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I just resist posting to clarify a couple of things...
 
Top effort Craig!! Well done for getting on the forums and pushing back! this is exactly the kind of interaction between sports public and media that is needed!
 
It's great to see a point-by-point argument put together, whether I agree with it or not. You've done your profession a service by posting this. If I lived in NZ, I'd be happy to buy you that beer.   
 
One point I would add though. Football is among the two or three most popular sports globally. Given that the phoenix are NZ's premier domestic expression in that sport, do you think the local coverage in sports meda is proportionately represenative of their place in the sporting landscape? Is the comparison to the black-socks a bit of a straw-man? Softball is, in all honesty, a pretty minor sport on the international stage. I think your use of the the breakers aris a much more appropriate comparison, given the relative importance of basketball internationally.
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Craig, I am encouraged you want to engage and explain, and interested in the excuses, but no mention of the Bahrain game is deadset indefensible - although as I said the very night of the oversight, TVNZ will rationalise in their own mind, which is what you are doing.
 
It was the most important game in 27 years and it had been in the diary for months. Even though you were too cheap to send somebody or hire local crew you have lots of archive footage, there are ex all whites and other experts to interview back home. It would not have been hard to divert your handball reporter to  talk to Summer or Adshead or Fallon or Rufer. Yet nothing, zero, zilch.
 
Craig, every All Blacks test (and there are 20 of them every year, some of them pretty lame as far as marketability) leads the sports news for 3 or 4 days (if not more) in the week prior to the game. Every broken finger nail, every selection question. Its the routine. Its the formula. Its easy. Its what the network is familiar with. Obviously football doesnt provide you with the same amount of product, nowhere near. Obviously lots of people are interested in the rugby. But come on. We cant get one lousy mention the night before our biggest game in 27 years. NOT JUSTIFIABLE. Dont bother trying.
 
Your (or at least your network's) rehabilitation begins with accepting your wrongdoing and past indiscretions.
 
We are here to help you through this.
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Totally fair point.  I think it was a massive oversight.
 
I think you should have started with this

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james dean wrote:
While it may be arguable that the costs of travelling there outweighed the news value (which is hard to fathom considering that the stadium sold out so quickly for the return leg and the media have been going crazy for this story)
 Correct me if I'm wrong but would they still be going crazy if Bahrain won 6nil in the first leg?  Take your blinkers off.  The general public are wary of the All Whites... They've heard about them being close to going to the world cup again for 25 years and the team has never delivered.   
Craig makes a point here. Let's assume that TVNZ had decided to send a team over , and the AW's had lost by a few goals. The reporting would have HAD to note that the AWs were soundly beaten/outplayed etc.
 
Such a report would have generated an outcry from the YF about how biased TVNZ was, yadda yadda, "why didn't they get behindf the AWs when they were winning", "they waited until the AWs lost before bothering to report".
 
Now, I'm no fan fo the NZ media, sports or otherwise. I vented my spleen on a number of occaisions at the idiotic comments and twisted reporting that goes on in many circles. e.g.: http://virtuphill.blogspot.com/2009/10/new-zealand-media-and-football.html and http://virtuphill.blogspot.com/2009/10/sports-journalists.html
 
However, I don't think that carte blanche ad hominem attacks are warranted (espacially against individual reportes), not unless these journos really do F-up. In whcih case, fight the pen with the pen!
 
It's easy, in hindsight, after a good result to blame the media for not being there. Let's think a bout whether we would prefer they remain silent when the results are not ideal. We can't have it both ways. . . .
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Well here is the message I sent to Craig, I hope it wasn't too harsh.

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Hello Craig,
 
I saw your post over at the Yellowfever forums. I'm a fairly new member to that site and would like to comment on TVNZ's coverage on Football and other sports in NewZealand.
 
First off, thanks to TVNZ for coverage of the Breakers, I'm a basketball fan from way back in the mid 1980's of the old national League and appreciate the chance to see Basketball in the media anytime I can. Although maybe a few  more items on Sean Marks and our young college players would be good.
 
Also TVNZ seems to repeat the myth that Basketball is just an American Sport, which is of course is untrue,its a Global sport, that is second only to Football in world wide popularity.
 
The frustration football fans are having is that this is the most important Football match for Kiwis in 26 years and the lack of coverage is abysmal. I would of thought TVNZ would  be giving us  daily updates of both squads buildups and injuries.
 
Also it would seem, that TVNZ is running any story about Rugby Union that they can, just for the sake of a story,I mean how many  times over the past 14 years do we need to be told that Lomu is popular overseas.
 
Also the Rugby World cup is 96 weeks away so why the massive coverage on 2011 already.
 
Sometimes I swear the NZRFU and the media are working to play down any sport that they deem to be in competition with Rugby Union.
 
Anyway I hope in the week leading up to the football, its wall to wall coverage and my wish for 2010 is that TVNZ will give the Winter Olympics/Commonwealth Games/Football World Cup and the Basketball World Champs the coverage they deserve and lay off the stories about how cool Dan Carter is or how much
Lomu is Loved.
 
