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As we are shown out of the lift and admire the expansive views from Terry Serepisos� new waterfront offices it all feels somewhat surreal. Two months ago professional football in New Zealand was dead and buried. Now, out of the offices of this Wellington property developer, a new football team is being created from scratch. At the centre of it all sits Ricki Herbert. Charged with restoring footballing credibility to a New Zealand franchise backed by long suffering but demanding fans, he�s already well on the way to signing half of the 23 man squad he will prepare to take on the Aussies.
As we are ushered through busy open plan workspaces to the converted meeting room which serves as home base for the Phoenix management, the magnitude of the task at hand begins to become apparent. Every detail associated with a football club needs to be put in place, from a kit man to a CEO, and at the moment multitasking is very much the order of the day. Luckily, Herbert is always keen to share his insight into football in New Zealand and gave us his views on the pressing issues in our game.
One thing is clear with Herbert, he understands that this team needs success both on and off the field in order to continue. He describes the process of putting together a squad in these circumstances as �unique� but there is a clear direction to the recruitment process.
�With Liverpool, Manchester United or Chelsea people relate very quickly to what that team looks like from a product point of view - as opposed to Watford or Sheffield United�.
�We want to play football that makes the supporters proud. We don�t want a one dimensional, long ball, run and chase type of game. We need to be better than that, a fluid, passing side and be an exciting team to watch�.
This rhetoric has been reflected in signings to date, most notably with the addition of Brazilian fullback Daniel. His pedigree suggests he could be one of the finest imports seen in this country since Paul Mariner and it is clear that South American talent will play a key part in the Phoenix squad.
�Key people have done a lot of research into South America generally for us, as we have done in other parts of the world, and we�ve made some interesting contacts and had some very good discussions.�
With Herbert nominating Melbourne Victory�s Fred as the player he would most like to have signed from V2, it is no surprise that rumours abound that at least two more South Americans will sign, possibly filling the striking berths. Herbert�s response to speculation on the squad: �watch this space!�.
Understandably, formation of the squad has been the key focus in recent weeks so further details surrounding the day to day running of the club remain scant. The hunt is on for a training venue with Terry in negotiations with the council, and other coaching staff are still to be appointed. With Herbert due back in Wellington this week, expect those details to be finalised soon.
Because of the unique nature of the dual roles that Herbert possesses, both with the Phoenix and the All Whites, there is a possibility his assistant may manage the Phoenix in his absence for All White duty. Both the club and Ricki have been quick to place assurances that there is no conflict in holding the joint roles. That has also controlled the makeup of the team somewhat.
�From a national point of view there has been a really good interest from a number of players. However, as the sums will tell you, if we have 14 kiwis here, you won�t be able to put a team on the park [during the mid season international qualifiers]�.
At the same time Herbert is confident in the crop of young players coming through in New Zealand, while mindful of the challenges faced to correctly manage their development.
�We have a talented group, and in New Zealand generally we have some very, very good young players. We need to be able to find them competition and environments to lead them into, say, an A-League team based in Wellington. We need to find a solution, where do these guys play when they come back from Canada [the under 20 World Cup] or Korea [under 17]? If they aren�t in the NZFC they�ll be at schools or in a Northern or Central League and that�s not good enough to prepare them to be competitive. Or else they head to college in the United States and we lose sight of them for three years.�
Add to the mix New Zealand born players representing other nations at junior level, Winston Reid in Denmark and Michael McGlinchey at Celtic spring to mind, and the possibility of an entirely New Zealand born team in the A-League doesn�t seem so far fetched. Especially now that a more prominent national team may act as a carrot to attract these guys home, as happened with Chris James.
�That would be a pretty cool outcome. I�m not sure that it will happen in my time though!�
Aside from All White success in Europe in 2006, Herbert�s stocks rose rapidly after orchestrating a major turnaround at the Knights. Herbert is quick to acknowledge the role played by others in the coaching staff who helped him. But the formation of a plan to change a losing culture, and the execution of that plan, lay with the man himself. Herbert drew on his own playing experiences in order to stop the rot.
