Football vs Rugby..again(yawn)

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Mis-information is what I'm on about & it's being spread by both camps. With NRL it's more the radio/Sports rag journos but yeah with AFL it's the actual body.
Interesting to see how this all plays out.
I've heard the use of phrases like "Football's Trojan Horse" being used to describe AFL & NRL's concern of a World Cup in Australia.

"Sharing rewards the weak"- Steven Colbert

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Yet another rugby reference in a football story.

Craig Stanaway on tonight's sports news, reporting on the champions league said "two weeks ago it was the all blacks now its...."

Why in every major sports story does our media have to throw an all black reference in???

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Must be part of their contract.

Three for me, and two for them.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

My email to Craig.

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Hello in regards to your item on the Champions League December 9th on TVNZ sports news.

Why is it that you felt need to add in a All Black reference in a Football story?

I have notice over the years that whenever there is a big sports story TVNZ feels

the need to add in a rugby Union reference, it doesnt matter if the sport is Football,Basketball, Track or field, etc etc, TVNZ has to throw in a Rugby Reference.

Why is that??

Does the NZRFU pay you guys to throw Rugby references in non Rugby stories.

Its really annoying, and I hope in 2010 you guys will stop the practise.

But I'm not holding out hope.

brettdale2009-12-09 21:23:13

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

good on you, brettdale, for having a bash

interestingly (perhaps .. or not) the last times i've emailed the media about football stuff

TV3 = fair and thoughful response

Radio NZ = fair thoughtful response and some action

TV 1 = nothing

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

brettdale wrote:

My email to Craig.<>

Hello in regards to your item on the Champions
League December 9th on TVNZ sports news.

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Why is it that you felt need to add in a All Black
reference in a Football story?

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I have notice over the years that whenever there is
a big sports story TVNZ feels

the need to add in a rugby Union reference, it
doesnt matter if the sport is Football,Basketball, Track or field,ï¿½ etc etc, TVNZ has to
throw in a Rugby Reference.

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Why is that??

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Does the NZRFU pay you guys to throw Rugby
references in non Rugby stories.

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Its really annoying, and I hope in 2010 you guys
will stop the practise.

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But I'm not holding out hope.

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I feel the same. Good on you. Let us know if you get a reply?

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

bringbacksmeltz wrote:

Leggy wrote:

bringbacksmeltz wrote:

Country Population # of Registered Rugby Players England 60,094,648 634,460 South Africa 42,768,678ï¿½ï¿½ ï¿½361,302 France 60,180,529 252,638 Australia 19,731,984 ï¿½ï¿½ 140,000 Japan 127,214,499 129,626 New Zealand 3,951,307 121,928 Fiji 868,531 60,000 Wales 2,900,000 ï¿½ï¿½ 59,900 Argentina 38,740,807 57,000 Ireland 3,924,140 53,500 Italy 57,998,353 ï¿½ 39,856 USA 290,342,554 37,429 Canada 32,207,113 ï¿½ï¿½ 16,500 Tonga 108,141 15,000 Samoa 178,173 14,263 Scotland 5,100,000 13,721 Namibia 1,927,447 11,500 Romania 22,271,839 ï¿½ï¿½ 4,500 Uruguay 3,413,329 2,692 Georgia 4,934,413 1,410

here are some much more realistic numbers guys. That 2mill figure for england sounds like a bad marketing scam. anyways i exagerated a little there 6 counties with over 100k

these are registered players too, not guys whoï¿½toss the ball round at lunch and are used to make numbers more impressive

That figure for Oz is wrong, It is only about 70000.

says who? wikipedia. my source is as reputable as the next mate

Mine is from the Oz Department of stastics

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

A while back:

"NZs greatest ever scientific discover was made today,a dinosaur footprint rarer than a wales victory over the all blacks was found..etc"

Allegedly

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

lets not be too petty - it's just a standard cultural reference. rugby is a touchpoint for many comparisons in NZ

Normo's coming home

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

brettdale wrote:

My email to Craig.

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Hello in regards to your item on the Champions League December 9th on TVNZ sports news.

Why is it that you felt need to add in a All Black reference in a Football story?

I have notice over the years that whenever there is a big sports story TVNZ feels

the need to add in a rugby Union reference, it doesnt matter if the sport is Football,Basketball, Track or field, etc etc, TVNZ has to throw in a Rugby Reference.

Why is that??

Does the NZRFU pay you guys to throw Rugby references in non Rugby stories.

Its really annoying, and I hope in 2010 you guys will stop the practise.

But I'm not holding out hope.

Craig's reply to my letter.

Hi Brett

Thanks for your email.

I appreciate your point of view but from my perspective it is all bit petty.

