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A- League Development - the 12th franchis

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A- League Development - the 12th franchis

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Interesting article, and slightly worrying in parts!
 
North Queensland look to be a disaster in the making already, and if Gold Coast can't get decent crowds on current form, when will they?
 
Does make you wonder how teams will survive.
 
I think Phoenix have a good chance this season, if we can keep up some good form, the crowds will come and we might breach that break even point (what is it? 10,000 per game?) regularly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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I totally agree with the bit about Melbourne Heart, I don't understand that concept at all.
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Seems bizarre to expect that a new team in Melbourne, based in exactly the same place as the other, well established, team in Melbourne are going to magically attract these new football fans along to games??
 
Unless there is some 'anti-Victory' sentiment in Melbourne? Is there?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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It's more anti-A-League than Anti Victory... don't think heart will change that.

There is a small dis-enfranchised group who have been alienated by the Victory, but the majority of non-Victory fans aren't going to support any A-League side.

I think the great hope would be people holding tickets to both sides.

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Hard News wrote:
It's more anti-A-League than Anti Victory... don't think heart will change that.

There is a small dis-enfranchised group who have been alienated by the Victory, but the majority of non-Victory fans aren't going to support any A-League side.

I think the great hope would be people holding tickets to both sides.
 
That would be bizarre I have to say.
 
Who would they support in the Melbourne derby?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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The ones I know would (almost) all be Victory fans but if they were away they would go and watch (not necessarily support) Heart.

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That's a brilliant business concept. Could not possibly fail.
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Indeed.  Up there with West Sydney where they have three or four bidders, none of whom appears blatantly viable so they delay decision amking (thereby possibly screwing Canberra) until oen of them is viable.

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To be honest, if I was involved with the Canberra bid I'd have given up and told FFA to fark off by now. They've been royally screwed just because FFA doesn't have the guts to tell them they don't want them in before a West Sydney side. Regardless of the differences in bids.
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Agreed, or they delay it until they can legally (backed by Bin Hamman) tell us to get lost and admit both.  I'm choosing not to be so cynical about it though. Hard News2009-08-26 16:20:41

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Steve-O wrote:
Hard News wrote:
It's more anti-A-League than Anti Victory... don't think heart will change that.

There is a small dis-enfranchised group who have been alienated by the Victory, but the majority of non-Victory fans aren't going to support any A-League side.

I think the great hope would be people holding tickets to both sides.
 
That would be bizarre I have to say.
 
Who would they support in the Melbourne derby?
 
Mmm.  Pyul-Toffees, ManU-City, Spurs-the other lot, Millwall-Hammers...
 

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

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Going back to Gold Coast and its troubles, the region has gone from having 0 professional sports franchises to 3 with a fourth to come next year in the space of 5 years. Everyone assumed it would have the market to cope, maybe it doesn't. In saying all that though, if I was within 2 or 3 hours of Robina I would be getting to watch GCU whenever I could because that is a fair bunch they have assembled there. (That hurt to say)

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I think it should be pointed out the FFA delayed confirming a Wellington franchise in the A-League until the 11th Hour so to speak, and thus we have the Phoenix today.

I also don't think a second Melbourne team could be viable without going back to that 'ethnic football' era the FFA wants to stay away from.

I think a second Sydney team and Canberra team would be a winner. Canberra have shown good support for the Brumbies, and I'm sure they'd do similar for an A-League side.
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HN, that is interesting.  If the Melbourne business plan is for people to watch and support both teams then they are more royally farked than I thougth they were.  These clubs survive because they have created that kind of feeling - even in a short space of time
 
 

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Hard News wrote:
Agreed, or they delay it until they can legally (backed by Bin Hamman) tell us to get lost and admit both.  I'm choosing not to be so cynical about it though.
 
