Six week stadium loss.

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

The point someone made about other grounds being handed over to RWC teams for training is true. Porirua park is definitely booked for RWC and i would not be surprised to hear that other parks such as QE11 and Carisbrook and maybe even newtown and Hutt park are out too.

Mt Smart is free. Newtown, Porirua and Hutt Rec have bookings. QE2 has 25 days booked. Carisbrook has 15 days booked. Queenstown 14. Baypark 4.

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

It's truly an absolute joke that RWC require the stadium for the ENTIRE duration of the tournament. They can play an All Blacks game 1 night and a Phoenix game the next at any other time, so I fail to see how this can't be done this time. I know it's the 'way it is' but it's completely ridiculous.

As for where to go, my first choice would be the Basin to keep it in Wellington but who knows what will happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Steve-O wrote:

As for where to go, my first choice would be the Basin to keep it in Wellington but who knows what will happen.

You can't take down all advertising around the entire stadium and put it up again the next night, then do it all again. Not feasable

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Royal wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

As for where to go, my first choice would be the Basin to keep it in Wellington but who knows what will happen.

You can't take down all advertising around the entire stadium and put it up again the next night, then do it all again. Not feasable

What advertising are we talking about though? Billboards etc etc? It's still stupid when you think about it...can't use a stadium in case people see some ads for something that they shouldn't. Capitalist PIGS!

Just pisses me off that we are so completely inconvenienced simply because of advertising that nobody really gives a feck about anyway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Buffon II wrote:

Luis Garcia wrote:

Screw dorkland, take the game down south!

Nice mate. Real mature.

Geez you're touchy when people make fun of Auckland..

Allegedly

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Steve-O wrote:

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As for where to go, my first choice would be the Basin to keep it in Wellington but who knows what will happen.

so when fifa does it, thats ok?

i understand y they are doing it, and yea its crap. but it will all sort itself out. it has to, i think the a-league schedule will work around us

Calling all fans in Japan, come down and support the mighty nix in Osaka

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Steve-O wrote:

Royal wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

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As for where to go, my first choice would be the Basin to keep it in Wellington but who knows what will happen.

You can't take down all advertising around the entire stadium and put it up again the next night, then do it all again. Not feasable

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Just pisses me off that we are so completely inconvenienced simply because of advertising that nobody really gives a feck about anyway.

Same sh*t for the Football World Cup - similar hissy fits have been thrown by the AFL regarding Aussie's world cup bid.

a.haak

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

And lets be honest.Who gives a toss about rugby.They had their chance

COYN

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

hamezilla wrote:

And lets be honest.Who gives a toss about rugby.They had their chance

A lot of people do. that's the point.

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I don't think it will be such a big deal. Hopefully FFA will work around us, give us byes/aways games for this time. At worst we'll end up having two, maybe three games, at either Mt Smart, QEII, Bay Park or wherever. Wellington has already given up one home game to Chch this season, the sky won't cave in if one or two more have to go elsewhere during the RWC. Hopefully with a few extra tourists in the country, and by appealing to football fans in different centres, the Nix can pull some decent crowds, make some revenue and increase the fan base despite the inevitable RWC media saturation. Could end up being a good thing.

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

No love for Wanganui's mighty Cooks Gardens :(

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

detoxin wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

As for where to go, my first choice would be the Basin to keep it in Wellington but who knows what will happen.

so when fifa does it, thats ok?

i understand y they are doing it, and yea its crap. but it will all sort itself out. it has to, i think the a-league schedule will work around us

Er, where did I say it was ok when FIFA does it? Or even infer it? Anywhere?

I don't think it's any better if FIFA force clubs out of their ground when a bit of extra work would mean there was a solution where both the club, and the tournament could co-exist at the same time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I've worked on FIFA tournaments Steve-O, it just isn't that simple.

Three for me, and two for them.

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

CalebNZ wrote:

No love for Wanganui's mighty Cooks Gardens :(

sounds good to me would like a home game so i do not have to travel for a change.

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

the basin could actually be a better option than what some people here think. Yellow Fever would pack out the R.A.Vance stand . plus being in wellington we could take advantage of the tourists staying here in wgtn for the world cup

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Royal wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

As for where to go, my first choice would be the Basin to keep it in Wellington but who knows what will happen.

You can't take down all advertising around the entire stadium and put it up again the next night, then do it all again. Not feasable

Yes you can. How many times have the nix played the day before or after a wellington NPC match.

Anyway I have had a chat to the wife about this (she works at RWC2011) and away matchs + byes in Aus are the only viable options.

You wont get accomodation for the nix anywhere in NZ let alone another visiting team.

Most decent venues that are not being used to play matchs are hosting the training of a RWC team. Even the flights to and from Aus will be a struggle for clubs to organise during the RWC.

