goal keepers are paid so poorly (although that figure could be brought down by reserve keepers who are probably paid way less than an equivalent reserve outfielder).  For a weaker team a good keeper is goin to earn you a lot of points over a season
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    So if the Nix are trying to recruit players from.....say, League 1 where the average is 67,000 pounds which is a just over $120,000 NZD then we are in the ball park for matching these wages.
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    zinidane wrote:
    ... just over $120,000 NZD then we are in the ball park for matching these wages.


    Closer to $150k I think you'll find.
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    abris wrote:
    I found a kiwi player who is a left back playing in conference north(6th tier)  with FC Eastwood town: Kris Matthews. Anybody who knows info about him


    Kris is now playing for Quorn FC in the Northern Premier League Division One South, which is the 8th tier of English football. He's 25 so not sure if you'd class him as 'young'.

    http://quornfc.com/players.htm

    Wibblebutt2011-05-12 13:49:30
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    Frankie Mac and James Dean play at a higher level than that... (not actually true, but still)
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    Seriously Abris, you get a bit carried away sometimes. 8th tier of football isn't a great level. I wouldn't go too much further below league two.
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    Luis Garcia wrote:
    Seriously Abris, you get a bit carried away sometimes. 8th tier of football isn't a great level. I wouldn't go too much further below league two.


    To be fair, this thread isn't titled "Young kiwis playing in the UK above conference level" though. And I think it's kind of interesting knowing about kiwi players playing in the lower leagues.
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    $5 says Luis Garcia gets even more carried away than abris if a player with some connection to Nelson gets signed by a 9th-division team *

    *offer not seriouz
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    Robb wrote:
    $5 says Luis Garcia gets even more carried away than abris if a player
    with some connection to Nelson gets signed by a 9th-division team * *offer not seriouz


    True though isn't it.

    Give the guy a break Luis. Abris does an excellent job covering all these players in his own time.
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    Luis Garcia wrote:
    Seriously Abris, you get a bit carried away sometimes. 8th tier of football isn't a great level. I wouldn't go too much further below league two.
    I said it many times but i will repeat it again: my goal is not necessarily to speak about kiwis overseas playing at a good level. It's more when a find a new player, I put it on this forum, so at least some other people can add additionnal info about them. Also if a player plays in a lower division, it doesn't mean that in the future he will never be playing at a good level.
     
    For example, I didn't agree when the topic concerning Kayne Vincent was closed because it has been viewed more than 400 times by other persons so there is interest about this guy. He is playing today in Singapoure but he could also get to a higher level in the future...
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    "There will be a general catch all Young Kiwis Elsewhere for guys below first team football who are playing elsewhere in the World, or at more minor leagues overseas where they aren't threatening the All Whites."
    Thus post update in the yougn kiwis outside the UK.
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    I agree with abris. Kayne deserves that thread reopened
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    And let's get that thread with John Dow crackin again ;)
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    abris wrote:
    Another young kiwi playing in league two: goalkeeper Max Crocombe who plays for oxford united fc youth team and who is eligible for the U20 team
    He is currently injured as he just had a shoulder surgery
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    With lochhead out of the next AW'S friendlies Luke Rowe might get the call from Herbert pretty soon...
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    Jamie Doris wants world cup spot after broken leg.

    Story from the Nelson Weekly


    http://byphilliprollo.blogspot.com/2011/05/jamie-doris-eyes-fifa-under-20-world.html
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    According to the article on the front page, Cameron Howieson will be at Burnley next season as an apprentice.
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    Luke Rowe officially on the list of players being released by Birmingham.

    http://www.premierleague.com/staticFiles/14/79/0,,12306~162068,00.pdf
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    Greg Draper has signed for welsh premier league side TNS(the new saints) after scoring 15 goals last season with Basingstoke :
     
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    abris wrote:
    Greg Draper has signed for welsh premier league side TNS(the new saints) after scoring 15 goals last season with Basingstoke :
     


    Thats a bit of a demotion.  Yes TNS play in very early stages of European Cup comps but having watched both sides played, Basingstoke is probably the better side.
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    really? i aside that makes qualification games for euro cups vs a team in the 6th teir of english football?

    i havent seen either play, butthat is surprising
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    detoxin wrote:
    really? i aside that makes qualification games for euro cups vs a team in the 6th teir of english football?

    i havent seen either play, butthat is surprising


    Welsh League footie is just a bit bitter then the Northern League, equal to maybe the bottom couple of sides in the NZC.  Yeah Basingstoke are in the 6th tier but its arguably as good as the NZC.
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    Reading the article, he is going pro so that's not a bad thing as long as he picks up a real (long term) contract.
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    really? i aside that makes qualification games for euro cups vs a team in the 6th teir of english football?

    i havent seen either play, butthat is surprising

    FYI. TNS played Liverpool in the Champions league qualifying round the year after Liverpool won Big Ears.
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    Draper's team qualified to the second round after beating a northern ireland team. Now they will face former winston reid team fc midtjalland`
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    Howieson's signing now confirmed/official at Burnley. Here's a couple of links (Burnley Official site and Clarets Mad).

    Ironically (yes, Alanis), I just queried on a Burnley message board yesterday if anyone knew anything about the move, as nothing had reported from any Burnley source to that point in time. And wahoo.

    To put it into perspective none of the apprentice intake of two years ago got a professional contract (about 5 or 6 from memory). Usually 1 or 2 of about 6 per year make it beyond apprenticeship, although the attrition rate is pretty high beyond that. There are some very promising 2nd years at the club (been getting runs in the pre-season), and there has been a conscious shift to youth focus under new manager Eddie Howe. So not a bad environment for Cam.

    He'll have his work cut out, but good luck to him.
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    Didn't rate him at the U17's.
     
    Good speed, but needs to realy work on his touch and control.

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