�I fully understand the disappointment of a team that is losing every week. We wanted to erode everything that had occurred through a completely different way of playing. We didn�t want to be sitting back absorbing the damage, we wanted to attack and be competitive to show that we deserved a professional side. And we wanted to give that responsibility to the players.�
Undoubtedly the Knights played a more attractive brand of football after Hebert�s appointment and the team spirit demonstrated during that period surpassed anything seen before by a New Zealand team in the A-League. It is worth considering that had those results been different the FFA could well have headed to Townsville immediately rather than give New Zealand its second chance.
As we depart I feel like we�ve only scratched the surface of the intricacies of the footballing landscape in New Zealand. With a dedication to the game and a desire to do things the right way, New Zealand football seems to be marking a new path towards professionalism and credibility. New influences, new people and a new club, 2007 is a big one for the game in this country.
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�The future is f**king fantastic�
JFK, Joe �Effing� Kinnear, 17th in line to the throne but thrust into the role of Geordie saviour after the abdication of those in front, is the latest punchline on the lips of football pundits this week after his spectacular rant during his first press conference after his surprise appointment. If you haven�t heard it yet, do so here, as it�s the best piece of copy you are likely to see this year. Kinnear let fly at journalists with both barrels with a rant which made me wonder how this guy could have been out of the game for four years.
The build up to the NRL Grand Final last week was as much about the war of words emanating between Melbourne�s Craig Bellamy and the NRL judiciary, and Bellamy and Ricki Stewart. Toys were thrown, accusations made and it looks like, despite an apology, Bellamy may be facing a lawsuit. For many of us news junkies stuck in credit crunch mad London with not much else to do apart from surf the internet waiting on every press conference, this is almost as good it gets. In fact, with the one sided nature of the grand final a suggestion made by another commentator that they play the matches mid-week and let the coaches have a go at each other on the weekend doesn�t sound so far fetched.
It is one of the things that I notice when I look on from afar at the A-League, the competition is pretty, some nice football wrapped up in a professional package, but there is a distinct lack of controversy, barely a whiff of niggle and scarcely an interesting quote amongst what is an increasing amount of irritatingly banal media coverage (this is not a criticism of those doing the reporting either, they just don�t have a lot to work with). The FFA run a tight ship, and of course, it has needed to keep firm control of the league in its embryonic phases. But it�s maturing now, embedded in the public�s consciousness and the sporting landscape. And it�s time to let the players and staff off the leash.
The biggest controversy we�ve had this year was the Ryan Nelsen vs the Phoenix spat during the Olympics, and it took Ryan, based overseas to kick it off and state their mind - we don�t do wars of words in the post NSL football world. There are some characters in the league, John Kosmina looks like he loves a yarn and his dust up with Kevin Muscat back in the day shows he doesn�t mind playing dirty. Dave Mitchell has a beard and guys with beards are more often than not entertaining (or they work at the Department of Conservation, which is kind of the opposite), granted Ernie Merrick is a bit of a personality free zone but Frank Farina has had an outspoken past. Our Ricki isn�t prone to particularly quotable sound bites but his celebrations after the win against Sydney showed he was feeling some pressure and he is human after all, it would be nice to see him hit back at his critics.
Which brings me onto Miron Bleiberg who has burst back onto the scene after a 2 year hiatus as coach of the new Gold Coast side. He�s already stoking the Queensland rivalry by claiming that the Roar�s players are overpaid. He�s linked with every big name pro without a contract worldwide as well as half the A-League. And frankly he�s not my cup of tea. But, despite every fibre of my being attempting to deny it, I�ve found myself liking him! He�s good for the league. Not since Terry Butcher and Craig Foster traded blows through the Sydney Morning Herald has a player or a manager stepped away from the FFA line and cut loose like this. And it�s refreshing to hear a man unencumbered by logic or reality and the simple fact that Steve Fitzsimmons was one of his first signings tell you that Gold Coast will win the league in their first season. Don�t stop Miron, tell us what you really think!
So here�s to unseemly spats being played out in the media, on field feuds having off field ramifications and outrageous pronunciations being made during the remainder of the season. Because it�s all part of the game, we love it and wouldn�t we all love this little exchange�
Ricki Herbert: Which one is John Matheson?
