Kiwi Players Elsewhere

Young Kiwis Outside the UK

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24 Mar 10:46

I forgot Clayton Lewis. It was hard for him to get that gig in England as he counts as an import

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24 Mar 19:07

Argie- wrote:

I forgot Clayton Lewis. It was hard for him to get that gig in England as he counts as an import

nah he got his English passport sorted before the move :) He wouldn't have been able to play at all if not for that, non-EU players can't play unless they have a special work permit and they meet certain requirements (something like playing in more than half of all your national team's games provided they're in the top 70 nations on the FIFA rankings)

24 Mar 20:00

mrsmiis wrote:

Argie- wrote:

I forgot Clayton Lewis. It was hard for him to get that gig in England as he counts as an import

nah he got his English passport sorted before the move :) He wouldn't have been able to play at all if not for that, non-EU players can't play unless they have a special work permit and they meet certain requirements (something like playing in more than half of all your national team's games provided they're in the top 70 nations on the FIFA rankings)

Didn't know that. Great for him then

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25 Mar 03:35

based on Instagram, it seems that Elijah Just is back at Ole.

25 Mar 06:56

Makes sense. Even if PEC signed him he can't move until he turns 18.

26 Mar 02:09

Pretty sure Kosta has a greek (EU) passport.


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26 Mar 02:16

reg22 wrote:

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Wynton Rufer - Switzerland via his dad. The rules were different back then, no EU so he and Shane could play in Switzerland as locals, but Wynton played in Germany as an import

Switzerland wasn't in the EU at that stage. He was an import in Germany as their rules wren't as tough as the UK, he had signed for Norwich but was unable to get a work visa so went to Switzerland instead

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31 Mar 15:34

reg22 wrote:

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Wynton Rufer - Switzerland via his dad. The rules were different back then, no EU so he and Shane could play in Switzerland as locals, but Wynton played in Germany as an import

Switzerland wasn't in the EU at that stage. He was an import in Germany as their rules wren't as tough as the UK, he had signed for Norwich but was unable to get a work visa so went to Switzerland instead

And still isn't, much like Norway.

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26 Jun 07:00

Few trials for young Kiwis in Europe that we can keep an eye on :)

Logan Rogerson - Carl Zeiss Jena (3rd tier in Germany)

Max Mata - Grasshopper (1st tier in Switzerland)

Leon van den Hoven - Waalwijk (2nd tier in Netherlands)

Moses Dyer - unknown club in Slovenia

26 Jun 07:11

Max Mata is the one with most promise IMO... considering he struggled at the NIX because of homesickness its a surprise he's over there.

Who is Hoven?

26 Jun 07:28

MetalLegNZ wrote:

Who is Hoven?

Eastern Suburbs kid, played a bit after signing from Auckland in January I think. Definitely a promising kid

26 Jun 08:49 · edited 26 Jun 08:53 · History

here's Leon van den Hovens send off by the Sacred Heart supporters at Bill McKinley after his last game for the school before leaving for Holland 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrY6-356wOA

27 Jun 23:50

How old is he?

28 Jun 01:31

18 last April

28 Jun 02:53

van der Hoven has been signed by Waalwijk - just seen on Phoenix twitter page.

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28 Jun 05:56

Watching him play for Easts I thought he was an excellent and well worth a place in a decent national league team. Vision, decision making and longer passing let him down some times, but man he's got so much time to sort that out and Easts were playing the game at a quick pace which probably made it a bit harder

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29 Jun 05:58

Confirmed!

https://wpss.org.nz/2018/06/28/van-den-hoven-takes-contract-holland/

Dutch guy, lives in the Netherlands, in an earlier life I was a Kiwi..

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05 Jul 01:12 · edited 05 Jul 01:21 · History

Sounds like FC Carl Zeiss Jena will make a decision on whether to sign Rogerson by the end of the week 

https://www.liga-drei.de/carl-zeiss-jena-entscheidung-ueber-rogerson-naht/

From another article

Jena. Logan Rogerson's chances of winning a contract with FC Carl Zeiss Jena are good. The 20-year-old made an impression during his trial training. "He shows good approaches to speed and technique, but still has to learn tactically. He is a very interesting perspective player, "says sporting director Kenny Verhoene. Together with coach Mark Zimmermann and CEO Chris Förster he wanted to discuss whether the outside striker gets a chance at the third division. "Crucial will be the joint assessment of how long it will take to help us in the third division." Rogerson has been playing since the training in Jena and will remain this week.
https://www.otz.de/web/zgt/sport/detail/-/specific/FC-Carl-Zeiss-Jena-Rogerson-hinterlaesst-guten-Eindruck-960096323
07 Jul 03:13

That "has to learn tactically" part is interesting. Something similar was said about Tyler Boyd in Portugal. Some deficiencies in the way our local top players are being coached?

08 Jul 02:12 · edited 08 Jul 02:12 · History

Rogerson starts in FC Carl Zeiss Jena's latest pre-season game vs FK Usti Nad Labem. They ended up winning 1-0

09 Jul 19:25

is this the same club as Hover?  How is Mata going?

09 Jul 20:57

Brilliant move for James. Got to wonder why he didn’t get more game time for Nix

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09 Jul 21:30

MetalLegNZ wrote:

is this the same club as Hover?  How is Mata going?

