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Oiling the machine (Gaming Machine Reform and Implications)

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From the Mainland Football website: Time for sprort to stand up for it's future. Sport in NZ is potentially hugely affected by a change to a current Gambling Bill.

A gambling bill which gives councils and the public power to cut the number of poker machines in their area is set to be heard in parliament.  The Gambling Amendment Bill promoted by Maori Party MP Te Ururoa Flavell, will receive its first reading this week.  It was first tabled in 2010 but has resurfaced as the Government negotiates a deal involving more pokies at SkyCity Casino. At present, the reduction in pokie numbers is enforced in Christchurch by a 'sinking lid policy', which meant no new machines can be installed, and if a venue closed its pokies could not be moved. The Bill would give councils power to prevent a gambling venue from getting a new licence if the community decided it was causing too much harm. It also proposed dramatic changes to the way gambling proceeds were distributed.

Currently sport across NZ at national, regional and club level relies heavily on proceed distribution from Gaming Trusts to survive.  The majority of sports clubs to national bodies rely on funding levels between 10 and 60%.  Whether through a change in the way reduced proceeds would be filtered (via community groups put in place by Councils) or through time driven elimination of pokie sites, sport will be significantly disadvantaged.  Gaming Trusts have played a huge role distributing millions of dollars towards sporting organisations to support junior sport, talent programmes, grassroots development, referee development, administration (wages).  There are currently no alternative models in NZ to provide the annual $300m distribution provided by the gaming industry.
Pub Charity Inc, one of the big 5 NZ Gaming Trusts, at a recent meeting of Christchurch sports clubs pointed out the following:

  • The Bill if passed would ultimately eliminate in totality pokie sites
  • 99.5% of gamblers do not have a gambling problem
  • 0.047% (less than 5%) do seek help for a serious gambling problem
  • The silent majority – the gaming players and the societies receiving grants need to voice their opposition against the minority (squeaky wheel) who have painted an unfair dire picture

THE BILL

  • Gives councils power to eliminate or reduce pokies at a venue if the public feels they are harmful
  • Phases out the Gaming Trusts which distribute pokie earnings, and replaces them with transparent, local committees.
  • Insists that venues introduce gambler tracking systems which measure losses, and pre-commit cards which allow players to preset the time and money they gamble.
  • Removes special status of the racing industry as a recipient for the purpose of racing stakes.
  • Ensures 80 per cent of gambling proceeds return to the community where the money was lost.

Sport and other sectors of society who receive grants will have six (6) weeks to make submissions against this Bill. In the absence of any alternate Government model to distribute such significant levels of funding on an annual basis, many young people will drop out of active sport because the cost of participation will rise hugely.  Many other social issues will potentially arise through young persons not maintaining an active involvement in community sport.  Whereas this Bill with its amendments looks to remove social issues relevant to gambling in the poorer communities, it will ultimately have the potential to create even more significant social and health issues amongst the younger generation whose parents simply wont be able to pay the much higher sport subscription and therefore by choice cannot affiliate their children to sports clubs.

Until Government find an adequate alternative to the way sport is currently funded, the silent majority who benefit from the funding need to speak up and vote against the amendment.  Mums, dads, extended family together with all the kids who play sport and participate in recreation funded by Gaming Trusts, likely make up 90% of NZ society and therefore need to be active when the time comes to mobilise against this Bill.

Watch this space very closely.

My opening comment:

This is a big issue. My concern is that we (as the club football community) are not used as a mouthpiece by the Gaming Trusts for their agenda (no matter how comfortable and cosy the relationship may be for some clubs). I would ask Mainland Football - who penned the article on your website?

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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This just got bigger. Mainland are now actively campaigning against the bill and supplying clubs and parents with submission forms (on their website). No other federation is doing this at present. 

Here is the Salvation Army's comment on the bill:

The Salvation Army is urging all politicians to reform the gambling machine sector.

The Gambling (Gambling Harm Reduction) Amendment Bill will be voted on in Parliament tomorrow and is a rare and precious opportunity to minimise the damage caused by pokies, Salvation Army spokesman Major Campbell Roberts says.

Thousands of gamblers addicted to pokies, and their families, seek emergency aid and counselling from The Salvation Army each year.