Cynical or not, the idea of replacing the Nix with a Canberra team (even if it was in a slightly indirect manner) has been mooted in the football media more times than I feel comfortable with. If push comes to shove it's a solution the FFA could easily go with.
 
btw, excellent thought provoking article.
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To add some more colour, these are some comments from Michael Lynch in a web Q&A about the Heart.  Not sure that I buy it tbh...if youre not watching the Victory not sure you're suddnely going to start watching the Heart.

Cheers StopOut.  Didn't go near the Canberra replacing us stuff because it scares the hell out of me!
 

Hi Michael

Who is going to support the Heart? And surely it won't be enough?

The blind, the halt, the lame and the dispossesed..sorry, no, kidding.
I think the Heart will only need to pull an average of around 10,000 in its first season to be judged a success and I think there are enough football fans around to achieve that.
I think there will be some overflow of supporters, football fans rather than dyed in the wool Victory devotees, who will want to watch both clubs.
I feel there are some supporters who haven't taken to the Victory _ for whatever reason _ but now feel excluded from the A-League and will want to be a part of it.
And I think there could be some new fans drawn to the sport. Much will depend on how well the Heart markets itself, creates a different image and positions itself in a crowded marketplace.
I think if the Govenment sold Stadium Passes/Memberships, which enabled the holder to watch both Melbourne A-League clubs, the Storm and the Super 15 team a lot of supporters would climb on board.

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Hot topic at the moment...from the SMH
 

SYDNEY FC have told Football Federation Australia to delay its push to admit a 12th A-League team, in western Sydney, until the governing body can prove a sustainable financial model exists.

The Sky Blues have fought a continuing battle to win the hearts and minds of the city's sports fans since they arrived in 2005, though the momentum created by their stunning arrival - yielding a championship and record-breaking crowds - has not been sustained in subsequent years.

Despite this, the FFA remains committed to expanding into western Sydney as soon as possible, embedding the club before the AFL can plant a team in the region.

The FFA's board met on Monday night with the intention of awarding a licence to one of the three competing western Sydney bids but could not reach a satisfactory conclusion, instead holding over a decision until next month.

Sydney FC chief executive Stefan Kamasz applauded the decision, telling the Herald the introduction of a second team into the Sydney market could cause considerable problems if done at an inappropriate time.

''Down the track we believe it is beneficial for the game but what we've said to the FFA is that until the club can be feasible in all forms, we're not sure this is the right time,'' Kamasz said. ''As everyone knows, none of the clubs are making profits year in, year out. Central Coast and Melbourne might have made a small profit the year before last, but now everybody's losing money. That means the business isn't right yet.

''What we're saying is that once the business model is right, then it doesn't matter about [the negatives of] a second team, because there are lots of benefits. We're just concerned that if a team were to come in next year, it'd be too early.''

Sydney FC have tried to position themselves as a club for the entire Sydney region but the game's governing body would like to see the Sky Blues begin concentrating their efforts on aligning themselves with the southern, eastern and northern portions of the city. While the club remains committed to representing the whole of Sydney for now, they accept a second team would cause a natural shift in their marketing focus.

''We know it's an option and one we've already considered, but for now, because we're the the only team, we've chosen to continue spreading our tentacles right across Sydney,'' Kamasz said. ''We haven't condensed our community work and just concentrated on the north shore and the eastern suburbs and the southern districts. We need to continue to go out to the community because we know where our members come from and they're spread right over Sydney.''

Asked if he was worried about losing supporters to the new franchise, Kamasz said it was a legitimate concern. ''I'm quite sure there are people who have supported us in the past that may well become western Sydney supporters but that is why it's important for us to make sure we continue our community work across the city,'' he said.

''There may be some existing Sydney fans who choose to travel and watch the new team, whether they be based at Homebush or Parramatta or Penrith. But whether they continue to follow us, I'm not sure. We'll only know in time.''

