The latest from the the front page - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/soccer-football/news/article.cfm?c_id=86&objectid=10632456
I agree. Unncesseary on the government's part and unstrategic on NZF's part.
Marius Lacatus2010-03-17 09:13:40
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Unstrategic? So, when the Government said "do you want some free money", NZF should have said "no thanks"?
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This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads
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Unstrategic? So, when the Government said "do you want some free money", NZF should have said "no thanks"?
This seems to be ad hoc (as Glading said they didnt even ask for "media" money), it doesnt appear to fit with any long-term plan, its a very small amount really and has been granted at a time NZF needs it least - yet it could make it more difficult for the sport to access public funds in the future. So, no, I dont think they should have taken this particular "free money" (at least the media component, i can probably live with the rest of it but it still seems a very unconvincing leveraging of the World Cup).
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Yeah let's take the moral high ground instead and turn our nose up at their money.
Sure it's only a gesture, but good for them let's take it.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Sounds to me like sour grapes, jealous, and scared that Football may start to get it's act together ...
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A further article: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/soccer-football/news/article.cfm?c_id=86&objectid=10632394
I think this perspective is better for NZF.
"The Government had approached New Zealand Football about ways it could help World Cup preparations, and the organisation responded with the three proposals, he said."
The three being:
"Prime Minister John Key yesterday announced Cabinet had decided to give $300,000 to New Zealand Football's World Cup campaign, to hire a temporary media manager, improve its website and run one-off football leadership camps around the country."
Basically, Key wanted to look good (think of helping out with the dispute between Peter Hillary and the Auckland Museum and the "resolution" for whaling a few months back, for other examples of theis behaviour from this govt) and NZF said, sure, here's how you can help.
If it causes a backlash, though, it may be bad for NZF's funding in future. They shoudn't need the help, unless SPARC chips in for high-performance.
14/11/09
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The mens team received $250K toward qualifying in 2009 but nothing in 2008, 2007, or 2006. At least, not in SPARC's high performance funding according to its press releases. NZFC is receiving money from FIFA now that it's qualified. Not, you know, when it was one of those organisations that could do with the money the NZH editorial was on about.
New Zealand is at the biggest sporting event in the world and there has been little investment by authorities. Contrast this with the giant rugby ball Tourism NZ plonked in France during the RWC for two weeks in 2007. That cost $907,000. Used again in London in 2008 while the All Blacks were merely touring. $1.7M. You can throw in use in Tokyo without a rugby team supporting it for another $2.7M. It will be used in the lead up to the 2011 debacle also.
$300,000 for a few media mangers, website improvements, and token activities to aid in getting repeating WC qualification in the future is worth it for, you know, exposure of NZ at the biggest sporting event in the world? Bargain.
Key & Co. may be bandwagoners (hell, I'm one) but the old football chant applies to the editorial, SPARC, and the government equally: 'Where were you when we were sh*t?'
For accuracy it might read 'more sh*t', but the point stands.*KR*2010-03-17 11:19:34
New Zealand is at the biggest sporting event in the world and there has been little investment by authorities. Contrast this with the giant rugby ball Tourism NZ plonked in France during the RWC for two weeks in 2007. That cost $907,000. Used again in London in 2008 while the All Blacks were merely touring. $1.7M. You can throw in use in Tokyo without a rugby team supporting it for another $2.7M. It will be used in the lead up to the 2011 debacle also.
$300,000 for a few media mangers, website improvements, and token activities to aid in getting repeating WC qualification in the future is worth it for, you know, exposure of NZ at the biggest sporting event in the world? Bargain.
Key & Co. may be bandwagoners (hell, I'm one) but the old football chant applies to the editorial, SPARC, and the government equally: 'Where were you when we were sh*t?'
For accuracy it might read 'more sh*t', but the point stands.*KR*2010-03-17 11:19:34
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And this was a free photo op! Probably didn't even need the 300 k that is a bit politically risky given cuts to health, education etc etc
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I think the article in NZH was poorly written to start with, making a point that $300,000 is a waste of money going to NZF but somehow millions upon millions were spent on some f**ken boat racing. Possibly the govt should have said $100,000 a year over the next four years to help with preperation for this WC and build up to qualifying for Brasil.