“Tomorrow’s conscience vote is just that – a moral responsibility to ensure that we protect the most vulnerable of our citizens from avoidable poverty and anguish,” he says.

Last year, The Salvation Army’s Oasis Centres for Problem Gambling helped 3200 problem gamblers with their addiction, a rise of 16 per cent on 2008. 

Major Roberts says addiction treatment is the tip of the iceberg. Poorer suburbs are strategically targeted by pokie machine operators and these communities are disproportionately harmed. This plays out in Salvation Army community service centres across the country every day as families seek emergency food aid and counselling. In decile 9 communities, there is one pokie machine for every 75 people compared to one machine for every 465 residents in decile 1 communities.

Major Roberts says the effects of the concentration of pokies in poorer suburbs is born out in the number of families coming to The Salvation Army seeking help as a result of family members’ gambling. A screening programme at The Salvation Army’s South Auckland centre found 40 per cent of families seeking help were affected by problem gambling.

The Bill will enable communities to reduce the number of pokie machines or even eliminate them completely. It will also put in place more robust harm-minimisation safeguards than currently exist.

The Bill will phase out the often controversial system of pokie trusts and replace it with a low-cost and more transparent way of distributing pokie proceeds through local community representatives. Under the Bill, a greater proportion of gambling proceeds will be returned to the community.

“Te Ururoa Flavell’s Bill will go some way to reducing the damage we are seeing on a daily basis,” Major Roberts says.

Issued on the Authority of Commissioner Donald Bell (Territorial Commander)
The Salvation Army, New Zealand Fiji & Tonga Territory

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So the guts of the bill is that local communities can decide if they want more or less pokie machines in their area and there will be more transparency in distribtuion of funds, instead of decisions being made by the gaming trusts. And the problem is...?

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Sport has known for ages that this issue was coming. Clearly they haven't planned for it via better revenue & sponsorship models etc and the reality is now staring them in the face.

Um, just a question. Why is Mainland the ONLY federation to be campaigning like this? 

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The problem is that sport in NZ is addicted to pokie machine funding.

I agree that gaming reform in NZ is well overdue. The current system is at best, flawed, and at worst, totally corrupt.

I do agree with Mainland Football that other funding streams need to be identified to support amateur sport but that's about all I agree with them on.

Let's look at some of the points they themselves raise.

THE BILL

  • Gives councils power to eliminate or reduce pokies at a venue if the public feels they are harmful - Good, although replacement funding for community groups needs to be identified.
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  • Phases out the Gaming Trusts which distribute pokie earnings, and replaces them with transparent, local committees. - Good, more transparency is desperately needed.
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  • Insists that venues introduce gambler tracking systems which measure losses, and pre-commit cards which allow players to preset the time and money they gamble. - I'm not a gambler but this sounds good to me. The cards don't sound like they would be mandatory.
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  • Removes special status of the racing industry as a recipient for the purpose of racing stakes. - Fantastic! The use of pokie money for racing stakes is an apalling abuse of the original intent of the Act and a terrible diversion of precious funding away from communities that need it.
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  • Ensures 80 per cent of gambling proceeds return to the community where the money was lost. - Good. That's the way it should be.

$300m is actually not a lot of money to be funded from elsewhere. If you consider that a very large chunk of that currently goes to racing then the amount that would need to be found to support other, more legitimate needs, is even less. If sport (and other community groups) also pulled its head out of its arse and stopped being so greedy and wasteful with the money it gets then the amount truly required to replace pokie funding is probably even smaller.

Get rid of gaming trusts and distribute $150m from the general tax take to communities annually through govt, or local govt, run boards. Everything clear and transparent. Job done.

 

 

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User(losser) Pays here we go. 

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Stretford End - thanks for posting this. You should edit the name of the thread to include something like "Gaming Trust reform" so that more people pick up on it.

 

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I've just read the letter that Mainland Football is suggesting club coaches get players and parents to sign and it is terrible. It completely misses the point:

"As a member of an organisation that benefits from this funding my players and I oppose the intent
of this Bill because we do not think that local councils or community boards should control the
issuing of licences. The current model is fair and provides even opportunities for sports clubs like
mine to seek necessary funding support."