The team would be better of basing themselves somewhere like Canberra for the duration and maybe playing a one off game there as a home match (which should draw a decent crowd and help fill the coffers) as Canberra is going to be one of the least affected destinations in Aus during the RWC.

Flights out of NZ to Aus during the WC prior to each weekend should be cheap as most of the traffic is inbound and the airlines will want to fill seats on the return journey.

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

spartan wrote:

People need to forget about the Basin Reserve as an option. George Costanza2010-09-18 12:48:34

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Buffon II wrote:

I've worked on FIFA tournaments Steve-O, it just isn't that simple.

Explain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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spartan wrote:

plus being in wellington we could take advantage of the tourists staying here in wgtn for the world cup

Surely that applies to the entire country, in particular, dare I say it, Auckland.

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

UberGunner wrote:

Royal wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

As for where to go, my first choice would be the Basin to keep it in Wellington but who knows what will happen.

You can't take down all advertising around the entire stadium and put it up again the next night, then do it all again. Not feasable

Yes you can. How many times have the nix played the day before or after a wellington NPC match.

Anyway I have had a chat to the wife about this (she works at RWC2011) and away matchs + byes in Aus are the only viable options.

You wont get accomodation for the nix anywhere in NZ let alone another visiting team.

Most decent venues that are not being used to play matchs are hosting the training of a RWC team. Even the flights to and from Aus will be a struggle for clubs to organise during the RWC.

Flights out of NZ to Aus during the WC prior to each weekend should be cheap as most of the traffic is inbound and the airlines will want to fill seats on the return journey.

This. Accomodation would be a nightmare. You could count out travelling to any games the Nix might play anywhere in the country, even those centres not hosting RWC games, unless the locals on here wish to host five dozen Feverites. Away games and byes it is.

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Steve-O wrote:

Buffon II wrote:

I've worked on FIFA tournaments Steve-O, it just isn't that simple.

Explain.

he's had 12+ hours to explain..... he's still thinking about it.....

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Carisbrook anyone??

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Steve-O wrote:

Buffon II wrote:

I've worked on FIFA tournaments Steve-O, it just isn't that simple.

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Explain.

A ton of work goes into cleaning up stadiums and then restoring them, it's not something that gets done at the drop of a hat. That's just one small area of things that need to be done too.

Three for me, and two for them.

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I'd saying the advertising would be the bitch too. The hoardings that sit just below the corporate boxes will have been taken down for the RWC. But I assume they would have to be put back up for the Nix game, and then taken back down afters an replace with RWC related ones.

I think we are all forgetting that it would have been the IRB who said the stadiums are out of action for the 6 weeks. And we (NZ/NZRU) would have agreed to that by bidding for the WC.

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

That is done plenty of times at Westpac throughout the year.

This post was @ Buffon.Steve-O2010-09-18 12:50:19

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

liverpoolfan1 wrote:

Bay Park Tauranga emerging as a possibility. Holds 17500 and John Adshead is the acting chairman there at the moment.

Heard on sports news they are in negotiations.

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Whitby boy wrote:

You would think chances are there will be a FIFA window somewhere in that 6 week period. With the 2nd Sydney team looking all but dead in the water and it being highly unlikely a replacement could get up and running in time for next season you would think we would also have byes again next season.

My preference would be take 2 of our byes during the time the RoF is not available and, allowing for a FIFA window, play all 3 of the scheduled league games away in Oz. Six weeks without a home game is a long stretch but I would rather that than playing in a makeshift stadium somewhere I probably won't go anyway - remember travel and accommodation will be full and, if not, expensive due to RWC visitors.

A good excuse to get over to Oz anyway and get away from what will be wall to wall RWC.

Bonus is we would then have a nice stretch of home games.

+1. Run of home games to the finish line...

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

George Costanza wrote:

liverpoolfan1 wrote:

Bay Park Tauranga emerging as a possibility. Holds 17500 and John Adshead is the acting chairman there at the moment.

Heard on sports news they are in negotiations.

Option 1. Play home game away in the Tauranga version of the ring of dirt which next to no season ticket holders will go to (check travel time / airfares Wgtn - Tauranga and then add RWC premium). We lose home advantage (i.e. we are not at RoF), have to discount season tickets for lost game and we then have to play return game away.

Option 2. Play away game first and then home game at RoF later.

Thanks John but no thanks.

He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I still think using 1 of our "home" games away in somewhere where the A league might like to get another franchise ( ie Canberra) is a decent enough carrot for the FFA to give us the bye's for the rest of the scheduled home matches that would have occurred during the RWC.

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Naturally I wuld love nothing more than Carisbrook seeing the nix (assuming the FBS is finished in time) but I think in terms of performance I think six on the road/byes would be a great idea with the obvious incentive of a big streak of home games in the back half of the season.