PS: Why is the Network News still having that Scripted Spontaneous Banter between Andrew Saville and  Simon Dallow about Andrew's weight, its getting cringe worthy now, weget it, he likes his food!
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Craig's reply to my email, didnt really say much, but at least he took the time to reply.

Thanks form your email.

 

The truth is that rugby remains the number one sport in New Zealand.  If the All Blacks implode, that makes big news.  I personally think the Lomu thing is pretty good but I take your point for 2010. 

 

Lets hope the All Whites win


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Craig, I am encouraged you want to engage and explain, and interested in the excuses, but no mention of the Bahrain game is deadset indefensible - although as I said the very night of the oversight, TVNZ will rationalise in their own mind, which is what you are doing.
 
It was the most important game in 27 years and it had been in the diary for months. Even though you were too cheap to send somebody or hire local crew you have lots of archive footage, there are ex all whites and other experts to interview back home. It would not have been hard to divert your handball reporter to  talk to Summer or Adshead or Fallon or Rufer. Yet nothing, zero, zilch.
 
Craig, every All Blacks test (and there are 20 of them every year, some of them pretty lame as far as marketability) leads the sports news for 3 or 4 days (if not more) in the week prior to the game. Every broken finger nail, every selection question. Its the routine. Its the formula. Its easy. Its what the network is familiar with. Obviously football doesnt provide you with the same amount of product, nowhere near. Obviously lots of people are interested in the rugby. But come on. We cant get one lousy mention the night before our biggest game in 27 years. NOT JUSTIFIABLE. Dont bother trying.
 
Your (or at least your network's) rehabilitation begins with accepting your wrongdoing and past indiscretions.
 
We are here to help you through this.
 
I think that this is the key point.  Fair enough that it cost too much to send someone to Bahrain/get pictures from there (and I don't think that the All Whites helped themselves by cutting themselves off from the media before the game) but it is not accepable to have nothing at all.  The story was massive enough to interview an '82 player to get an idea about what it was like to play in that part of the world (they played in Kuwait and Saudi in qualifying), the pressure, what being at the world cup is like, etc.  There was also the option of talking via telephone to Miles or the other journalist that was there (if you could stop him from writing articles - I think he produced one every 68 minutes) just to get an idea of the conditions, the pitch, etc.  Hell, you could even have spoken to me via Skype regarding some of the bars, and what factor sunblock I was using.  There was plently to be done that would have been interesting to a large number of the viewers - I'd bet of interest to a larger number of people than nascar or iron man reports.

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The angst here isn't so much about not sending a reporter to Bahrain to cover the All Whites, simply that the night before the match, absolutely no mention whatsoever was given by TV One or TV Three news about the match itself.

I think everyone here just wants TVNZ to admit that they really bollocksed it up with regards to that night.

None the less, I respect that you have come on here and explained things Craig, shows integrity on your part, goes a tiny, little bit towards restoring my trust in journos.


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james dean wrote:
Bopman, surely you don't buy that explanation?
 
the main issue which is the fact that there was ZERO coverage of the story in NZ.  We're not journalists but surely there are a million angles that could be run without needing someone on the ground, the print media managed that.
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Your post shows you up as a complete ignoramous.
 
The cost to a print journalist is a $30 phone call from his desk to the middle east.  One person, one call.
No comparison to television at all.  One reporter, one cameraman, one editor, one satellite to feed the pictures.... a team back in NZ to sort out what's sent... baggage costs, hotel rooms, meals, taxis... etc....etc.
The accountants among you know that already we are talking a sizable cost.
 
THINK ABOUT IT...  IT'S A LEGITIMATE EXPLAINATION.... not one that's done to smooth waters with you.  I couldn't care less if you resent TVNZ. It just shows you'd rather mindlessly knock TVNZ than actually weight things up factually.  And the fact is we tried extremely hard. 
 
Television is about pictures.  No pictures... no story.  That's the cold hard truth.  There are some stories that make excellent print stories - say SPARC handing out funding....court cases as they detail evidence.... then there are some that make excellent television stories - ie a NASCAR crash and the merits of car safety.  You go to a newspaper to see a detailed cricket scoreboard.  You go to television to see the dismissals.  Don't make the mistake of thinking all media is the same because it is not....Newspapers and TV and radio always cater to their individual strengths. 
 
So to put file vision of the All Whites playing Jordan or worse shots of them practicing in New Zealand while the public knows the team is in Bahrain makes no sense whatsoever.  But print journos can get away with it.
 
[QUOTE=james dean] While it may be arguable that the costs of travelling there outweighed the news value (which is hard to fathom considering that the stadium sold out so quickly for the return leg and the media have been going crazy for this story)
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but would they still be going crazy if Bahrain won 6nil in the first leg?  Take your blinkers off.  The general public are wary of the All Whites... They've heard about them being close to going to the world cup again for 25 years and the team has never delivered. 
 
The general public also had a healthy dose of sceptciism about the 100th ranked team in the world going to a foreign country to play the 64th ranked team in the world in a city virtually no one had ever heard of.  The football public knew the significance, but the footballers had to prove to the general publc that they were the real deal. 
 