That's crap. The current system is not fair and does not provide even opportunities. Look no further than the example of ACFC and Trillion Trust. Nearly $500k per season to run one team?? It's a disgrace, and Mainland want us to support that? Shame.

I'm all in favour of people putting in submissions that stress the need to replace at least some of this community funding, but trying to defend the current system is just crazy.

 

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Hopefully less money will only mean amateur players are paid less (or not at all), rather than paying amatuer players paying even more on top of the ridiculous amount they are already paying. 


Allegedly

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Funding for amateur sport needs a total rethink.

But don't let them do what happen when smoke free came in. The goverment funding agency that took over allocated funding at approx 20% of the current funding supplied by Tabaco sponsorship.

We lost major international and national sporting events in NZ due to this total lack of a true funding alternative.

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I'll bet you anything that Mainland did not instigate this PR campaign. I reckon someone (perhaps in Chch football who is very close to the gaming trusts & thus has a lot to lose) has been in Mainland's ear to support the gaming industry's agenda. I'll also bet you double or nothing that it was the gaming industry and not Mainland who penned that blatant PR piece - that every family in Chch football is likely to see. Are we as clubs allowing Mainland to make that stance on our behalf or have Mainland consulted the clubs beore taking such a stance? With NZF? I would be ASTOUNDED if a federation would take such action without consultation with its member clubs or NZ Football.

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Gaming Trusts are a rort - it's all based on relationships - clubs successful at gaining funding often actively support member venues for trusts to look "favourably" at applications. So, money does not go where need is greatest. It goes where bars are supported. 

The Bill proposes to cut this crap.

The gaming industry knows it's "power" is about to be broken and is operating a fear campaign - the number of problem gamblers is small - "we are the "silent majority", there will be less money for sport, local body politicians won't be able to deal with applications fairly - fear, fear and more fear. 

Don't support Mainland's brown-nosing PR spin from the Gaming Trust industry - it's all based on fear.

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Totally agreed Stretford End. Mainland Football have got this one badly wrong.

When they talk about the bill being bad because it "Gives councils power to eliminate or reduce pokies at a venue if the public feels they are harmful" they are talking about us and our democratically elected representives.

The bill proposes to give us more say in what happens in our communities and Mainland Football and their cronies in the Gaming Trusts think that's wrong? wtf??

 

 

 

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Don't support Mainland's brown-nosing PR spin from the Gaming Trust industry - it's all based on fear.

But DO make a submission.

Focus on the positive changes to the distribution of gaming funds that the bill will bring. Greater transparency, fairness etc.

Also emphsise that sports clubs and community organisations who currently rely heavily on gaming funds will need support from alternative sources if that funding declines over time.

 

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Take 5 minutes, get informed and read this:

 

Gambling Amendment Bill - First Reading

Gambling (Gambling Harm Reduction) Amendment Bill - first reading
Wednesday 4 April 2012; 9.30pm

Te Ururoa Flavell (M?ori Party—Waiariki):

I move, That the Gambling (Gambling Harm Reduction) Amendment Bill be now read a first time. It is my intention that the bill be considered by the Commerce Committee in time.

Umpteen pieces of research tell us that problem gambling can have devastating consequences on individuals and wh?nau. Those consequences can be demonstrated in relationship breakdowns, financial ruin, psychological distress, criminal offending, imprisonment, and suicide. So you could say that it severely compromises the potential of wh?nau.

The M?ori Party takes this issue really seriously, so when we had the opportunity to enter into a relationship agreement with the National Government we made social hazards part of our negotiations. So we are really thrilled that National agreed to support this bill’s referral to the select committee, and we hope that it will do so through subsequent phases.

 

Actually, I am looking forward to wholesale support across the House for this bill. The inquiries and support provided by members of the House across the parties indicated that there are matters to be addressed with pokies, and having the bill go to the select committee will no doubt allow that discussion to be opened up. Sure, there might be some things that need some tweaking, but let us have the submissions and let us have the debate.

I am clear that it is not likely that we will get rid of pokie machines altogether. People do, however, recognise that something needs to be done about pokies and the harm caused by those machines. But it seems to be counterbalanced by those who run the “Who is going to pay for the sports club uniforms?” argument or, perhaps, the “Who will sponsor the kapahaka competition?” argument.