JM: Me
RH: You�re a c**t
Sydney FC boss Kosmina was livid at what he said was time wasting by Perth as the Glory hung on for a 2-1 win.
He was also angry about the late send-off of his defender Ian Fyfe for what was little more than a tap on the head of Perth's Adrian Trinidad.
"I know street-smarts but there's a difference between street-smart and just being soft and cheap," Kosmina said.
"It's still a man's game.
Roar coach Farina launched a scathing attack on the officials after a controversial 1-0 loss to Adelaide United last Friday.
The former Socceroos mentor was furious that Adelaide's sole goal, finished by Robert Cornthwaite, was set up by Brazilian striker Cristiano in an offside position.
"It was an atrocious decision which cost us the game," Farina said at the time.
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Nice column Normo. I told Park Life to contact you to get some pointers.
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Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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The consistent fascination with the concept of the so called big four in England is an increasingly irritating fact of the Premiership - Hull City�s recent inclusion in the elite is a welcome interlude from the identity of the usual protagonists. But north of the border, the usual procession that is the Scottish Premier League has kicked of without fanfare on Fleet Street.
Despite passionate fans, a genuine resurgence of young Scottish talent and the presence of Rangers in the final of the UEFA Cup earlier this year, the competition rarely resonates outside Scotland other than the Old Firm derbies.
I�m no expert in Scottish football beyond the musings of various London based scribes who report � with very much an us and them attitude � on the latest goings on in the city of Glasgow.
But I don�t think I�m overstretching myself when I say that having bounced back from overspending in the 90s, and the collapse of ITV digital, Celtic and Rangers are once again dominating the competition in Scotland.
Two clubs, coffers swollen by frequent appearances in European club competition, steamrolling the competition in a two horse race � sound familiar?
The recent scaling back of the 2008/2009 NZFC season is another disappointing chapter in the various iterations of the national league in New Zealand. Even in my (relatively) brief lifetime at least four different versions have been played out with the only consistency being a familiar conclusion.
And blame for the most recent failures, manifested in Waikato scaling back operations to bare bones and last year�s losing finalist Team Wellington limping across the starting line, is being laid, by some at least, at the door of the league�s two most successful clubs, Auckland City and Waitakere United.
Similar to Scotland, two well funded clubs have dominated, cherry picking the best players from their less prosperous rivals. Their fans have even attempted a cringe-worthy comparison to the old firm rivalry.
Auckland City and Waitakere, for those of you who have better things to do on a Sunday than watch domestic football (although I have long argued that there is little better value for $7 than a sunny afternoon at Newtown Park) have between them won all 4 NZFC titles. But more importantly, both have represented Oceania at the Club World Championship, where a substantial prize money of US$500,000 is awarded merely for turning up.
While some of the money is shared between the players and staff, the league and the other franchises, undoubtedly this has led to a concentration of footballing power and financial clout in Auckland as a result of the influx of cash.
But blaming Auckland City and Waitakere for the failings of the league completely misses the point. They should be feted rather than criticised. Both have from day one been ruthless and professional, and as a result, successful.
Although aided by subsequent success, City initially assembled a squad with an eye on competing on all fronts and have been proactive, imaginative and impressive in their recruitment, with recent arrivals Ivan Vicelich and Xavi Roca complementing South Korean international Lee Ki-Hyung.
Waitakere brought Australian Shannon Cole out in 2005 (now playing for Sydney FC and recently selected in the Socceroos squad) and latched onto the failure of the Knights to rebuild after their one poor season, recruiting Darren Bazeley and Neil Emblen who have found the NZFC more to their level. Although boosted by their CWC windfalls, it is both clubs� bold strategies that led to such success in the first place. What is the preference, that all franchises sign poor quality players and the league remains stuck in a rut?
Clearly there are problems with the financial position of the league and the franchises themselves. Because there are no TV rights, league sponsor or prize money, the only income streams for the franchises are match day revenues (limited due to generally small crowds), sponsorships (limited due to the lack of exposure) and essentially donations, whether from gambling trusts, local clubs or wealthy benefactors (which are now drying up).