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

UberGunner wrote:

Hmmm - am quite receptive to this cunning plan.

If this is coupled with a stint of away games it could toughen the squad up in terms of travelling and performance at away matches.

Then a good long stretch of home games later in the season.

"Phoenix till they lose"

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

The only down side is that it would take a big chunk out of my broadband and I might have to watch some eggball on TV.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

UberGunner wrote:

Good idea. As people have said, no many where the home games are during the WC, the crowds wil be tiny. Best take the byes and play the away games whilst the country watches the ABs choke again, then have a run of home wins where the nix are suddeny kings again! Sounds good to me!

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UberGunner wrote:

i like this thinking

Calling all fans in Japan, come down and support the mighty nix in Osaka

http://www.facebook.com/WellingtonPhoenixClubMembersSupportersGroupOsaka

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George Costanza wrote:

liverpoolfan1 wrote:

Bay Park Tauranga emerging as a possibility. Holds 17500 and John Adshead is the acting chairman there at the moment.

Heard on sports news they are in negotiations.

This makes a lot of sense - the fact that Tauranga is the sixth(?) biggest centre in New Zealand, yet it doesn't have any World Cup games, makes this a real viable option. Only one game though for mine.

The fact that BayPark is a bit of a sh*thole needs to be overlooked for what might actually be a reasonable crowd for a match there.

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Tauranga are hosting rugby teams during the WC though.

Both Fiji and Samoa plus either Russia or georgia will be spending time there.

This would make marketing the game to the locals harder, and Bay Park is listed as the official training venue for Samoa while they are in town.

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

UberGunner wrote:

Tauranga are hosting rugby teams during the WC though.

Both Fiji and Samoa plus either Russia or georgia will be spending time there.

This would make marketing the game to the locals harder, and Bay Park is listed as the official training venue for Samoa while they are in town.

I checked the training venue bookings earlier - Baypark is booked for 4 days only. IIRC Tauranga Domain will be the primary training venue in the city. There'd definitely be a room for a Phoenix match to be played in the city, though you're correct in that the media buzz over those teams will likely detract from the Phoenix buzz.

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UberGunner wrote:

Anyway I have had a chat to the wife about this (she works at RWC2011) and away matchs + byes in Aus are the only viable options.

You wont get accomodation for the nix anywhere in NZ let alone another visiting team.

Most decent venues that are not being used to play matchs are hosting the training of a RWC team. Even the flights to and from Aus will be a struggle for clubs to organise during the RWC.

Flights out of NZ to Aus during the WC prior to each weekend should be cheap as most of the traffic is inbound and the airlines will want to fill seats on the return journey.

I think you're right. All away games has to be the way to go. Thay way, the club gets the home games and their associated benefits back later on.

Taking games round NZ will be a problem. There's going to be bugger all spare flights & accommodation in NZ for the Nix and their opponents, let alone any travelling fans. I see Athletics NZ have moved the 2011 champs races away from their traditional dates because flights and accommodation during the RWC aren't available. Actually, having just recently spent a weekend in Dunedin for the Marathon (3rd master thanks for asking), I have no idea how they're going to accommodate RWC. There's not many hotels down there normally!

If we're going to have to give up home advantage for a match, playing it in Australia would probably be far more manageable. And we might get some people turning up. The Canberra suggestion might work and we might get some "home" support if we're playing Sydney. Canberra is a pig to get to from NZ though.

I don't get the [earlier] suggestion [from someone else] that visiting rugby fans will turn up to watch an A-League match... why would they? They're rugby fans from overseas - what's the basis for thinking they'll want to watch a NZ team play football? Most rugby fans, at least the ones I know in England, don't care for football. Is it different in other countries? But for those that do, are they likely to consider the A-League an attraction?

SiNZ2010-09-22 12:29:26

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

If Sydney Rovers aren't culled, or any other team, by the start of next season and it goes ahead as planned with 12 teams there won't be a need for byes. If this is the case, and probably something we should plan for, we will be better off just having all the games scheduled during this period as away games and have a nice stretch of home games some other time in the season.

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

SiNZ wrote:

They won't necessarily be there for the NZ team. If we have a team from a rugby union area (so Brisbane or one of the Sydneys) playing the Nix are a location and date near a Wallabies match, you might get a larger away crowd than usual. The Wallabies play Ireland at Eden Park on Saturday, September 17. So if the Nix played Sydney FC at Mount Smart on the 16th, Aussies who have travelled to Auckland to see the rugby could pop along to the rugby. That's not to say they will, but it's a possibility.

Other that that, I don't expect visitors to have too much of an impact on ticket sales. As you say they'll be there for the rugby, and the only sport the visitors are guaranteed to be fans of is rugby.

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