People are concerned that they may not get the money stream, and I understand that. But we are trying to focus on the harm, and that is why we have termed the bill the Gambling (Gambling Harm Reduction) Amendment Bill. This bill proposes a law change that would enable local authorities in consultation with their communities to reduce the number of pokie machines in their district.

The purpose of the bill is to provide local communities with more power to determine where pokie machines may be sited and how the proceeds can be distributed. Venues for electronic gambling machines tend to be overly represented in lower-income communities and town centres.

M?ori and Pasifika populations are effectively being disproportionately targeted and even severely harmed by them. This bill seeks to overcome these inequities of harm in the location and excessive numbers of pokie machines by enabling local authorities in consultation with their communities to reduce the number of, or even eliminate, pokie machines from those suburbs and towns where they are particularly concentrated or are doing particular harm.

It also changes the responsibility for distributing pokie funds and provides an informed and democratically accountable distribution method. In doing so, we hope to end the inefficiencies, lack of transparency, risks of unethical behaviour, and failure to appreciate and respond to the greatest needs of particular geographical and ethnic communities in the distribution of the community benefit funds from pokies. To take money out of the Kawerau community, for example, and distribute it in Hamilton, or Christchurch, is wrong, and we want to address that.

The bill also proposes to give gamblers more ability to limit and control their own gambling behaviour through player tracking devices and pre-commit cards. I suppose the background to a lot of this discussion for us as the M?ori Party is that tangata whenua have no history of traditional concepts of gambling. Indeed, there is no word for it in the M?ori language.

David Grant has described the introduction of gambling by the new settlers as “cultural baggage”, a baggage that has been disproportionately associated with M?ori. So here we are today recognising that M?ori are two to three times more at risk of problem and pathological gambling than non-M?ori and that M?ori youth are six times as likely as non-M?ori to develop gambling problems.

So instead of leading to self-determination, gambling creates more and more reliance on gaming machines being the road out of the poverty trap that many find themselves in. But that, unfortunately, is a dream. Even those in the gambling industry openly say that the machines are there to take your money. One might win now and again, and it is the belief that it will happen again and again that feeds the addiction.

If we take into account the ripple effect of each individual problem gambler having a direct impact on at least five people, we are looking at close to 250,000 adversely affected by M?ori problem gambling.

The M?ori Party has consistently described the harm associated with gambling in terms that Dr Lorna Dyall has described as a social hazard. Dr Dyall compared the intervention of games such as Risk or Powerball as on a par with the introduction of any biological or chemical hazards that are likely to place people at risk or in danger of loss or injury. She describes these games of chance as social hazards that require the same extent of licensing, management, monitoring, and ongoing research to assess the full social, economic, and cultural impacts.

So the M?ori Party has made changes with regard to the work on the tobacco reform. We are looking at alcohol overuse, particularly amongst M?ori communities, and tonight we want to focus on gambling harm. This bill proposes to do so in five ways.

Firstly, this bill responds to the public sentiment and evidence that there are already too many pokies and venues in some locations and district by adding public sentiment and evidence of harm to the major criteria to be applied in developing a territorial authority’s gambling venue policy. It empowers local authorities, after consulting the community and affected operators, to eliminate or reduce the number of pokie machines and venues in particular suburbs or towns where public sentiment or evidence of harm justifies this.

Secondly, it cuts out racing and racing-stake money as an authorised “charitable” purpose that is inconsistent with the community benefit tenor of the rest of the principal Act. Special consideration to this industry alone should not continue when community and iwi organisation are so desperately short of funding.

Thirdly, it requires the distribution of proceeds to be carried out primarily for the benefit of community, sporting, and social service organisations operating within and for the benefit of the geographic community in which the venue is located. It specifically requires all pokie-machine trusts, corporate societies, and other distributors of the proceeds of gambling machines to return at least 80 percent of these funds generated by gamblers losses on local pokie-machines back into the charitable organisations that are meeting the priority needs in the same local authority area as the venue, and within the same local authority ward, local board subdivision, or community board area where such subdivisions exist.