There is little that a well run franchise can do to match the income levels supplemented by competition in the Club World Championship. But to stay competitive costs money, and as usual, that is in short supply in New Zealand domestic football. Developing further sources of funding for all franchises is the only way forward.
Since tobacco sponsorship was outlawed in 1995 New Zealand Football has never had a corporate sponsor of the national league. NZF hyped the NZFC as a pathway to professionalism with better stadiums and better standards - �the new name for the global game�. But four years in and the crucial elements that the league�s administrators are responsible for, making inroads into television exposure, marketing the league to a wider audience and generating sponsorship are back to the levels they were in 1999 � virtually non-existent.
Of course it is a tough sell and domestic football has always struggled to penetrate in New Zealand. But that doesn�t mean that something can�t be done - the sooner the running of the league is handed over to the stake holders, the franchises themselves, the better. It is in their interests to succeed where NZF have consistently tried and failed. Crowds are still counted in the hundreds, there is very little marketing beyond that generated by the franchises themselves and the league is almost completely reliant on gaming trust sponsorship.
The fact that we are now looking at a league that requires saving, while currently hosting the under 17 World Cup is a terrible indictment on the current administration. A 14 match league is also clearly inadequate and is frankly disrespectful to franchise chairmen who have assembled playing and coaching staff for the coming season. Whether Auckland and Waitakere dominate again they should be tested over a full programme of matches.
Evening the competition by knee-capping the Auckland clubs is not an improvement and is symptomatic of some of the small time thinking that perpetuates the current malaise in the game at the highest level. Just as other clubs in the Scottish Premier League realise that their fortunes, and the fortunes of the competition as a whole, are tied to those of the Old Firm, the NZFC franchises outside of Auckland need to wake up. Because football in New Zealand may not have many further chances to get the domestic national league right
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Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight
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3-5-2. 4-5-1. 4-4-2. Numbers on a page to many of those outside of football but for those who play and love the game, three numbers paint a clear picture of personnel, attitude and what makes a team tick.
Football tactics have come a long way over the years from the 2-3-5 of the fifties and sixties, the fashionable but now obsolete 3-5-2 of the nineties to the currently in vogue 4-2-3-1. (As an aside, Jonathan Wilson�s excellent book Inverting the Pyramid: The History of Football Tactics is fascinating reading for those interested in this sort of thing in a particularly nerdy kind of way).
One of the most fascinating systems to have been attempted in recent years was Manchester United�s 4-0-6 of last year (or 4-6-0, depending how you looked at it). Without a recognised central striker, as many as six attacking players revolved through a range of positions leaving most defences aghast as they struggled to cope with the fluid movement of a talented bunch of players comfortable playing in midfield as well as further forward, both wide and centrally. The results were there for all to see as United won the Champions League and the Premiership in some style.
Much of the credit for this innovative system went to United assistant Carlos Quieroz but the system was actually developed by Luciano Spalletti at Roma. Faced with Francesco Totti as his only recognised striker in 2005, a player who preferred to drop deep into midfield rather than play off the last shoulder of defenders, he developed a system without strikers based on continual movement through fixed zones to play to the strength of the players he had available.
Carlos Quieroz has now left United to take over the helm of his native Portugal (and incidentally has made a mediocre start to qualifying), United have signed Dimitar Berbatov to play centrally and have reverted to a more orthodox 4-4-2 with decidedly mixed results.
After defeat at Arsenal on Saturday left United 8 points off the pace in the Premier League, questions are being raised about how the loss of Quieroz is affecting the style that United are playing, and the role of the assistant in general. Quieroz converted Alex Ferguson, an initial sceptic, to 4-5-1 in Europe in his first spell at the club and has clearly had an influence on the new Iberian generation at United. In short, he�s been an increasingly important figure in recent years despite the title of assistant.
