Telfer comes clean: "I wish my boys had played rugby not football...opps...soccer."
Friday, 9-10am.
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Why isnt Telfer a censored word on this forum? like El**ch is...
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A predictable hour of t***er talkback. Basically, soccer mums are the root of all rugby's evils. The All Blacks got knocked out the 2007 RWC because of evil soccer. Rugby is safer than soccer. Rugby offers more comradery than evil soccer. Death to the white middle class soccer lovers. "I broke a thumb playing soccer - never did that in rugby." Rugby is so much harder - therefore it must be better. We need more Kiwi hardmen. t***er hates his sons. Soccer traitors. Let the kids decide what sport they want to play - but if they decide soccer - they must be physically inferior, therefore disown them. Joseph Romanos hates "soccer moms." Shock horror. Rugby has more "safe-guards" than soccer...
t***er seemed to "conveniently" forget the other arguments. Soccer. World sport? More skillful? Some kids perhaps prefer it more than good ole rugger?
"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."
Adolf Hitler.
Stevo2008-06-27 15:44:41
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I realise some of that was exaggerated (actually...probably wasnt)
But seriously? Thats shocking...
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Pathetic really, wasn't it.
t***ers reply to every pro football call was .. Yes but...
What is he, the NZRFU Government funded promoter.
At one stage he said he asks his sons at the beginning of every season, do you want to play rugby this year? "No Dad. Get over it. Go and watch Netball".
Anderson's comments were as bad. "We have decided to make rugby more enjoyable and fun for the kids to play. we've been doing it for five years now". WOW!!! So up until then they had only been playing it because their friends would call them sissys if they didnt.
Those that were patronising to football in NZ in the past are now having to work for their dollars. And Fans.
t***ers reply to every pro football call was .. Yes but...
What is he, the NZRFU Government funded promoter.
At one stage he said he asks his sons at the beginning of every season, do you want to play rugby this year? "No Dad. Get over it. Go and watch Netball".
Anderson's comments were as bad. "We have decided to make rugby more enjoyable and fun for the kids to play. we've been doing it for five years now". WOW!!! So up until then they had only been playing it because their friends would call them sissys if they didnt.
Those that were patronising to football in NZ in the past are now having to work for their dollars. And Fans.
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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."
Adolf Hitler.
He also said, when talking about All Black coaches,
For there is one thing we must never forget... the majority can never replace the man.
And of the mighty Phoenix. "Our one not the Third Reich's
We shall not capitulate... no never. We may be destroyed, but if we are, we shall drag a world with us... a world in flames, back into the ashes. (I added the last bit).
uiron2008-06-27 14:53:06
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Does t***er call him self a journalist? If so, you'd think he would be able to call up ACC and actually find some stats on his claim regarding injury rates between Football and Rugby. 2ndBest2008-06-27 15:05:44
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[sarcasm]A very unbiased discussion from t***er[/sarcasm]
I am sure there are more reasons why kids choose soccer football! Even events like European championships and world cups are such good adverts for the game, it is truly a global game. Not even going to discuss the differences in skill sets, tactical nous, intellect and coordination needed to play football compared to rugby.
And to think that if I played rugby in 4th form I would have been a lock, woop dee f**king hoo. Stuck in a ruck and lucky to touch the ball, other than in a lineout, a few times a game. Now i am a classy midfielder in Div 12
Bullion2008-06-27 17:25:54
I am sure there are more reasons why kids choose soccer football! Even events like European championships and world cups are such good adverts for the game, it is truly a global game. Not even going to discuss the differences in skill sets, tactical nous, intellect and coordination needed to play football compared to rugby.
And to think that if I played rugby in 4th form I would have been a lock, woop dee f**king hoo. Stuck in a ruck and lucky to touch the ball, other than in a lineout, a few times a game. Now i am a classy midfielder in Div 12
Bullion2008-06-27 17:25:54
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Is Football actually safer than Rugby in New Zealand? From what i've seen in games up here i'd say there isn't much difference.
Three for me, and two for them.
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That's a pretty fair call Buffy, especially in the lower divisions where there's no proper referees.