Don't show resentment at TVNZ for not pushing football's barrow.  That's never been our job.  The media reflects the interest of the general public.  It's a chicken and the egg thing.  You've got to ask yourself, did we help generate the public interest to sell out the stadium once the whistle blew for full time in Bahrain?  If you've got any intelligence you would have to begrudgingly accept we did.
 
Every sport needs hardcore fanatical supporters.... but I agree with whoever wrote one of the previous posts.  Sometimes fanatical supporters can do more harm than good to the sport they profess to love so much.  Ignorant fans can do more harm than good.
 
 
No Craig, I'm neither an "ignoramus" nor ignorant and if you read what I said you've completely failed to understand what I was suggesting (that there are stories that could be run without having someone on the ground in Manama).  No point going over this again as others have already expanded on it.  You can attempt to justify it how you like but as Marius has said this was the biggest match for 27 years and it wasn't deemed newsworthy.
 
You've said what if Bahrain won 6-0 in the first leg.  They didn't, and your station wasn't there to report on what could well become the sports story of the year.  If NZ do qualify for the World Cup can you honestly say that as a football reporter for the state broadcaster you'd be happy with the attention allocated to this match?
 
I agree, you're not a cheerleader for the sport.  But as a supposedly informed member of the media surely it is expected of you to appreciate the significance of the event and communicate that to the public.  There was interest in the Manama game pre - and post match, ticket sales for the return leg were over 20k before the match in Manama and the print media was saturated with football stories.  I understand that there are limitations to what you were able to dowithout images but this does reflect the consistently poor coverage of football on TV1 news which is generally limited to showing the goals from the premiership on a Sunday evening which are available in a million and one different places on the internet.
 
What is utterly galling is that having completely ignored the event in the week leading up to the match you're claiming that your coverage post the match somehow helped to drive ticket sales for the return leg.  I'm afraid Craig that while I do consider myself both reasonable and intelligent I just don't buy that.  As you say yourself, your reporting only reflects the level of public interest: you're not a cheerleader.  And even if you do believe that, are we supposed to give you credit for reporting what may well become the sports story of the year?  I'm afraid not.
 
I know that you are doing your job within the limitations that are imposed by the higher-ups and I appreciate you giving your side of the story.  But I reserve my right to disagree with the justifications that you've given and hope that in the future matches of this significance (which let's not forget roll around at the most once every 4 years) are given the attention that they deserve.

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By and large everyone here is spot on - bar Mr Stanaway. Clearly deluded after "interviewing literally thousands" of sports people and asking Shane Cameron "the question all of New Zealand" wants him to ask, Stanaway has utterly missed the point and is now making a meal of things by trying to justify TVNZ's ineptitude.
 
He talks about the cost of travelling to overseas events. Interesting. TVNZ can send Martin Tasker to the Mediterraneanfor a lengthy period to cover some sort of warm-up yachting regatta yet can't stump up to cover a crucial World Cup qualifying match? The biggest game for our national team in 27 years?
 
Sorry Craig - you're not only being disingenuous but your attempted justification is moronic. 
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jackschitt wrote:
 
He talks about the cost of travelling to overseas events. Interesting. TVNZ can send Martin Tasker to the Mediterraneanfor a lengthy period to cover some sort of warm-up yachting regatta yet can't stump up to cover a crucial World Cup qualifying match? The biggest game for our national team in 27 years?
 
 
 
I would hazard a guess that Team New Zealand pay for that

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Well said that man!

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Sounds like Craig has admitted TVNZ botched up the eve of the game.  As long as it's the lead story the night of the 14th and the next day it will go a long way to restoring our faith
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Oceanic 6, no it won't.  That decision is a no-brainer

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Wow - what was that HN said: "Our bitterness sustains us".

I think the state monolith is trying to make belated amends. Possibly not related but that good morning 2 mins of fame with Quinn and MacBeth was a pretty good plug.

Craig's rant showed a bit of youthful hubris I thought although I guess he was a bit annoyed because he was being taken to task.

I still put TV3 ahead of TVNZ, but I really don't rate either of them particularly high.

"Phoenix till they lose"

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As long as we get Martin Taskers  yachting coverage on TVNZ I will be a happy man.
 
Can't wait for the next  Amercas cup regatta in 2038 ..and the louis Vuitton, and all the other meaningless  boat races that no-one gives a fat rats about.
 
I can't believe TVNZ  had free flights and still didn't go to Bahrain..and as far as access goes- Miles was behind the goal the whole game!!
 
ball..dropped..TVNZ...again.
 
 
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james dean wrote:
Oceanic 6, no it won't.  That decision is a no-brainer
 
It could take a backseat if there is another political scandal or worse. 
 
I did spot Craig at Welly airport today, seems he was on the same flight as Rory Fallon and Ivan Vichlich.  maybe he got an interview on the plane??  Well I can only hope there will be better coverage now.
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Wow! TVNZ scraped up enough $$ to get an airfare to Wgtn.

"Phoenix till they lose"

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