It is no coincidence either that Sammy Lee�s return as assistant to Rafa Benitez at Liverpool has led to a more focussed approach in the Premier League. Nor that Gianfranco Zola and Paul Ince�s first acts as Premiership managers were to appoint experienced assistants (Chelsea�s Steve Clarke and Scotland�s Archie Knox respectively) and Luiz Felipe Scolari appointed true�blue Chelsea man Ray Wilkins as Clarke�s replacement. Which makes Ricki Herbert�s recruitment of Brian Turner as unsurprising as Stu Jacobs� dumping at the end of last season was a shock. Most managers need an assistant.
As well as providing a pathway into professionalism for players, one overlooked consequence of the addition of the Kingz, Knights and now the Phoenix is the pathway for coaches. Where previously the limits of a coaches ambition was their local national league team and the All Whites job (and it is worth noting that Ricki Herbert is the first New Zealander to coach the side), coaching football is now a professional opportunity just like playing football. But a quick perusal of most leagues around the world shows that other than at the highest level, or for particularly ambitious clubs, generally coaches are less mobile than players (unless they achieve particularly noteworthy success in international competition).
Therefore, for New Zealand coaches there is stiff competition for jobs in New Zealand, and the opportunities in New Zealand are limited when one man, Ricki Herbert, holds the two plum jobs. For an upwardly mobile and ambitious coach like Stu, losing his job as Phoenix assistant must be all the more galling when with Ricki in sole charge the team have played far less attractive football, and now, with (the admittedly part�time) Brian Turner involved (also assistant to Ricki at the All Whites), there has been an improvement in results. He�s been involved since around the time of the first win over Sydney and has to take some credit for the subsequent change in fortunes but his appointment is tacit admission by Phoenix management that the structure wasn�t working.
And now another guy is occupying two high level roles.
The role of assistant is esoteric and eclectic. At larger clubs the assistant will take many of the day to day training drills while the manager spends time on the overall management, liaising with scouts, signing players and dealing with the board. The assistant might be a sounding board for tactics and will often be the link between the manager and the dressing room, keeping a closer eye on the attitude of players in training. And they may be the nice guy that the players can confide in.
At a club like the Phoenix that exists on a smaller scale clearly there is less of a need for the manager to be away from the training ground. Anecdotally, Ricki�s remit this year was to be more hands on with the players after spending a little too much time �supervising� his assistants last year. Wayne O�Sullivan was downgraded to a �technical analyst� and it was expected that Ricki would do the bulk of the coaching. But the results speak for themselves and Brian Turner is well liked by the players - it seems unlikely that the Phoenix will operate without an assistant again.
So where to now for Stu Jacobs? Currently coaching Team Wellington, and still heavily involved with age group national sides, Stu has plenty on his plate. But with the path to the two top jobs currently blocked he may look to a different pathway. If Wellington�s well publicised financial problems see them fall further behind the Auckland clubs, and if Auckland City again fail to topple Waitakere United, he may well be tempted to try his luck at a club that almost guarantees international exposure at the Oceania Champions League and may provide the platform for a move to the highest level by competing at the Club World Championship � in Auckland. Just don�t bet on him going back to the Phoenix.
Perhaps time will record Stu Jacobs as the first great casualty of the Phoenix era.
james dean2008-11-13 03:55:56Normo's coming home
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All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight
Founder
All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight
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Like the girl way out of your league that you improbably pulled when you were 15, wistful reflection on a remarkable series of matches in 1981 has undoubtedly been burnished by time and subsequent underachievement (our group of wilful amateurs consistently overachieved but it can�t be ignored that their opponents such as Indonesia, Kuwait and China were far less advanced in sporting terms 27 years ago).
No football moment has been able to compete with the romance of the underdog nature of the campaign and never will, and an element of snobbery is evident in regular unflattering comparisons between that side and any subsequent. The Road to Spain has come to dominate every element of every decision regarding football in New Zealand and symbolise the failure of the game in our country. Until now.
Finally, a new brand of footballing success can be acknowledged and allowed to develop.
For too long a reverential view of that campaign, the conditions that produced the players involved and the players and coaching staff has been perpetuated. Why is it that comment by players of the �82 vintage are always sought when someone like Vaughan Coveny, New Zealand�s record goal scorer, involved in the game for the last 20 years and much more aware of the issues relevant today having experienced the frustrations of playing for and in New Zealand, is never heard from?