We have to cater for as wider audience as possible. The game you were talking about was between Real Madrid and Marseille. The majority of viewers would have been familiar with Ronaldo and no one else. The story is being transmitted to a New Zealand audience, many of whom would be thinking ï¿½ why are we watching this game when itï¿½s not English football

To infer we are ï¿½in the pocketï¿½ of the NZRU is quite frankly insulting.

Kind Regards

Craig

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

brettdale wrote:

My email to Craig.

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Hello in regards to your item on the Champions League December 9th on TVNZ sports news.

Why is it that you felt need to add in a All Black reference in a Football story?

I have notice over the years that whenever there is a big sports story TVNZ feels

the need to add in a rugby Union reference, it doesnt matter if the sport is Football,Basketball, Track or field, etc etc, TVNZ has to throw in a Rugby Reference.

Why is that??

Does the NZRFU pay you guys to throw Rugby references in non Rugby stories.

Its really annoying, and I hope in 2010 you guys will stop the practise.

But I'm not holding out hope.

Craig's reply to my letter.

Hi Brett

Thanks for your email.

I appreciate your point of view but from my perspective it is all bit petty.

We have to cater for as wider audience as possible. The game you were talking about was between Real Madrid and Marseille. The majority of viewers would have been familiar with Ronaldo and no one else. The story is being transmitted to a New Zealand audience, many of whom would be thinking ï¿½ why are we watching this game when itï¿½s not English football

To infer we are ï¿½in the pocketï¿½ of the NZRU is quite frankly insulting.

Kind Regards

Craig

Because it's better?

Three for me, and two for them.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Oh well, here is what I have written back to him.

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Hello, Thankyou for replying to my message.

Yes I agree, that line about the NZRFU is a bit out of line.

Although I don't think my complaint was petty.

It seems to be a weekly occurance that in Non Rugby stories

a Rugby reference is thrown in.

It doesn't add anything to the particular story of the night.

I just hope and wish the practise won't continue in 2010, in

my opinion it doesn't need to be done.

brettdale2009-12-10 10:05:38

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Brett, it is very, very petty.

NZ Audiences relate to rugby. Fact.

All he is doing is relating to his audience.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

There is a pattern though and its weekly.

In a basketball story you dont have to say "Basketball answer to Johan Lomu, Shaquille O'Neal"

I never really took notice of it, until 1999 and for some reason this story stuck in my head.

TVNZ did a report on the All Whites at the confederations Cup in 1999, and the item was about our game against the USA and how the Mexican fans were cheering on New Zealand , well they started their report by saying,

"With this many people cheering on New Zealand you would think the All Blacks are playing"

How about the start of the 2006 world cup, when Tony Vietch said "normally the worlds attention would be on the all blacks"

There is no need for this type of reporting, its just too much of a common occurance.

Its poor reporting.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I'm with Brett on this one.

Brett

Three for me, and two for them.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Cool, thanks.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Ridiculousy petty and does your cause or credibility no good at all

www.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Might be in the minority, but I can totally see the point of tying a football story in with a rugby reference. Rugby is the major sport (whether we like it or not), mention the 'R' word and it might draw people's attention to a story they otherwise wouldn't give a sh*t about.

Don't really have a problem with it, the AB's are normally the one's getting the worldwide publicity, so surely it's a compliment for a reporter to suggest that the AWs are taking the spotlight off them.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

No other country does it though, when i lived in Australia, they didn't start football stories with a cricket reference.

The USA media doesn't throw in baseball references to stories that aren't about baseball.

I'm pretty sure the English media don't throw in football references to stories that aren't about football.

Its not just sport also, it seems like everything has to have a rugby reference.

It added nothing to the story last night to say "Two weeks ago the all blacks played here"

Just for argument sake, say the Warriors or the Blackcaps played a match there, do you think TVNZ would of said anything, of course not, they are looking for any rugby link they can to any story.

Just wait till 2010 during the commenwealth games, the winter olympics, the football world cup and the basketball world champs.

They will somehow try to connect, Rugby, the all blacks, or Lomu with these events and that is poor Journalism IMHO.
brettdale2009-12-10 11:53:11

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

You are not in another country, this is New Zealand.

www.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I think he's a bit under rating footballs appeal in this country. Everyone knows who Real Madrid are and a lot of their players

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I think there are bigger fish to fry. At this point I'm happy to see coverage, even if they drop in an AB's ref

14/11/09

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Yes I have figured that out.