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p.s Marius,cant you move threads between forums instead of locking them and creating a new one yourself?
Allegedly
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Unstrategic? So, when the Government said "do you want some free money", NZF should have said "no thanks"?
This seems to be ad hoc (as Glading said they didnt even ask for "media" money), it doesnt appear to fit with any long-term plan, its a very small amount really and has been granted at a time NZF needs it least - yet it could make it more difficult for the sport to access public funds in the future. So, no, I dont think they should have taken this particular "free money" (at least the media component, i can probably live with the rest of it but it still seems a very unconvincing leveraging of the World Cup).
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p.s Marius,cant you move threads between forums instead of locking them and creating a new one yourself?
you have to move posts individually
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p.s Marius,cant you move threads between forums instead of locking them and creating a new one yourself?
you have to move posts individually
Fiction.
Click on "ADMIN" at the top of the page on the right hand side and look closely.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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The Americas Cup spend was unquestionably a much bigger waste of money than this, no argument.
I feel undignified as a football fan that the game's governing body has accepted public funds for a world cup media manager (translation: PR guy) and website upgrade. That is NZF core business, and there is only the most tenuous of claims to any wider public good/benefit. Why not ask the government to pay for WC accommodation, or training kit or the physio?
I'd like to think that NZF has come far enough and put itself on a sufficiently robust commerical footing during the past couple of years not to put its hand out for any token lolly on offer. In my opinion, it undermines credibility and it will count against the game securing funds for more worthy initiatives in the future (if we were talking about millions of dollars that may be an acceptable trade-off for NZF, but not for tens of thousands).
I look forward to being just as cynical about other unjustifiable handouts to other sports.
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p.s Marius,cant you move threads between forums instead of locking them and creating a new one yourself?
you have to move posts individually
Fiction.
Click on "ADMIN" at the top of the page on the right hand side and look closely.
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Up yours Herald. $30 million on boats. Good for your yuppie mates. That is all. A few cents on football for the world's biggest sporting tournament. About bloody time.
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300k frm the govt towards supporting the All Whites is a token gesture whn you consider thats how much is being spent on that stupid rugby sculpture. The All Whites qualifying has already galvanised thousands of people. SPARC and other sporting bodies are always trying to get people into activity and/or sports and I'm sure that many people decided to play after getting caught up in the excitement of the Bahrain game not to mention all the Phoenix hype so its prob saved untold amount of advertising dollars not to mention the viewing audience of the World Cup is huge so thats saving the tourism dept money or least giving them a bigger bang for the bucks
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The whole issue about people complaining on $300K is laughable. While it might not be going towards getting footballs for kids in schools, it's still money NZF could really use.
I don't buy this arguement that NZF shouldn't accept it.
I don't buy this arguement that NZF shouldn't accept it.
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The Herald is certainly no friend of football. Just one example, they had a poll recently. "Should sissy game soccer be called football". A couple of thousand votes. Yes 65%. No 35%.
They ignored it.
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I couldn't see Kevin Rudd in a Brisbane Roar shirt, not even a Broncos one for that matter.
That's a fair pic whoever took it.
Dumb Question: Is the NZ PM based in Wellington all year round, or does he commute between Wello and his "home" base for Parliament sittings?
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I can't believe that anyone would object to any extra government funding for their sport. The Australian Govt chucks millions at football in Oz...
The NZF had a specific request in reply from a govt approach. Better web site and training for a heap of kids....jeez, how can you complain about funding for that.
Regarding the money for a media guy...I don't think people realise quite how big the WC is and how big the media circus is that follows the event. There were over 300 journo's at the AW'S Mexico game. NZ will be part of the maelstrom in SA. We need someone to facilitate the media interactions...otherwise we will look like a bunch of amateurs.
The govt has realised that football is a bigger deal in NZ and they want some reflected glory. Same deal when the Wellington mayor Prendigast turned up to toss the coin at the Nix playoff match in front of 33,000. This was the same Mayor who said last year....I am not into football...rugby is my thing.