Too regularly any positive steps taken in the intervening 27 years have been branded a failure simply for not living up to the memory of that achievement. Many (but significantly not all) of our most famous football team have wanted out of the limelight for some time and will be relieved to see the mantel passed on.
Qualification also means that the system that produced not only the players involved on Saturday night, but also the improving junior Men�s and Women�s teams, may finally receive a more balanced appraisal. The home and away triumph over Bahrain is only most recent evidence of an improvement happening right across the spectrum. That�s not to say that many mistakes have been made, and the system needs a lot of work, but the framework that produced and prepared this group of players for the match on Saturday hasn�t happened overnight and that should be acknowledged.
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Although it is difficult to quantify the impact that the international fixture programme pursued by the previous regime had on this side, there will also be a modicum of vindication for Graeme Seatter. Although he nearly bankrupted New Zealand Football, and the disastrous South America tour hastened the retirement of a number of players in a way that John Bracewell would be proud of, he did expose us to international competition which demanded a lift in standards. No player has typified that elevation more than Tim Brown. Thrust into a position of leadership early he has taken every chance given to him and now sits as Ricki Herbert�s most trusted on � field lieutenant for both club and country.
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One thing that the �82 side didn�t manage to achieve is a result at the tournament proper and this will be the immediate goal of Ricki�s All Whites.
The horrendous timing of the A-League season (the finals begin the weekend after the only remaining FIFA window) means that a full strength All Whites side is unlikely to play together before the end of the season. Of greater concern is that the bulk of the squad will finish their competitive football in March at the latest. Motivation will not be lacking but it will be a difficult task to maintain fitness between the end of the A-League season and the pre-tournament camp. This hands an advantage to players left out of the squad who will be involved in club football throughout the first half of 2010 (Kris Bright and Steven Old spring to mind).
The emotional intensity of the preparation for these matches and the ensuing celebrations will have advanced the spirit in the group � especially the involvement of the two newest members of the side - Fallon and McGlinchey - in the Wellington match. But Football never stands still � you can only move forward or backwards � and tactically the All Whites, who are heavily reliant on experienced players in the starting XI, have plenty of work to do.
Some of our play at the Confederations Cup was almost wilfully na�ve � it is a football clich� that every match begins 11 on 11 but we have to acknowledge the disparity in ability. We cannot be scared to play ugly as every nation values hard fought points at international level, although our muscular style which clearly unsettled the Bahrainis will need to be refined. We are comfortable operating without the ball which will be our default setting in South Africa but we need to make more use of possession.
Loyalty to the players who qualified will probably see all 18 involved in Wellington travelling to South Africa but there must be questions about including two right backs when neither seems to have the confidence of the manager. We need personnel available to allow us to play four at the back if required.
Some, including CEO Michael Glading, would prefer high profile match ups over winnable games in our World Cup campaign. This is a sporting competition and on sporting terms we should be hoping for the weakest group possible. This is the chance for the All Whites of 2010 to continue their story and outshine their predecessors.
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The tedious media driven debate over whether Football will supplant Rugby as New Zealand�s national sport has once again risen its head. Similar questions were asked of league after the tri-nations win in 2006 and is borderline mischief making designed to generate a backlash upon the sport which at that time has the limelight. All but the most rabid supporter on either side of the argument see this as a pointless debate. Football will never overtake Union on the back of a single result when so few top class matches of significance are held in this country.
But what the uninhibited response to the victory in Wellington has demonstrated is that the stranglehold that Rugby Union retains over the sporting media in NZ does not reflect the level of interest in a wide range of sports by your average fan. With a little prompting Football as a product will stand up when meaningful matches are scheduled against credible opponents � and crucially, the media acknowledge and report the fact.
Perversely the All Whites� success could be a good thing for Rugby. If Rugby fatigue is the cause of falling crowds and disenchantment then a spell out of the limelight in 2010 could refresh the sport in time for the World Cup in 2011.
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Finally, could part of the $10million earned from the World Cup be spent in a better way than supporting a group of the best New Zealand youth players to play under the Phoenix banner in the Australian Youth League next season? It�s an absolute no �brainer.
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