Oceania tell us to get f'd

Oceania tell us to get f'd

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Tai Nicholas and co have decided we can't compete in the O-league!! (Barstewards!)

FFA say we can't play in the Asian Champions League.

Lets hope FIFA bang their heads together to sort this out!

(ok, i'm holding my breath )

Have we applied for the European Champions league, might be a better bet since we have NO direct affiliation with them...

Its all BS from the Oceania Confederation. Australia saw it was being held back by this group and thank god we got out.

 

Without pulling punches the islands nations have a totally different view of the football world, We found they were spilt full of factions and often saw the only way to beat OZ & NZ was to as now red tape them out.

 

However the rules are quite clear as a NZ based team you are in the Oceania confederation, that�s why you can�t play in the ACL.

 

The reason you can play in the A-league is because of an agreement between NZF and the FFA. When we went to Asia we had to have  Asian & Oceania confederations agree to the transfer as well as FIFA.  As always with the Oceania confederation it was a fifty fifty call. Then Frank Lowy gave his word he would do everything in his power to keep a NZ team in the new competition he was planning to win the NZ bid, and FIFA approval. The Auckland team was gifted a spot in the initial A-League, and as I see it because it was so easy they did not try that hard. Calls to exclude Auckland were everywhere but Frank if nothing is a man of his word (assuming you can get it). When the second Auckland team went down the calls across OZ is we have all these towns / regions wanting to get in, so kick out the NZerd�

 

The Nix I guess are proof that Frank Lowy kept his word to NZF, but this time really had the screws applied to ensure a strong team which you are.

 

So you are part of the Oceania Confederation, so where is the government to assist with a little bit of political pressure. NZ would get more exposure in this game than any World Cup the all chokers (sorry have S*ts over decision) play in or raft race with sails.

 

Can you imagine one of the island countries stopping one of the S14 teams, all hell would break loose maybe even gun boats sent.

 

YET FOOTBALL THEY COULD NOT GIVE A FLYING FIG AND DON�T APPEAR TO WANT TO LIFT A FINGURE TO CALL IN SOME FAVOURS.

 

Fing poor if you ask me, sorry wish I could help in some way.

 

Sorry rant over, but start to get stuck up some people. And as the old Slade song goes

 

�Come feel the noise

All the Girls and Boys

They went Wild Wild Wild

 

So make those usless ***** in the beehive get off *********

 

Go make some noise

I gotta agree with the sentiments of our midfielder. The prob is the oceania federation which is a joke. The federation should be disbanded. It's so weak and ineffectual. If we want quality football for NZ we've got to join Asia or FIFA have to slice out a new Asia-Pacific federation. phil_style2008-02-15 23:43:56

lol say goodbye to o-league participation in the club world cup, the next team will lose embarrassingly, and if they allow another one.. they will lose embarrassingly... and then game over.. awesome. why is it the only people who can't see logic are the people who make the decisions..

Make some noise Midfielder2008-02-16 00:02:03

Im not overly concerned about it i would much prefer to see us get things right in the A league before we aim for this.

Id much rather see NZ keep it spot in the club world champs...

Paraphrasing David Tua on the O League

Aren't we jumping the gun a bit?  He's only disagreed with the Nix playing in the O League because it's too late to change the format and draws (this does make a bit of sense). Its still open for them to go to the Club champs by beating the O League winner in a playoff.  I realise this again needs agreement from that Nicholas bloke but since Blatter has pretty much said that amateur teams won't be allowed in the World club champs he will surely have to agree. I can't see him being able to justify a no decision and if he can't see that 50% of something is a better outcome than 100% of nothing then heaven help us.

Sorry but were is the connection between a team that plays in a Australian League in the Asian Confederation and NF football and Oceania?

the connection is wherever fifa chose to 'find' one

Evidence as to why Auckland when so bad...........must be in the water if you read buffon II and happyted.

Ok happyted, you guys have your 1 or 2 more appearences at the club world champs, then kiss it goodbye. Have fun with that. Have fun with not getting the cash from it after that point too. Because Fifa WILL take the spot from oceania.

Midfielder2008-02-17 02:08:23

No i'm not suggesting that at all. I know Wellington is the home of football i'd be glad to see All remaining AWs fixtures played there on the road to the World Cup cause they'd get the best crowds there it has nothing to do with that.  

How about this for conspiracy theory. Imagine the scenario..NZF are desperate to keep the A League licence but have neither the capital or business acumen to make it happen themselves. Along come the Nix with both. NZF welcome them in but are in a position of serious weakness and have nothing to bargain with. They examine the pantry for any sort of carrot, out of it falls O League and entry to the World Club champs. We can't guarantee either but we'll help facilitate things, they think. Great say the Nix, we'll take that and the sub licence and come back at the appropriate time. End of scenario, here we are with hindsight and we know NZF have been bending over backwards from even before the last World Club champs to help the Nix (Blatter's comments weren't made until late in the process). Why would that be?

f**k me did you actually read that post or just make up in your mind what i wrote?

Problem: the possiblilbity of losing Oceania entry into the CWC and the two years for Oceania to lift the club level professionalism.

Solution: lift that club level to FIFA acceptablilty.