Fourthly, this bill also phases out the pokie trusts or corporate societies as the distributors of community benefit money from pokie machines. Within a year’s time it passes over responsibility for those distributions to special committees of local authorities with a majority of representation from community organisations, which are sort of modelled on the Creative New Zealand creative communities fund committees and the former Hillary Commission local committees. I might say that this section has been a major discussion point in some submissions to me from some trusts who believe that they are doing things by the book, if you like, but even they admit that not everything is as it should be. So I look forward to the ideas from the industry.

Fifthly, gamblers who are having problems with their behaviour when using pokie machines, frequently have their problems exacerbated by losing track of the amount of losses or of the passage of time. Gamblers could more often be able to manage their gambling if pokie-machine venue operators were obliged to keep track of each gambler’s overall losses and time spent gambling through using common technological devices like player tracking systems. If, in addition, gamblers were equipped with pre-commit cards in which gamblers pre-set, away from the gambling venue, limits on the amounts of losses and time spent gambling on pokie machines, then they could restore control over their own behaviour and greatly reduce the problems they could face from pokie gambling.

This bill proposes making such player tracking devices and pre-commit cards a required condition of a pokie-machine venue operator’s licence as issued by the Secretary of Internal Affairs.

Finally, there is no dispute over the fact that gambling is extremely destructive to individuals, wh?nau, and communities in the way in which they impact on the quality of life for wh?nau and inhibit their capacity to control and manage their own lives.

We know the answers lie in individual and whanau ownership and accountability around the problems of gambling. But Government quite rightly so – has a powerful role to play in creating healthy environments for changes and this is what this bill aims to do.

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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Gambling Harm Reduction Bill - Dyson identifies the big question

 

Ruth Dyson, Labour, Port Hills, Chrictchurch

The bigger question, from my point of view, is how do we fund social-good activity in our community, how do we resource that activity, without being dependent on pokie machines? That is the nub of the question. Let us not divide our communities, particularly between racing and other activities, because it gets us off the primary purpose of the debate, which is about what we want in our society, what we want in our communities, and how we ensure that the organisations we entrust to perform or support those activities are able to do so without resorting to gambling money. We as a society have moved to a high level of dependency and we must have the strength to break that dependency if we are going to move, at the same time, away from the harm that problem gambling causes to our communities

hansard, 4 april

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Embarrassing it came from my football administrators. Shame on them.

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Te Ururoa Flavell is going right up in my estimation at the moment.

This bill targets exactly the areas that I would have chosen myself as needing reform.

Mainland Football, however, need to take a good hard look in the mirror.

If you play football in Christchurch please contact them and tell them to re-think their position. Contact the club reps on the Board and tell them you will not be voting for them again. They should be listening to their stakeholders.

 

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terminator_x wrote:
If you play football in Christchurch please contact them and tell them to re-think their position. Contact the club reps on the Board and tell them you will not be voting for them again. They should be listening to their stakeholders.

Lol there are none.

Mainland have based their response to the bill aorund their perception of what is best for the sport. Fair enough not everyone agrees but their is a complete lack of balance here. Ok the current system isn't flawless but care needs to be taken not to throw the baby out with the bath water. The council here in ChCh have really struggled lately, would they then be the appropriate body to see the proposed changes through? The proposed bill is no panacea to problem gambling and would severely harm the provision funding to sport. As an administrator in a club that does rely on gaming funding I wouldn't support the bill. I would support the current bill and encourage proper use of it (i.e. no stake money for horse racing and truly independent trusts).

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Rknow, if the reason to campaign against the bill is based on protecting existing funding, whilst I empathise with the clubs and understand the implications, it still doesn't make it right. I can't hand on heart say the proposed new system will work bettr or worse; but i do know it will work different, and we all know the trusts distribution of gaming funds needs a completer overhaul. There is no transparency of process, relationships are kings etc I think we - as a society and communities  - have to face up to how to fund sporting and other community work. All sports have known this day would come sometime. The smart ones have been planning for it by developing other revenue streams, and for gaming funding to be an ever-lower percentage of their income stream. I know one Chch club planning on buying a pub for chrissake! Is that what football has come to? Another model is needed.

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Ronaldoknow wrote:

The council here in ChCh have really struggled lately, would they then be the appropriate body to see the proposed changes through? 

