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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Why is it that the media seems to have this thing about sl*gging off the football and the fans in this country?? It seems any negative behavious is pounced upon and despite this genuinely being the most passionate and well organised fan group in the country any postive remarks in the media are very grudgingly given...
 
What gives?  And more importantly how can the media be turned around - get that right and I think the fan base will increase even more...
Sneaky Butcher2007-10-24 10:03:51
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
It was the same in the UK
 
The press jump all over anything bad becuase it makes a good story. They would never write a story about football fans being well behaved
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A pity - compared to the general apathy of rugby fans I think it is a great story...  Sunday was my first phoneix game and despite the unfortunate bottle incidents it was by far the best sporting event I've been to - the only thing that came close was the 1 day win against Aussie at Eden Park earlier this year.  Beat every all black game I've been to and was better than the Ajax game I went to a couple of years back... Magic atmosphere! Sneaky Butcher2007-10-24 10:07:37
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It's funny. I mentioned yesterday that I was at the Bledisloe Cup game when Jonathan Kaplan got pelted with bottles when he was coming off (Eales scored with a penalty to win the game in about the 84th minute) and I don't remember the press making the same fuss about that incident. Auckland Jag2007-10-24 10:12:39

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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That's what I mean... This got the same coverage as the Drinking problems at crickets matches - in which fans were considerably worse in their behaviour and their were considerably more of them... The Media seems to have a very negatrive perception of the Phoenix and YF and I can't understand why...
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I bet you any money that when those events occured the people being asked for answers were the stadium and the sporting body, not the fans.

I have seen nothing explaining how the significant security presence around the zone took no action, when they are paid to.


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Baiter wrote:
I bet you any money that when those events occured the people being asked for answers were the stadium and the sporting body, not the fans.

I have seen nothing explaining how the significant security presence around the zone took no action, when they are paid to.
 
Very good point. We've seen apologies from just about everybody else but the Stadium Security mob seem to have been strangely silent. Doesn't explain the apparent vendetta that some of the Media seem to have against us tho'.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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<!-- bmi_SafeAddOnload(bmi_load,"bmi_orig_img");//--> The media has a very negative perception of the Phoenix and YF - come on, this is a ludicrous statement with no basis.

Do you not watch TV or read your local paper or listen to the radio. The Phoenix have had very good coverage from the media right from the very beginning and it has been widely acknowledged they are doing things very well. And as for past three weeks, three disappointing losses, do you expect the media to write and say nice fluffy stuff about it? Get real.

Also, as for trying to blame stadium or security, you're surely having a laugh. Are the fans who threw the bottles not responsible for their own actions?? Of course they are. Stop being so precious.

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Some media has been good - others not so good.
 
You can refer to our numerous TV forum threads in regard to what a lot of TVNZ do (or dont do). ie showing the winning goals not once but twice (in slow motion) the other night - but not showing the Elrich wondergoal! Henry on Breakfast being a complete w*nker about the Phoenix. Him asking Tim Brown why he doesnt take up beach volleyball took the cake!
 
Then you get guys like Chanter on radio calling YF a mob (twice) and calling it the most over-hyped and over-rated supporters club in the Southern Hemisphere. How does he substantiate that? Has he been reading his own press?
 
So on the same basis - how can ALL the fans be responsible for the fan who threw the bottle?

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Firstly, sadly, I'm basing my views on the media on what I'm experiencing up here in JAFA land. In my earlier post I clearly said "...some of the Media..." From what I've seen, one newspaper - The Dom Post - has covered the 'Nix excellently, as has probably 1 of the TV channels - TV3. The rest of the coverage generally, in my opinion, has been less  than inspiring (perhaps understandably, since the 'Nix are a Wellington team).

As far as trying to blame security? Who's blaming them for what happened? I'm certainly not. What I have some concerns about is the apparent inaction once these events were happening/had happened. It is also a concern that no-one saw fit to help the security staff by pointing out the muppets concerned so they could have been kicked out on their arses.

I wasn't at the game so I'm obviously basing these assumptions on what I've read. If you read any of the posts I've made in the various threads on the weekend's incidents, you will see that I am very much expecting the "fans" who threw the bottles to be responsible and accountable for their actions, but I would also expect security staff to actually do what they are paid for.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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I don't mean to be picky domp, but when this has occured in any other sport who is normally asked about it by the media ?

We had 1000 people watching the pitch and A bottle came from behind (most of us).  Meanwhile there were how many security people looking towards where it occured ?

I'm pretty happy with the level of response asked of Yellow Fever in general, but I can see why others might question why the same level of scrutiny that has been applied at other sports isn't being applied here.

Feel free to PM me your thoughts. Hard News2007-10-24 17:42:05

How's my driving? - Whine here

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<!-- bmi_SafeAddOnload(bmi_load,"bmi_orig_img");//--> Valid point HN, I would hate to think all of YF has been pointed out, and I don't think it has. Not what I've heard anyway - just the couple of clowns who were seated in the YF area.
Did Tv run anything on it?
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guys, everyone chill out, but ...
 
people on this site are pretty passionate about footy and associated coverage. sometimes we overdo it or are not entirely balanced when it comes to our views about the media. but, historically, we have had it pretty tough as football fans and that has created an environment in which many football fans, including me, still have a habit of seeing the cynical and the negative in football coverage. it is getting better - but lifelong impressions die hard.
 
be assured, the DP has been class - and i dont think anybody on this forum would dispute that.
 
and the media has been very generous to YF (on the whole) - so i have to disagree with sneaky there. you take the good with the bad. we have a high profile and therefore have to expect scrutiny.
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I went to All Blacks vs Canada at Waikato Stadium this year, and because it's egg chasing, invariably people got bored and started a mexican wave. Every time the wave hit the drunken yobbo inhabited terraces (the "Green Zone" or whatever it's called), an ocean of bottles flew in the air. Then onto the pitch. It got to the point that there were more bottles on the field than people in the stands, in fact it was so bad the referee was about to call of the match before the announcer's quick thinking to tell everyone to stop saved the match.