Strategic options;

1.) Create an fully professional oceania league with the best two clubs of each of the Oceania nation, void of respective domestic league using the domestic as a feeder to that league. (needs TV money rights and has an very great future possibility)
2.) allow the winner of the O-league transfer players options of gaining the players of their respective domestic league in time for the CWC. (risking an lopsided domestic competition)
3.) have the O-league double pool winner to have a play-off with the A-league oceania representative (currently Wellington phoenix only) incorporated as the final O-League stage. therefore using the justification of a graded/seeded system of amateurs playing professional similar to an FA Cup tie of the lower league teams playing the EPL at the third round stage. (not an even-playing field in regards to foreign import policy)
4.) Only allow professional teams in the O-league, in which case it would be only Wellington Phoenix with automatic entry with no competition (unless the tahitians are fully professional, then there is some competition format).(this would cause a great outrage with all the oceania nations)
5.) Eliminate Oceania altogether from the CWC have them reapplied when there are professional teams in the Oceania region. (Again a big Oceania outrage)

Option 1: Very long term idea, not really possible within two years.
Option 2: An valid option but not necessary the best players or team without the full-time professional players for an NZ team. However it does not mean that there can't be a loan of a couple of Wellingotn Phoenix players to "stack up the team"
Option 3: Still an vaild option but it depends on the FIFA decision in June along with FFA contract clause loop of sharing the prizemoney with the other A-league teams.
Option 4: Not an option.
Option 5: Maybe be the distinct possibility after two years.

Should Option 5 is done. We should concentrate on developing option 1 and may be able to negotiate FIFA funding over a sustainable period of time (say 7 years) to set up a self-sufficient Professional Oceania league with funding being gradually being less after each season as sponsors (including TV money rights being an elite competition) are gained over that time, if access to the CWC is denied as part of the regional development scheme and FIFA policy.

Then we should start concentrating of creating a Professional Oceania league using the best of all the OFC resources and use each OFC nation domestic league as feeder league for their two clubs until their own feeder league are fully professional themselves and then these nations can create an promotion/relegation playoff with the bottom of the two domestic club of the Oceania league and the winner of the domestic league.

To be honest if option 2 or 3 should be done in the two years and we have to see the results of this at the CWC stage, before deciding whether it is successful or not. But it may be a possibility that an Oceania Super league maybe the way to go regardless of any decision.

Just thinking outside of the square again . . .AllWhitebelievr2008-02-17 15:06:22

Buffon II as I see it is simple and I did read your post.

Boring.

sigh u guys make huge posts about this, as i see it there are just a few important facts that sum this whole argument up, simple and ending, without making a ridiculously ott post about it

1. current oceania teams are not up to fifa club world cup standard. no discussion on that, we know.
2. top fifa official says give me a pro. team in the club world cup or say goodbye to your entry in a year or 2.
3. since when le fck did the phoenix actually complain? link me please?
4. simply put, no.2 was put out quit epublicly, the phoenix, as the biggest(not sure if there are any others) pro team in oceania, put themselves forward, and i'm sure would be more than happy to do a playoff for entrance.
5. rejection, say goodbye to club world cup, say goodbye to revenue for NZF, and seeing as NZF is already up sh*t creek without 2 dollars to rub together, they need it

and ted. its relevant because they are the WELLINGTON phoenix. this (though its made to be) should not be about what comp they play in, its about securing revenue for future years. so that we may see NZF come back from the brink eventually. the phoenix go to the CWC, win a game, or lose from a stunning goal, score a legit goal rather than that sham of a danny hay goal. and we keep the CWC in oceania. end of story.

and that did turn out to be long...

Wellington Phoenix who play in Australia which is in the asian confederation
and play in a league that they finished bottom of
so to sum up, they are a sh*te Australian team

As opposed to, from a World Club Champs perspective, a very sh*te NZ team. Which, be honest, is what the World has seen the New Zealand representatives as so far. Jag2008-02-18 20:13:19

At least they were NZ teams representing NZ and Oceania the
country and confederation they play in.
And they also earned the right to compete in O-League by not finishing
bottom of the league they play in all of which does not apply to Wellington Phoenix

o please, and who's gonna give a toss what league we play in if the phoenix were allowe to beat the top o-league team and represent Oceania as should be there right by being a New Zealand pro footballing club.
will it matter if we were at the CWC, no! ofcourse it won't, the rest of the world will see a pro. team from New Zealand, and all your little NZFC teams will still get their money, without the humiliation. it is truely sad when a team can give away a penalty and not even do it well enough to stop the guy from scoring before he even had to take it.

o and ted, at least they were representing Oceania doesnt cut it when they're about to get kicked out of the tournament, along with that nice big sum of money it reels in.

Not arguing with that at all ted, or with their right to be there. Just pointing out the embarrassingly sh*thouse performances by NZ clubs in that competition to date.

I just find it slightly odd that your attitude, and that of some others, is to doggedly stick to the status quo despite the fact that, if this attitude prevails, it will almost certainly mean no New Zealand representation in that competition in the relatively near future.

 

Oh please.

If the nix gets the go ahead in July to have a playoff with the O-league winner like Auckland City and so they win with a score of 5-0 and 1-0 on a home and away system.

You have to be convinced that they are the better team to represent NZ and Oceania. With their home games are in Wellington, NZ and so whatever league they are in, they are a NZ team regardless.