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I think t***er has been a little misrepresented here. In the first call he takes, he's actualy quite positive about supporting his own boys playing football on Satrudays. . . In spite of the fact I tihnk the guy is a drongo, I don't think his attitude to footy is as bad as is being made out.
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i listened to the hour and i dont think people here are representing it very fairly. i thought t***er was quite balanced, didnt hear anyone having a go at football. i think some people on here tend to be a little precious
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I listen to 15 minutes of it and T***er was misrepresenting the stats concerning safety, Generally there are just as much injuries in Football as there are in Rugby. The actual stats are that the injuries are in different places on the body and the injuries in Rugby are more serious ones concerning the spine, muscle tears and shoulders compared to knees, ankles, and a bit more head concussions of football.
Anyway, I was going to a meeting so I couldn't ring in. But there is a point that in the rural country Rugby is more dominant than football because of the old boys set up with more money than football clubs, but the urban areas, the football by numbers are gaining strength,
There was a piece where a Rugby mother rang up and said that Rubgy had a better set up with speeches, prizes and a better social get together, there a better community and feel more welcome. Of course, this woman is in the rural area where football clubs have little if no resources. Of course, it seems she hasn't seen a real football club that acts the same if not more. But T***er allowed her to say this bit and would not give obvious balance against this view. What a bias radio jock. He knows that it is not true, he's been to his son's football club after function.
However it is true that they do play junior rugby by weight and are not introduce to scrums until later on. That is a rugby safeguard.
T***er loves netball because the girls like his male views on the women dominated sport. But even Rugby supporters know that he has no idea about Rugby stuff and think he is a Drongo themself.
I think should take him with a grain of salt.
Anyway, I was going to a meeting so I couldn't ring in. But there is a point that in the rural country Rugby is more dominant than football because of the old boys set up with more money than football clubs, but the urban areas, the football by numbers are gaining strength,
There was a piece where a Rugby mother rang up and said that Rubgy had a better set up with speeches, prizes and a better social get together, there a better community and feel more welcome. Of course, this woman is in the rural area where football clubs have little if no resources. Of course, it seems she hasn't seen a real football club that acts the same if not more. But T***er allowed her to say this bit and would not give obvious balance against this view. What a bias radio jock. He knows that it is not true, he's been to his son's football club after function.
However it is true that they do play junior rugby by weight and are not introduce to scrums until later on. That is a rugby safeguard.
T***er loves netball because the girls like his male views on the women dominated sport. But even Rugby supporters know that he has no idea about Rugby stuff and think he is a Drongo themself.
I think should take him with a grain of salt.
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Had a laugh at work recently,getting the usual GAYball comments from this d--khead I work with,when someone said RUGBY isn,t that an anagram of BUGRY.
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It seems TV 3 is now showing "all blacks" adverts in the guise of sports "news"
Twice this week the our national rugger team were seen in long segments either
- handing out rain jackets to low decile schools - jackets with a huge "addidas" on the back, ans the required logo on the front
- at a school promoting the new weetbix rugby cards and computer game
Both were, to my mind, blatant advertising - again cynically aimed at getting children back to Rugby
Twice this week the our national rugger team were seen in long segments either
- handing out rain jackets to low decile schools - jackets with a huge "addidas" on the back, ans the required logo on the front
- at a school promoting the new weetbix rugby cards and computer game
Both were, to my mind, blatant advertising - again cynically aimed at getting children back to Rugby
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i listened to the hour and i dont think people here are representing it very fairly. i thought t***er was quite balanced, didnt hear anyone having a go at football. i think some people on here tend to be a little precious
My earlier post was more directed at his total defence of rugby. You are right. He was very careful not to rubbish football. He knew he would get a backlash if he did
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It seems TV 3 is now showing "all blacks" adverts in the guise of sports "news"
Twice this week the our national rugger team were seen in long segments either
- handing out rain jackets to low decile schools - jackets with a huge "addidas" on the back, ans the required logo on the front
- at a school promoting the new weetbix rugby cards and computer game
Both were, to my mind, blatant advertising - again cynically aimed at getting children back to Rugby
Twice this week the our national rugger team were seen in long segments either
- handing out rain jackets to low decile schools - jackets with a huge "addidas" on the back, ans the required logo on the front
- at a school promoting the new weetbix rugby cards and computer game
Both were, to my mind, blatant advertising - again cynically aimed at getting children back to Rugby
the raincoat thing was the all black launching their charity for the year, the program revolves simply around giving kids raincoats. i dont think thats a bad thing to have on the news. tv1 carried it as well.