With all the stuff that's been taken away from the council, they're looking for something to do!

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Rknow, if the reason to campaign against the bill is based on protecting existing funding, whilst I empathise with the clubs and understand the implications, it still doesn't make it right. I can't hand on heart say the proposed new system will work bettr or worse; but i do know it will work different, and we all know the trusts distribution of gaming funds needs a completer overhaul. There is no transparency of process, relationships are kings etc I think we - as a society and communities  - have to face up to how to fund sporting and other community work. All sports have known this day would come sometime. The smart ones have been planning for it by developing other revenue streams, and for gaming funding to be an ever-lower percentage of their income stream. I know one Chch club planning on buying a pub for chrissake! Is that what football has come to? Another model is needed.

I agree another model is needed but disagree that the proposed bill is the way to go. I think the disruption this will cause to clubs, RSO's etc. makes it too hard on them. You are talking about people's livelihoods here. Reality is no matter how you deal with it there will always be problem gamblers, and a shortage of funding for sport to levels we would all like to see. I'm not saying don't change the system, just don't bag Mainland for looking out for our sport in our own neck of the woods.

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Ronaldoknow wrote:

The council here in ChCh have really struggled lately, would they then be the appropriate body to see the proposed changes through? 

With all the stuff that's been taken away from the council, they're looking for something to do!

Brilliant! The dysfunctional looking after the dysfunctional! Love it, that's a cunning plan if ever I saw one :-)

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Wow, unbelievable as it may seem I find myself in the position of actually agreeing (mostly) with something Michael Laws has written:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-times/columnists/7114515/Farming-the-addicts-for-the-greater-good

At heart, we know pokies are bad. Everyone knows this. We have only allowed them to become established in New Zealand because, we argue, they have beneficial ends. Sporting and community groups say that they will grow sick and die unless their own addiction to gambling revenue continues to be met.

I say, let them die. If their argument is that they must visit evil upon the vulnerable to do good with the willing, then the price is too high. But sports administrators profess not to be moralists. Or, it appears, even human.

Of course, Laws can't resist going completely over the top but it's hard not to agree with the sentiment of what he's saying. I agree that it's shameful the way the gaming trusts and their "clients" have approached this debate. I'm also surprised at how little discussion it's generated here. Too many people worried about not getting a free track-suit in future?

 

 

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All teams at my club in Chch were given 'petition' forms to sign opposing the bill. I refused and was told "the club would die without gaming machine money"; "your subs will increase"; there will be no free pairs of socks" etc

 

Gotta agree with you Terminator - precious little debate on these forums. Either due to massive ignorance of how clubs are financed; head in the sand attitude; or the massive FEAR, FEAR, FEAR campaign in place.

 

Fast forward to the future guys n gals - that money is not going to be available the way it has been to date. Time to face the reality and start planning accordingly. People gotta realise they've been on a juicy gravy train but there is a train smash just around the next bend. Time to get off that track.

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Also, just for balance, here's Gareth Morgan's take on it (which I've only just come across):

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/7063945/Politics-and-pokies-a-bad-mix

While Gareth makes a good point that local councils might not be the best place to re-locate the distribution of pokie money (for a range of reasons) he gets pretty much everything else wrong.

He's obviously never been in the position of having to fill out a gaming funds application and then hope for the best (or even worse then having to deal with a venue or trust putting dodgy conditions on you receiving funding). His statement that "It is then left to trustees, each with the fiduciary duty of care that a trustee must assume (there's no political dodging open to trustees) to decide the allocation in accordance with those parliamentary principles" is not just completely naive, it's laughable.

He's basically arguing an ideaological point rather than the reality of what community organisations are facing.

 

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I'd like to think I have done my bit for the cause. I have refused to hand out the petition to my team, let my club know my opinions on the matter, made a submission to the select committee, chucked a few anonymous comments on the stuff.co.nz forum, 'disliked' some facebook propaganda asking for support to get rid of the bill, and dropped a few lines here and there on this thread and the MPL one. 

It's a tough one in this climate of mega-support for the right-wing politics when it comes to looking after the most vulnerable in our community. And I'm not talking about little Billy not getting a training jacket from his club in the cold!

 

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