But believe me its going to be way worse in 2010.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Basically, it's the same problem that afflicts the English media come every World Cup. Some of my mates run a sweepstake on how many times 1966 will be mentioned between the time that England qualify and the time the tournament is finished.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

brettdale wrote:

No other country does it though, when i lived in Australia, they didn't start football stories with a cricket reference.The USA media doesn't throw in baseball references to stories that aren't about baseball.I'm pretty sure the English media don't throw in football references to stories that aren't about football.Its not just sport also, it seems like everything has to have a rugby reference.It added nothing to the story last night to say "Two weeks ago the all blacks played here"Just for argument sake, say the Warriors or the Blackcaps played a match there, do you think TVNZ would of said anything, of course not, they are looking for any rugby link they can to any story.Just wait till 2010 during the commenwealth games, the winter olympics, the football world cup and the basketball world champs.They will somehow try to connect, Rugby, the all blacks, or Lomu with these events and that is poor Journalism IMHO.

I am also with you on this one. Good on you mate.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

brettdale wrote:

My email to Craig.

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Hello in regards to your item on the Champions League December 9th on TVNZ sports news.

Why is it that you felt need to add in a All Black reference in a Football story?

I have notice over the years that whenever there is a big sports story TVNZ feels

the need to add in a rugby Union reference, it doesnt matter if the sport is Football,Basketball, Track or field, etc etc, TVNZ has to throw in a Rugby Reference.

Why is that??

Does the NZRFU pay you guys to throw Rugby references in non Rugby stories.

Its really annoying, and I hope in 2010 you guys will stop the practise.

But I'm not holding out hope.

Craig's reply to my letter.

Hi Brett

Thanks for your email.

I appreciate your point of view but from my perspective it is all bit petty.

To infer we are ï¿½in the pocketï¿½ of the NZRU is quite frankly insulting.

Kind Regards

Craig

a few quick points - if someone (truly) appreciates a point of view - it is then inconsistent to call that point of view "petty"

re the "inference"

BrettD did not "infer" anything: he "implied" something - Mr Stanaway must have missed that point if/when he attended journo school

interestingly he also doesn't answer the question? (yes, i know it's unlikely - but so was "Payola" )- perhaps he was too insulted by his own inference

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I agree the NZRU line about being in their pocket was way petty,and probably set the tone for your entire email,so he chose not to answer. I say fair enough.

But i do get what you're trying to say,it is annoying and pretty needless.

Allegedly

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Pedant alert!

Should have been " cater for as wide an audience as possible" not 'as wider'!

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

between us, Jag, we could learn him properer English

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

....between us, tigers, we could probably manage to speak it!

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Tegal wrote:

I agree the NZRU line about being in their pocket was way petty,and probably set the tone for your entire email,so he chose not to answer. I say fair enough.

But i do get what you're trying to say,it is annoying and pretty needless.

Brett didn't use a line about being "in the pocket" of the Rugby Union. That was invented and attributed to him by Craig.

What actually happened in that exchange is that Brett asked if journalists were paid to advertise rugby. Craig refused to answer the question.

Make of that what you will.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I think thats what he meant. Same thing really.

Allegedly

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

He still really didnt give a good explanation for why rugby is mentioned a lot in non rugby stories.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Was probably too offended.

Allegedly

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Brett D:Does the NZRFU pay you guys to throw Rugby references in non Rugby
Reply:ï¿½ The game you were talking about was between Real Madrid and Marseille.ï¿½ The majority of viewers would have been familiar with Ronaldo and no one else.ï¿½ The story is being transmitted to a New Zealand audience, many of whom would be thinking ï¿½ why are we watching this game when itï¿½s not English football. To infer we are ï¿½in the pocketï¿½ of the NZRU is quite frankly insulting.
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Semantics really and wrong location too. I would have said back flap but not for the money. Either way journos should not fall in love or get in to bed with the newsmakers.
Also does he really believe the public are that thick?
Either way, poor journalism.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Well Crusaders took a leaf from AW match against Bahrain and have reduced there tickets for Super 14 2010 by 60%

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I understand what the reporter was saying, i do not like it, but agree.

They need to make the story accessible to a wide as possible audience. Unfortunately they have to worry about readership and making a profit. Until the general public becomes more aware of football this will continue to happen.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

But its constant and not just with football, you dont need to say "Basketball answer to Johan Lomu, Shaquille Oneal"

You dont need to say "With this many people watching you would think the all blacks are playing"

You dont need to ask russian tennis players "have you heard of Lomu"

You dont need to ask Hamish Carter "what super 12 team do you support"

You dont have to ask basketballer players in our national league "Your big, how come you dont play rugby?"

There is a huge pattern over the years with throwing in rugby references in non rugby stories and it has nothing to do with helping out the public or making the story more accessiable.

Its like these guys have chips on their shoulder and are thin skinned and dont want any other sport to be in the spot light.

If ya think im wearing a tinfoil hat, just wait till the halbergs, when they give team of the year to the southland rugby team.

brettdale2009-12-14 13:47:12

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Yes because Rugby teams so often win at the Halbergs, you really are an absolute numpty