Everton "haka"

Everton "haka"

All inappropriate cultural appropriation arguments aside --- Do the Toffee's realise how god-damn cheesy  the whole thing is?! What absolute F#*KING  marketing genius came up with that?! Did Everton FC actually pay good money to some sh*te ad company for that cess pit of a campaign?! They could have used the cash and bought another player!

I really don't see what all the fuss is about, it would be no worse then us kiwis putting on some thing from South America or what ever.

AND unlike what the article says, there is ABSOLUTELY NO SIGNS that there has been any change to the lyrics.

I personally recon its good kudos, spreading a bit of kiwi culture in a part of the UK where rugby simply does not exits.

I'm sorry?? No change??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4o2bLb9f_E

Doesn't sound like any haka I know. Do you mean no change in lyrics from the original Everton anthem?

I don't like seeing any haka, especially  'Ka Mate' (as that seems to be the most recognisable), being used and abused inappropriately. That includes the drunken hordes of young Kiwi backpackers in Europe.

Technically this performance hasn't appropriated any known haka. It's a made up one.

But the whole idea is extremely F'ing tacky!  How is that a good way of spreading "kiwi" culture?
matty.j2009-08-12 01:09:02

Leave haka where it belongs - on the marae and in other culturally appropriate settings. Everything else (including the All Black hakas) is just cringeworthy.

Twas very funny seeing Temuwera (Sp?) Morrison's eulogy to the 'Hairy Man' vis a vis Ka Mate, on C4 the other night.

On that note Everton will look like c**ts HarryHotspur2009-08-12 09:34:44

The thing that annoys me is if this gets global attention it will be along the lines of various Iwi wanting to get paid for its use, like they tried to sue Lego for using Maori cultural references in its toys.

It's cultural bastardisation - it's one thing referencing something, another ripping it off/stealing.

PS.
Of course you realise that Italians and Greeks want to have all their stuff back that had been 'taken' by the so-called archaelogists in the 19th century...

Elgin...a place in Scotland, no?

And the Maoris are doing the same. but thats tangible artifacts and quantifiable, what i don't agree is Maori putting a monetary value on their cultural identity as if to say, yes you do what you want with it, if you give us enough money. UberGunner2009-08-12 10:28:46

Well if Everton can do it, wonder if the nix can?

I refuse to take your bait!

Maori and all cultures have the right to criticise and seek redress where cultural values are seen to be impinged.
It depends on your view point.
Some people don't care
Some see it as a piss-take, good for a laff,
some see it as cultural misappropriation, insulting
some as commercial marketing opportunity, with cringe/controversy value for longer life.

At one level this issue is also Maori v Maori.
The performers themselves are apparently Maori, possibly a professional troupe or perhaps Kiwis on OE, just looking to make a crust.
This culture/commercialisation debate has been discussed among Maori for ages, and everyone has different opinions.

Personally, I think  its a cynical use of haka to attract and sustain attention on the part of Everton FC. shame

Of course you can expect, at a regional or national kapa-haka competition in the not-too-distant future, a new haka of protest with the words  (translated into NZEnglish for your convenience)


 "Everton, oh Everton!   "Tasteless" Toffees that you are!

 Get in your waka and get here soon, instead of sniping from afar.

 You Dingos from Domingos, time to stop your silly farce,

Time to meet the Nix at our Ring Of Fire

Where they'll kick you up the......  "


Now that's a marketing opportunity, Tony P  !!
 next year. ROF. be there.



I think we're on the same page, Fire.


RedGed2009-08-12 12:06:39

Whatever people think of the whole thing, you can always let the company responsible know how you feel. They are an English PR company known as 'Mere PR' (ironic name,that).
You can email them at:
pr@mere.co.uk
   or
suzie@mere.co.uk

 Armed and dangerous, wero or not they realise it! 

Think we have a right to say something about it because I'd find it quite offensive if they did perform the wrong words

Possessions don't need to be tangible to be valued.el grapadura2009-08-12 20:24:18

Love it. It should replace the current All Black haka imo.