However, Kamasz is convinced that a major benefit of having second team in the area would be the resulting derby matches. ''The three games between the two Sydney teams will be blockbusters, I've got absolutely no doubt about that in my mind,'' he said. ''There's no doubt the cross-city rivalry will be terrific for the code when it does happen.''

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James Dean

Surprising but not unexpected.. SFC have failed in a city with over 175, 000 players to get  fans .. they should sell out each week ...

Imagine 175, 000 players...  12 former NSL teams... home of about 40% of the Socceroos ... yet they totally stuffed up the marketing ... the location of the side and many things that have been talked about...

A well run WS team would cream them... crowds wise ... also do the FFA totally trust old NSL fol in the WS bid ....... HMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmm

Time will tell .... but very very interesting....

BTW great article JD & Fev ... I just posted it on the Mariners Site & MV site for reaction ... you beat everyone to this news ... great pick up...
Midfielder2009-08-27 03:47:48

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http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/football/young-socceroos-add-six-fc-players-to-squad/2009/08/24/1251001857700.html

Meanwhile, Football Federation Australia's board met last night to decide on the fate of a 12th potential A-League team.

Bids from western Sydney, Canberra and Wollongong were all considered, though the Herald understands that a second Sydney team remains highest on the league's agenda.


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For those who are interested in this topic, a further update.  Looks like the West Sydney bid is all up the wop and Canberra (who always presented the best bid overall) are now the front runner.  This really is a bit of a shambles
 
 
For those of you coming into this discussion later, have a read of the blog posted by Feverish to start this topic and let us know what you think

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I think it is stupid that the West Sydney bid, like the Melbourne Heart bid, are trying to appeal to such a wide audience. One of best things about the Wellington Phoenix is the 'Wellington'. I think it does create a sense of tribalism which is what creates a community and fan base around the club.

And in that article they quote how quick  GC, Fury and us were set up... please ~6 months before the Phoenix kicked a ball we weren't even an idea in Terry's head. GC had already snaked Smeltz off us ~12months before this season kicked off. We did an amazing job to set up a club in such a short space of time.
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I totally agree. We had very little time and did create a good entertaining squad. More time should be given though because we want these teams to be generally bringing in quality players to build up the strength of the league rather than spreading the talent.

NQF had enough time to get North as marquee, then lose him. Then get Fowler. Hopefully each new squad can create a buzz and a general interest so that us current fans will want to watch the new teams.


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Jeezus, just give the bid to Canberra, case closed!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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You would think so, but FFA really want a West Sydney team in there first. It's becoming farcical.
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There is a difficult decision here.  A succesful West Sydney bid could easily make Sydney FC the second team in the city, and the rivalry would be great for the league.  Plus there is the AFL thing which although the deny it, is a big deal for the FFA.
 
But at some point it has to be about the bid - Auckland was the logical choice for the NZ team but that didn't work.   I go back to the original point I made in my blog, the FFA don't seem to be making these decisions for the good of the league in the long term, they're looking to expand rapidly and I'm not sure that the league, or these proposed franchises are ready for it.

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Ah, Canberra is enough of a 'derby' for Sydney anyway, just give them the franchise!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Steve-O wrote:
Ah, CanberraWollongong is enough of a 'derby' for Sydney anyway, just give them the franchise!


If only...
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West Sydney bids have until the end of the month to sort things out...and it seems that Canberra might not have the funding in place jst yet
 
 
And why can't a decent West Sydney bid be sorted out?  Are these guys the best they can find to be involved?
 
 
As we now know, this bid was using Michael McGurk to find the money. McGurk, variously described as a loan shark and a standover man, was shot dead in the driveway of his Cremorne home last week.
 
Major reservations about this - patently the bid isn't ready so why not delay a year to make it work properly??
james dean2009-09-09 02:45:54

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Just give a license to Christcurch. that would make the league far more intersting :)
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

im thinking of a new team called the auckland knights

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Auckland Pride, playing for any possible scrap of dignity they may have left.
You know we belong together...

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