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It seems TV 3 is now showing "all blacks" adverts in the guise of sports "news"
Twice this week the our national rugger team were seen in long segments either
- handing out rain jackets to low decile schools - jackets with a huge "addidas" on the back, ans the required logo on the front
- at a school promoting the new weetbix rugby cards and computer game
Both were, to my mind, blatant advertising - again cynically aimed at getting children back to Rugby
Twice this week the our national rugger team were seen in long segments either
- handing out rain jackets to low decile schools - jackets with a huge "addidas" on the back, ans the required logo on the front
- at a school promoting the new weetbix rugby cards and computer game
Both were, to my mind, blatant advertising - again cynically aimed at getting children back to Rugby
I think the former is a bit different - the All Blacks should be congratulated and recognised for their community work. Heck, I'm a Wallabies supporter and I've been impressed by them in the past. It's valid news, and it also brings some attention to the charity as well - some All Blacks fans might donate to said charity to feel like part of the team.
The latter is very much an adverstisement though 
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Funny how many problems you have we have to so I thought I'd post (most likely a repost) this article from Simon Hill when he was still at SBS. One of the best articles I've ever read and one that perfectly sums up the conservative media's approach to football in this Australia and maybe NZ as well ......
Simon Hill (SBS - The World Game Presenter)
Can you? If you live in Sydney, you'll hardly be able to breathe for the pungent stench. The egg-ballers are starting to sweat - and the putrid odour of fear is enveloping the Harbour City in the only way it knows how...via the pages of the city's newspapers. In all my years in football, I've never witnessed such an intense, vitriolic campaign against the game I - and millions of others - love with a passion.
It all started two weeks ago with an odious article written by a guy called Paul Kent in the Daily Telegraph. Entitled 'Dress for distress, hooligans with flare', Kent wrote a piece so drenched in fear and hatred - not just
of football but of the 'ethnics' - he almost drowned in his own invective. Now I don't know Paul Kent - I've never met him - but I have it on good authority that he is a Rugby League journalist. As he works for the Telegraph (owned by News Limited, which in turn owns the rights to the NRL), then it's a fair guess he's no great fan of our game.
Fair enough.
I'm no great fan of AFL - which is why I rarely touch upon it in opinion pieces, because I don't understand it and it's of no interest to me. The question then, is why are Kent and his like sticking the boot in? Well, the answer is clear. Rugby League in particular is feeling very uneasy about football's big year.
The A-League is just around the corner, Harry Kewell is about to play in a Champions League final, and the national team have another chance to qualify for the World Cup. But it's the move to Asia that has really browned the trousers of the egg-ball scribblers. They know full well the impact this could have on the other football codes...and League in particular.
Rugby League holds a unique position in Australian sport - it's neither a national code, nor a minor code. Due to it's stranglehold in Sydney and Brisbane it gains much more attention than it probably deserves. Ask people in Perth, Adelaide, Melbourne and Darwin about League, and they'll more than likely shrug their shoulders.
Australian Rules Football has long since outwitted it in terms of being the biggest spectator sport - and Rugby Union with it's Commonwealth...sorry, World Cup, is starting to make inroads in to its traditional territories
too.
It can ill afford another rival in its heartlands - and so, football, with local glamour club Sydney FC starting to grab some attention, gets its ritual kicking. Dwight Yorke, Pierre Littbarski, Anthony La Paglia - these are names known and respected worldwide, and the League scribes don't like it...not one little bit.
Kent's article was actually just the latest in a long line of
carefully-worded digs at the world game by the Telegraph. For months it has been running a campaign aimed at discrediting the sport.
