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Former A-League coach Nick Theodorakopoulos has made an impassioned plea for continued A-League expansion to include a second tier A-League which would lead to relegation and promotion battles.
I love the idea of P/R but don't know how the Aussie Market would fund it.
Gangsta!2009-09-25 15:43:56
Former A-League coach Nick Theodorakopoulos has made an impassioned plea for continued A-League expansion to include a second tier A-League which would lead to relegation and promotion battles.
I love the idea of P/R but don't know how the Aussie Market would fund it.
Gangsta!2009-09-25 15:43:56
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Man's a loon. Three clubs truggling financially, FFA having to fund West Sydney and he wants a 2nd tier ?
Tell him he's dreaming.
Tell him he's dreaming.
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Blue Gristle - the Throb's supporters
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Promo/rel would be great - but we are not magically going to create an entire sustainable second division by the click of fingers
also, gotta laugh at his rationale - "to prepare players for the rigours and pressure of football overseas" (words to that effect). that is tripe.
Marius Lacatus2009-09-25 16:04:11
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Complete nuts. It'll never happen.
Getting spurned for the Melb Heart coaching job has messed with his mind.
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people seem to forget that football is like any other product, you can't just magically start supplying a product unless there is a market or a demand for it
Normo's coming home
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Piss off back to Wollongong, Theodoracropolis!
"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009
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If FFA follows the type of approach that JFA did with the J-league, then we are over 10 years away to getting any infrastructure in place and thats including having minimal criteria for the second tier A-league to include any competitive semi-professional teams to make the numbers if they are able to do so (but are restricted from going to the first tier A-league until they meet full sustainable entry criteria.) unfortunately it would include revamped existing ('ethnic') clubs that changes to new franchises for the second tier.
How many teams can they cap off? Do they really want dog eat dog system that they would have a lower division under the second tier?
FFA has already announce a future intentions to have second tier league competition to comply with AFC policy and open up more ACL places for A-league teams. What and how they are going to sell it, is another matter.
How many teams can they cap off? Do they really want dog eat dog system that they would have a lower division under the second tier?
FFA has already announce a future intentions to have second tier league competition to comply with AFC policy and open up more ACL places for A-league teams. What and how they are going to sell it, is another matter.
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If FFA follows the type of approach that JFA did with the J-league, then we are over 10 years away to getting any infrastructure in place and thats including having minimal criteria for the second tier A-league to include any competitive semi-professional teams to make the numbers if they are able to do so (but are restricted from going to the first tier A-league until they meet full sustainable entry criteria.) unfortunately it would include revamped existing ('ethnic') clubs that changes to new franchises for the second tier.
How many teams can they cap off? Do they really want dog eat dog system that they would have a lower division under the second tier?
FFA has already announce a future intentions to have second tier league competition to comply with AFC policy and open up more ACL places for A-league teams. What and how they are going to sell it, is another matter.
How many teams can they cap off? Do they really want dog eat dog system that they would have a lower division under the second tier?
FFA has already announce a future intentions to have second tier league competition to comply with AFC policy and open up more ACL places for A-league teams. What and how they are going to sell it, is another matter.
Its a great idea but for the time being very pie in the sky for a second tier.
As most of you know it took about 28 years between the foundation of the old division one/second division and the third division and even longer for the fourth in England.
As for the foundation teams in 1892, most of them had been in existence far longer then any of the current A-League teams barring Perth.
Footie was cheap then unlike now so surely when you add sponsorship, salaries, playing ability, facilities etc it would be at least another 15-20 years before we would be able to see a second tier with out significantly lowering the quality of the league and playing standard.
disco_mart2009-09-29 11:25:51
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Well this what I mean about capping the number of teams.
Do we go and have more teams in an extended league to get more games per season? Can FFA extend the season with the usage of the grounds with other sports. We already share the grounds with other sport. So it's going to take time to get some sole ownership of grounds and lend it out to other sports rather than the other way round.
Or because of the management quality of the clubs, is it better to count our losses at a certain criteria point and create a poor quality second tier league competition so these clubs can get their teams out playing competitively.
The second tier league playing quality would have to sort itself out eventually with FFA support. When some of the AL2 clubs have fulfilled their criteria, they can apply to be admitted into AL1 to increase the suitable number of clubs need to have a sustainably long enough season. Once they get their club number, FFA can focus on building AL2 in terms of club numbers and their criteria suitability. Then we can have proper promotion and relegation between the two.
I would honestly prefer this approach from the FFA. It would take long but the clubs are nurtured and looked after and the most successful clubs will show that there are practical sustainable support and not on paper alone.
Since they would be less in club numbers in the second tier. Under this scheme, NZ could theoretically build up two Auckland teams and a South Island team from Christchurch in the second tier because the budget would be similar as the NZFC and the O-league commitments. If we are lucky, another NZ team can find themselves being promoted into AL1.
We could still keep NZFC as a summer feeder cubs and as third tier on the NZ football pyramid.
Who cares about O-League then? . . . Maybe if we do a small knockout between the NZ teams (which includes the top two NZFC teams) to determine our NZ champion for the O-league then that is maybe all we need.
. . . this sort of thing does boogles the mind a bit because of the potential, but like you said it will be pie in the sky until maybe 10-15 years later and a new generation before there is some real movement.
Hopefully by then, having a few more teams will open more career pathways with association football as a strong sport career option for people.AllWhitebelievr2009-09-29 14:45:23
Do we go and have more teams in an extended league to get more games per season? Can FFA extend the season with the usage of the grounds with other sports. We already share the grounds with other sport. So it's going to take time to get some sole ownership of grounds and lend it out to other sports rather than the other way round.
Or because of the management quality of the clubs, is it better to count our losses at a certain criteria point and create a poor quality second tier league competition so these clubs can get their teams out playing competitively.
The second tier league playing quality would have to sort itself out eventually with FFA support. When some of the AL2 clubs have fulfilled their criteria, they can apply to be admitted into AL1 to increase the suitable number of clubs need to have a sustainably long enough season. Once they get their club number, FFA can focus on building AL2 in terms of club numbers and their criteria suitability. Then we can have proper promotion and relegation between the two.
I would honestly prefer this approach from the FFA. It would take long but the clubs are nurtured and looked after and the most successful clubs will show that there are practical sustainable support and not on paper alone.
Since they would be less in club numbers in the second tier. Under this scheme, NZ could theoretically build up two Auckland teams and a South Island team from Christchurch in the second tier because the budget would be similar as the NZFC and the O-league commitments. If we are lucky, another NZ team can find themselves being promoted into AL1.
We could still keep NZFC as a summer feeder cubs and as third tier on the NZ football pyramid.
Who cares about O-League then? . . . Maybe if we do a small knockout between the NZ teams (which includes the top two NZFC teams) to determine our NZ champion for the O-league then that is maybe all we need.
. . . this sort of thing does boogles the mind a bit because of the potential, but like you said it will be pie in the sky until maybe 10-15 years later and a new generation before there is some real movement.
Hopefully by then, having a few more teams will open more career pathways with association football as a strong sport career option for people.AllWhitebelievr2009-09-29 14:45:23
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