By the look of his Instagram he has played some preseason games with the first team.
09 Jul 21:50

RR wrote:

Looks like Kalezic provided him a reference? Article also refers to him as a left back. https://www.bd.nl/willem-ii/willem-ii-haalt-linksback-james-mcgarry-uit-nieuw-zeeland~a19a3de8/

Okay I don't speak Dutch. Is he officially signed or just trialling?

Article translates from Google as -

"Willem II welcomed James McGarry on the training field on Monday morning, reports the Brabants Dagblad. Twenty-year-old New Zealander was on the tribune on Saturday when the Tilburg team practiced against the Diessense Selection and the club hopes to complete the final formalities around the coming of the left back on Tuesday, after which it will be officially presented.The left back comes from Wellington Phoenix, where he worked under trainer Darije Kalezic. The Bosnian did not expect McGarry to be seen on the Dutch fields next season:

"Unusual that he will get a chance at the Eredivisie level. Because of injuries, I have not seen him at work so much. But it is a boy with a very good mentality, "he explains.Kalezic indicates that there are still a number of areas for improvement in McGarry's game: "He still has to learn how to make choices and his overview also needs to be improved", concludes the former trainer of De Graafschap and Roda JC Kerkrade. . McGarry has played two games for the main power of Wellington so far. On behalf of New Zealand he also participated in the Under-17 World Cup in 2017 and the Under-20 World Cup that was finished last year in India."

If he's signed is a great move. Willem II finished 13th in the Eredivisie (Dutch top flight last season).

09 Jul 21:57 · edited 09 Jul 21:59 · History

RKC Waalwijk finished 14th in the Erste Divisie (Durch 2nd tier) last season.

Mods perhaps you can set up individual posts now for both McGarry & Den Hoven.

Hard to remember this many young Kiwis all at once getting (or potentially getting) pro gigs in Europe - especially if Rogerson also gets signed.

09 Jul 22:03 · edited 09 Jul 22:12 · History

RR wrote:

This indicates Rogerson will be signed by FC Carl Zeiss Jena if he manages to get a work visa. Guessing he doesn't have a Euro passport? https://www.liga3-online.de/bericht-jena-vor-verpflichtung-von-testspieler-rogerson/

"For three weeks, the New Zealander Logan Rogerson participates in the training of FC Carl Zeiss Jena, now the striker should sign a contract. Whether Rogerson will then be used for the first team, should still be decided.Verhoene confirmedOn the weekend, there was the okay: As the "Bild" reports, FCC sports director Kenny Verhoene has now confirmed that auditioner Logan Rogerson will receive a contract in Jena.

The 20-year-old striker from New Zealand, who was last in the domestic A-League for Phoenix Wellington on the ball, had last presented for three weeks in training and probably left a lasting impression.Coordination with the foreigners authority

Now Jena wants to tie the attacker, but could then let him first in the second team in the league to use. Before that, however, some formalities would have to be agreed with the immigration authorities before a final sentence could be reported. With eleven games in the A-League (three goals) and nine appearances for the U20 national team of New Zealand Rogerson would bring despite his young age also international experience."

Carl Zeiss Jena, finished 11th in 3. Liga last season, 2 spots below Marinovic's old team Unterhaching.

Their home crowds seem to be in range of 5,000-10,000.

10 Jul 08:44 · edited 10 Jul 08:44 · History

van den Hoven got a run in opening day friendly game for Waalwijk (he's second bottom right) 

10 Jul 10:03 · edited 10 Jul 10:04 · History

Great to see he’s been thrown into the first team there.

Let’s not underestimate how well Max Mata’s doing either - he’s part of the first team training squad (second row far left), and will be lining up to play Zenit tomorrow!

10 Jul 17:48

Whats the story with Elijah Just?

10 Jul 19:47 · edited 11 Jul 00:05 · History

van den Hoven started in a friendly against Zulte Waregem (Belgian top flight, their starting line up included Belgian, French, Norwegian, Swedish and Finnish internationals, youth and senior ) played the first half, hit the bar according to this article.

https://www.bd.nl/dossier-eerste-divisie/gemotivee...

10 Jul 20:35 · edited 11 Jul 14:26 · History

Suurbier wrote:

van den Hoven started in a friendly against Zulte Waregem (Belgian top flight, their starting line up included Belgian, French, Norwegian, Swedish and Finnish youth internationals) played the first half, hit the bar according to this article.

https://www.bd.nl/dossier-eerste-divisie/gemotivee...

Has his own thread now

11 Jul 00:27 · edited 11 Jul 00:29 · History

JamesBo wrote:

Whats the story with Elijah Just?

Back at Wests.  He is (was) too young to make an international transfer.  Same situation as Calvin Harris for the WeeNix.

Did hear there was a professional club who'd like to have a chat with him that doesn't involve an international transfer but...

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11 Jul 08:57

That’s all exciting news really

12 Jul 01:01
15 Jul 05:20

Hard News wrote:

JamesBo wrote:

Whats the story with Elijah Just?

He's on crutches.

Miracle recovery during the week? He scored two for Wests today.
15 Jul 06:57

New recovery technique to protect those soon to be very valuable legs.

15 Jul 08:28

New recovery technique to protect those soon to be very valuable legs.

Or keep him away from Rudan's prying eyes?