Just to cite a few examples, we've had stories on how 'Soccer over 35'sgetting injured in Sunday league games are a drain on the health service' as well as 'How soccer gives you brain injuries by repeated heading of the
ball' through to the usual guff about 'ethnic' hooligans threatening totear the very fabric of Australian society apart...oh, and the quitefrankly bizarre resurrection of the Frank Farina-Andrew Orsatti story that allowed football lovers such as Mike Gibson to get involved.
These articles are very 'Rugby League' - a game where the only skills required are to be able to catch the ball, run with it and hit very hard.
And that's exactly what others have done. The Sydney Morning Herald - led by football hater in-chief Peter Fitzsimmons, (wonderfully irked by having to call the sport by its proper name under the Herald's new policy) - has grabbed the ball, run with it, and waded in with some gems of its own. Check out last weekend's offering by someone called Stephen Gibbs, who slammed the game using the usual stereotypes. I'll pick out a few quotes
for you from Gibbs's article, and you'll get the gist.
* 'I always thought it was a game for sissies' (sheilas - tick!)
* 'Anyone calling soccer football with an accent is probably certifiable'(wogs - tick!),
* 'Other football codes use athletic men and gorgeous women to promote their game' (poofters - tick, and that's a full house!).
Johnny Warren will be turning in his grave - after years of fighting this prejudicial garbage, the title of his autobiography has been vindicated in one, painfully ill-informed piece. Anthony La Paglia comes in for a bit of stick during the piece too - which is strange, considering he is considered a bit of an Aussie hero. But it seems if he likes 'soccer' - then he reverts to being 'just another wog'.
Sad, very sad indeed.
Even The Australian wades in with some uninformed comments. A throwaway line it may have been in a column called 'Strewth' but it underlines the fact that the concept of a 'fair go' in this country still doesn't apply to our game. The paper sneers at the concept of the A-League striving for excellence when 'the Central Coast Mariners had to order a coach to take them by road to Adelaide for the Club World Championship Qualifying Final'. (This was before the switch to Gosford incidentally.)
Now, the article contains a half-truth. The Mariners most certainly DID order a coach...for the short trip to Sydney airport. Which I would have thought is perfectly normal for a team from the coast? It looks slightly different when you know the truth eh?
The problem for football with this type of journalism is that it DOES impact on the general public - at a time when the sport is trying to make a transition from old to new. The League crowd know this - and they are trying everything in their power to keep the game small, ignoring the strident efforts made by FFA to rid the game of it's problems (yes, we know there are some), and the fact that many of their readers love the game.
You want small? I'll give you small. This week's Braith Anasta situation highlighted League's problems perfectly. Coveted by the New South Wales Waratahs who can offer him Super 12 rugby (okay, trips to New Zealand and South Africa may not seem much, but it's a start) and a potentially meaningful international career, Anasta's club side responded with a mighty
comeback.
What could the Bulldogs give young Braith to tempt him to stay the reporters asked? The answer - continuity. Yup, that's all folks! More of the same. Another trip to Penrith...a once a year sojourn over the Tasman to play the Warriors, maybe an annual trip to Wigan. Tough choice Braith.
League's failure to penetrate nationally is exacerbated by its complete lack of international profile. Last year it seemed they were going some way to redeem that with the launch of the Tri-Nations series, which initially proved a huge success.
Problem is, when really put to the test, Australia simply crushed Great Britain like they've done for the last forty years, and on their return, NRL coaches retreated in to their provincialism, claiming the tournament was 'too long' and 'could impact on the domestic season'. I'll tell you what guys - YOU stay small, you know it makes sense.
How the League boys must long for the days when the only access to Australia was by boat, and the only television coverage was local and parochial. No overseas football to contend with, no glamour from elsewhere giving Australians a flavour of something different.
Well, the world has changed, and League knows Asia, with its tough international qualifying zone and cash-rich Champions League offers something that it can never, ever compete with.