Its just how the real world of politics works....we should just take the money.
Key said the Rugby WC is going to cost the taxpayer in excess of 300 million....you don't hear to many rugby supporters saying that " we should not take state money for what is essentially a commercial event"
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Because some people can see beyond their self-interest?
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I understand the FIFA money is not coming to NZ Football till after the tournament in installments- that's always the way these things work. FIFA can't pay out money yet before it comes in during the tournament in ticket sales, merchandising etc. although the big TV deals are all done.
FIFA also only pays for the team's costs once in South Africa- not for the build-up!
So money is still needed to pay for flying players in for training camps and friendlies in both hemispheres from Melbourne to Slovenia.
The temporary Media Manager will be much needed- they will have to deal with the Italian media which is the most intense in the world (far worse than the notorious British tabloids etc.), possibly even foreign film crews visiting NZ (Brazilian crews visited NZ before the 1982 tournament).
Big Pete 65, Christchurch
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I understand that some of the goals for this money is based on discussions with Aussie and what they found were difficulties for them at the last tournament. By this is just a greta big bandwagon jump as the article points out. The football camps are a load of crap, we don't need to encourage more kids to play the game, we need to give them somewhere to play. We don't need to identify the best 17 and 18 year olds, we need to find the best 13 and 14 year olds and have programmes in place that keep them in the game and train them properly. And we need coaches who understand the game, what is required to produce players on international quality.
All of this is window dressing, the 8m from the cup is far more important than this paltry 300k which is actually a little insulting. Football is one of the biggest participation sports in the country and one of the fastest growing yet receives very little comparitively
james dean2010-03-18 01:55:59Normo's coming home
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I can't believe that anyone would object to any extra government funding for their sport. The Australian Govt chucks millions at football in Oz...
You've highlighted my objection right there. The Australian Govt chucks millions at football because they understand the profile it gets. Eggball and Snail boat racing should get a paltry 300k each and football should get millions...
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The Americas Cup spend was unquestionably a much bigger waste of money than this, no argument.
I feel undignified as a football fan that the game's governing body has accepted public funds for a world cup media manager (translation: PR guy) and website upgrade. That is NZF core business, and there is only the most tenuous of claims to any wider public good/benefit. Why not ask the government to pay for WC accommodation, or training kit or the physio?
I'd like to think that NZF has come far enough and put itself on a sufficiently robust commerical footing during the past couple of years not to put its hand out for any token lolly on offer. In my opinion, it undermines credibility and it will count against the game securing funds for more worthy initiatives in the future (if we were talking about millions of dollars that may be an acceptable trade-off for NZF, but not for tens of thousands).
I look forward to being just as cynical about�other unjustifiable handouts to other sports.
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My personal view is along these lines. I have no doubt that if I was offered a huge sum of money I would take it. So why wouldn't NZF?
However I'd prefer taxes to be used for more public good activities and not to prop up various sporting codes. In this respect football is the least of my concerns (eggball and yachting are orders of magnitude greater).
"Phoenix till they lose"
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The Americas Cup spend was unquestionably a much bigger waste of money than this, no argument.
I feel undignified as a football fan that the game's governing body has accepted public funds for a world cup media manager (translation: PR guy) and website upgrade. That is NZF core business, and there is only the most tenuous of claims to any wider public good/benefit. Why not ask the government to pay for WC accommodation, or training kit or the physio?
I'd like to think that NZF has come far enough and put itself on a sufficiently robust commerical footing during the past couple of years not to put its hand out for any token lolly on offer. In my opinion, it undermines credibility and it will count against the game securing funds for more worthy initiatives in the future (if we were talking about millions of dollars that may be an acceptable trade-off for NZF, but not for tens of thousands).
I look forward to being just as cynical about other unjustifiable handouts to other sports.
My personal view is along these lines. I have no doubt that if I was offered a huge sum of money I would take it. So why wouldn't NZF?
However I'd prefer taxes to be used for more public good activities and not to prop up various sporting codes. In this respect football is the least of my concerns (eggball and yachting are orders of magnitude greater).
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