The irony of the League crowd is that on the one hand, they preach about how disgraceful the crowd incidents are at football - yet in the same breath, revel in photos of 'big, tough' players on the pitch trying to rip each others heads off. How does that work exactly? (Oh, and while we're about it, isn't giving someone a 'wedgie' just a teensy bit poofy boys?)
But there's another, much bigger, irony that hasn't been touched on at all by the media in Sydney. On the same day as the 'soccer riots' took place between Sydney United and Bonnyrigg in Parramatta (arrest count single
figures), rather more trouble was afoot across town at the Rugby League game between St. George and the Sydney Roosters - twenty eight arrests to be exact. Anyone read that in their Sydney paper in the days that followed? No? Me either.
Fights at the League game? Just the lads having too much beer, that's all. Fights at the 'soccer'? Ethnic warfare - that's the message from Sydney's media.
All of which wouldn't be so bad if there was some balance somewhere - but so far, only ABC televisions' The Glasshouse programme has managed to take a stab at the difference in coverage, labelling some of the reporting at worst, 'racist'. Couldn't have put it better myself.
So, what can we do about it? Well, making your feelings known is one way -but I'd prefer a different approach. Vote with your feet. If you truly love the game, support the A-League and make it a rip-roaring success by going to matches. That's the only way we can put this type of crass journalism to bed for good."
Midfielder2008-06-29 00:22:01
Makes me smile each time I read it. This article got right up the noses of the established media and has become folklaw in many ways ...... enjoy if you have not read before ........ re enjoy if read before.
"Can you smell the fear?
"Can you smell the fear?
Simon Hill (SBS - The World Game Presenter)
Can you? If you live in Sydney, you'll hardly be able to breathe for the pungent stench. The egg-ballers are starting to sweat - and the putrid odour of fear is enveloping the Harbour City in the only way it knows how...via the pages of the city's newspapers. In all my years in football, I've never witnessed such an intense, vitriolic campaign against the game I - and millions of others - love with a passion.
It all started two weeks ago with an odious article written by a guy called Paul Kent in the Daily Telegraph. Entitled 'Dress for distress, hooligans with flare', Kent wrote a piece so drenched in fear and hatred - not just
of football but of the 'ethnics' - he almost drowned in his own invective. Now I don't know Paul Kent - I've never met him - but I have it on good authority that he is a Rugby League journalist. As he works for the Telegraph (owned by News Limited, which in turn owns the rights to the NRL), then it's a fair guess he's no great fan of our game.
Fair enough.
I'm no great fan of AFL - which is why I rarely touch upon it in opinion pieces, because I don't understand it and it's of no interest to me. The question then, is why are Kent and his like sticking the boot in? Well, the answer is clear. Rugby League in particular is feeling very uneasy about football's big year.
The A-League is just around the corner, Harry Kewell is about to play in a Champions League final, and the national team have another chance to qualify for the World Cup. But it's the move to Asia that has really browned the trousers of the egg-ball scribblers. They know full well the impact this could have on the other football codes...and League in particular.
Rugby League holds a unique position in Australian sport - it's neither a national code, nor a minor code. Due to it's stranglehold in Sydney and Brisbane it gains much more attention than it probably deserves. Ask people in Perth, Adelaide, Melbourne and Darwin about League, and they'll more than likely shrug their shoulders.
Australian Rules Football has long since outwitted it in terms of being the biggest spectator sport - and Rugby Union with it's Commonwealth...sorry, World Cup, is starting to make inroads in to its traditional territories
too.
It can ill afford another rival in its heartlands - and so, football, with local glamour club Sydney FC starting to grab some attention, gets its ritual kicking. Dwight Yorke, Pierre Littbarski, Anthony La Paglia - these are names known and respected worldwide, and the League scribes don't like it...not one little bit.
Kent's article was actually just the latest in a long line of
carefully-worded digs at the world game by the Telegraph. For months it has been running a campaign aimed at discrediting the sport.
Just to cite a few examples, we've had stories on how 'Soccer over 35'sgetting injured in Sunday league games are a drain on the health service' as well as 'How soccer gives you brain injuries by repeated heading of the
ball' through to the usual guff about 'ethnic' hooligans threatening totear the very fabric of Australian society apart...oh, and the quitefrankly bizarre resurrection of the Frank Farina-Andrew Orsatti story that allowed football lovers such as Mike Gibson to get involved.
These articles are very 'Rugby League' - a game where the only skills required are to be able to catch the ball, run with it and hit very hard.
And that's exactly what others have done. The Sydney Morning Herald - led by football hater in-chief Peter Fitzsimmons, (wonderfully irked by having to call the sport by its proper name under the Herald's new policy) - has grabbed the ball, run with it, and waded in with some gems of its own. Check out last weekend's offering by someone called Stephen Gibbs, who slammed the game using the usual stereotypes. I'll pick out a few quotes
for you from Gibbs's article, and you'll get the gist.
* 'I always thought it was a game for sissies' (sheilas - tick!)
* 'Anyone calling soccer football with an accent is probably certifiable'(wogs - tick!),
* 'Other football codes use athletic men and gorgeous women to promote their game' (poofters - tick, and that's a full house!).
Johnny Warren will be turning in his grave - after years of fighting this prejudicial garbage, the title of his autobiography has been vindicated in one, painfully ill-informed piece. Anthony La Paglia comes in for a bit of stick during the piece too - which is strange, considering he is considered a bit of an Aussie hero. But it seems if he likes 'soccer' - then he reverts to being 'just another wog'.
Sad, very sad indeed.
Even The Australian wades in with some uninformed comments. A throwaway line it may have been in a column called 'Strewth' but it underlines the fact that the concept of a 'fair go' in this country still doesn't apply to our game. The paper sneers at the concept of the A-League striving for excellence when 'the Central Coast Mariners had to order a coach to take them by road to Adelaide for the Club World Championship Qualifying Final'. (This was before the switch to Gosford incidentally.)
Now, the article contains a half-truth. The Mariners most certainly DID order a coach...for the short trip to Sydney airport. Which I would have thought is perfectly normal for a team from the coast? It looks slightly different when you know the truth eh?
The problem for football with this type of journalism is that it DOES impact on the general public - at a time when the sport is trying to make a transition from old to new. The League crowd know this - and they are trying everything in their power to keep the game small, ignoring the strident efforts made by FFA to rid the game of it's problems (yes, we know there are some), and the fact that many of their readers love the game.
You want small? I'll give you small. This week's Braith Anasta situation highlighted League's problems perfectly. Coveted by the New South Wales Waratahs who can offer him Super 12 rugby (okay, trips to New Zealand and South Africa may not seem much, but it's a start) and a potentially meaningful international career, Anasta's club side responded with a mighty
comeback.
What could the Bulldogs give young Braith to tempt him to stay the reporters asked? The answer - continuity. Yup, that's all folks! More of the same. Another trip to Penrith...a once a year sojourn over the Tasman to play the Warriors, maybe an annual trip to Wigan. Tough choice Braith.
League's failure to penetrate nationally is exacerbated by its complete lack of international profile. Last year it seemed they were going some way to redeem that with the launch of the Tri-Nations series, which initially proved a huge success.
Problem is, when really put to the test, Australia simply crushed Great Britain like they've done for the last forty years, and on their return, NRL coaches retreated in to their provincialism, claiming the tournament was 'too long' and 'could impact on the domestic season'. I'll tell you what guys - YOU stay small, you know it makes sense.
How the League boys must long for the days when the only access to Australia was by boat, and the only television coverage was local and parochial. No overseas football to contend with, no glamour from elsewhere giving Australians a flavour of something different.
Well, the world has changed, and League knows Asia, with its tough international qualifying zone and cash-rich Champions League offers something that it can never, ever compete with.
The irony of the League crowd is that on the one hand, they preach about how disgraceful the crowd incidents are at football - yet in the same breath, revel in photos of 'big, tough' players on the pitch trying to rip each others heads off. How does that work exactly? (Oh, and while we're about it, isn't giving someone a 'wedgie' just a teensy bit poofy boys?)
But there's another, much bigger, irony that hasn't been touched on at all by the media in Sydney. On the same day as the 'soccer riots' took place between Sydney United and Bonnyrigg in Parramatta (arrest count single
figures), rather more trouble was afoot across town at the Rugby League game between St. George and the Sydney Roosters - twenty eight arrests to be exact. Anyone read that in their Sydney paper in the days that followed? No? Me either.
Fights at the League game? Just the lads having too much beer, that's all. Fights at the 'soccer'? Ethnic warfare - that's the message from Sydney's media.
All of which wouldn't be so bad if there was some balance somewhere - but so far, only ABC televisions' The Glasshouse programme has managed to take a stab at the difference in coverage, labelling some of the reporting at worst, 'racist'. Couldn't have put it better myself.
So, what can we do about it? Well, making your feelings known is one way -but I'd prefer a different approach. Vote with your feet. If you truly love the game, support the A-League and make it a rip-roaring success by going to matches. That's the only way we can put this type of crass journalism to bed for good."
Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei
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that "rugby: it's our game" add annoys me. such a blatant attempt to make people feel guilty about not liking it.
I like tautologies because I like them.
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Football will dominate in this country once all the over-fifty hicks who only know about rugby die off
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Football will dominate in this country once all the over-fifty hicks who only know about rugby die off
Not feeling well myself actually Feverish.
Actually the myth that football only has a footing here because of the British influence through immigration will also go.
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t***er has some good points. There is a concern than kids are getting bullied out of rugby by bigger kids, and that does leave some parents (not just mothers!) wanting to play football instead. And I disagree with them - I've coached youth rugby, I've dealt with the "bigger kids" problem (weight grades have their advantages), and I'd be totally fine with any future child of mine playing rugby someday - even though I'd prefer them to play football and then, when they're old enough, to play lacrosse . Rugby has more risk involved, but risk isn't always a bad thing. Learning how to manage (reduce, remove or minimize) risk and to make appropriate choices is something kids need to learn. We don't need to wrap out kids in cotton wool - we just need to make reasonable allowances.
(Says the bloke who plays a sport where his equipment comes with the warning - "Caution - playing lacrosse may result in death" 
)
That being said, he's absolutely full of it if he thinks football is more dangerous than rugby. That's just jealousy on his part - he could have easily backed it up were it true by checking with the ACC, but decided to scrap journalism in favour of sensationalism.
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t***er has some good points. There is a concern than kids are getting bullied out of rugby by bigger kids, and that does leave some parents (not just mothers!) wanting to play football instead. And I disagree with them - I've coached youth rugby, I've dealt with the "bigger kids" problem (weight grades have their advantages), and I'd be totally fine with any future child of mine playing rugby someday - even though I'd prefer them to play football and then, when they're old enough, to play lacrosse . Rugby has more risk involved, but risk isn't always a bad thing. Learning how to manage (reduce, remove or minimize) risk and to make appropriate choices is something kids need to learn. We don't need to wrap out kids in cotton wool - we just need to make reasonable allowances.
(Says the bloke who plays a sport where his equipment comes with the warning - "Caution - playing lacrosse may result in death" )
That being said, he's absolutely full of it if he thinks football is more dangerous than rugby. That's just jealousy on his part - he could have easily backed it up were it true by checking with the ACC, but decided to scrap journalism in favour of sensationalism.
Well said, I'd support any future child of mine no matter what sport they play. If its what they want then it is what they play. If they play football then go for it. If they do chess then go for it. If they play rugby then also go for it
simon_hampton2008-06-29 17:05:00
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http://www.acc.co.nz/about-acc/acc-injury-statistics-2006/SS_WIM2_063081
T****R SHOULD LOOK AT THIS.
3 TO 1 IN FAVOUR OF RUGBY FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS. (UPTO 2006)
Number of new claims
Cost of claims
Number of ongoing claims
uiron2008-06-29 17:15:05
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i felt it was actually miles davis who may have made the initial suggestion that football was more dangerous than rugby. certainly i heard t***er talking about that as being something miles had said
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Miles was talking about being in Green St on match day v Chelsea
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