This, of course, received about a paragraph worth of newspaper space

That being said, I suppose they didn't have room to mention it after the collective media orgasm of the AB's winning...
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I thought tv3's coverage of the weekends incident was balanced. I have only heard good things about the Dom Posts coverage. t.v1 have been average but they did show the Elrich goal on sunday night but did not have time to show the winning goal. Radio sport give us live coverage when they can which is often. Plus any number of interviews.The Herald seem to have taken the attitude that this is a Wellington  team so the coverage is not so good.
 I see this team as more of a New Zealand team than any of the others every were. The reason for that might be a performance issue and an anti Auckland thing.
So i am happy with the coverage but more would be even better.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
How was tv3 balanced when they said "several bottles" were thrown and then proceeded to show clips of hooliganism in britain?  Thus making a visual comparison of the two.(Or was that not tv3...?)

Allegedly

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
They let Marius? have his say. He defended yellow fever. I have seen it written her that several bottles were thrown but only one went near the players.Maybe that is not correct. I can't say as i wasn't there. Your point about the visual comparison is fair. I guess they could have shown a rugby crowd pelting that ref a few years back. The good thing is they let yellow fever have their say.

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nothing wrong with tv3's coverage - fair and reasonable. they gave us two says (Cnut and I) and got across two positive messages (1. we dont condone it and want it stopped and 2.) we are still regarded as a good crowd within a league).
 
yes, people are idiots at other sports. Sometimes they get the light shined on them by the media. this time it was our turn. pretty tiresome if the media had to point out every other instance of sports crowd misbehaviour every time they wanted to mention a new one.
 
somebody was an idiot, did throw a bottle, could have clocked someone. stupid.
 
YF has had a high profile, got a great rap generally from the media. we have to take the good with the bad guys.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Having listened to John Chanters outburst on radio sport the other day i thought he was a bit over the top. 
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I more than agree with that. Some of his remarks were both unncessary and unreasonable.

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Yeah was good having YF reps defend us actually.

O really, what did he say in this outburst?


Allegedly

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Just for clarification I was talking about the mdia in general.  Like Auckland JAG I am Auckland based and so don't read the dom post often, and will happily acknowledge that in fact their coverage maybe rather good.  What I was more referring to was the Paul Henry thing, The w*nker on the radio the other day and the fact that the bottle throwing even made it onto the news. 
 
TV3's coverage was fair, but to be honest relative to other incidents involving fan behaviour, it really didn't rate a mention.  Not to condone the bottle throwing, but relative to the bottle throwing incident involving Jonathan Caplan and the repeated issues at the cricket etc this was a non event, and in my opinion was not really that worthy of making the news. 
 
Where I'm coming from is that in the national media there has been very little coverage and less positive coverage of what appears to be in my opinion the most well organised, passionate and vocal supporters group of any sporting team in the country - particularly given the relatively small fan base.  The Warriors could barely muster 5-6,000 when the going was tough - where as I suspect the Phoenix will seldom fall below 8-10,000 which is significant given the low profile of football in NZ.  The coverage (based on comments here) seems to be much more prevalent to the Wellington region, which is a great shame as this really has the potential to be a football team all of NZ can really get behind.
 
I just think it would be great if the National Media was a lot more supportive of the Nix and YF... but then I am biased as I want to see the club do well!
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I think it was just a slow news day on Tuesday... ridiculous that it made the National News!
 
As an aside, are you really a Sneaky Butcher?
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I'm openening my self up here for a lashing, but...
 
I personally think the A-League/Phoenix is marketed too well, too slick. They have almost forgot about the content. I'm come away alot of the time thinking not bad, but theres something not quite there.
 
The competition is in its infancy, yes.
 
But it warrants coment, you can only say Football is Brilliant so many times. Get the punters infront of the Box/get em to the ground and the football has to do start paying the Marketing Manager's bills.
 
 
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I saw better matches in last season's A-League overall. Some people say the quality has dropped a fraction this year. I'm not sure about that, and I do believe the A-League is a competition very much on the rise. Helped in no small part by having (finally) a well supported, competitive NZ side in it. Probably more open flowing football last season.
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You'd have to ask my missus Bobby...
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Brendan Telfer had some good things to say about the ACFC v  Manu Ura game on saturday. He liked the set up out at McLeod Rd the crowd etc. Good to see him getting along to these games.
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maybe the climate in NZ is changing - never thought i'd hear about Telfer saying positive stuff about football

if he is responding to the growing football voice in NZ then I'm stoked!! 

NiX and YF - keep it up lads - football loud and proud!!
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Today, and last night, the phoenix has gotten the most lengthy story covering them they ever have.

*insert classy swear word*
 
Hard News2007-10-29 21:53:45
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ah climate change denial   damn!!
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i couldnt bring myself to watch sports news tonight
 
what was the damage?
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they were actually fairly neutral thank god

Founder

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What a great piece by Fred Woodcock (posted on the frontpage) in today's paper.
 
Balanced.  Critical but not knife-wielding.  Constructive in many ways.
 
Big raps.
 
To be fair we bag the press a lot despite the fact that we give them at least half of their negative headlines.  So credit where it's due.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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Compare that with the other bollocks piece by Maddaford in the Herald where he basically says:

"Right, the Phoenix look set to be the new Knights.  End of.  Now here's a wrap of the results."
 
Honestly, is that journalism?

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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Oh and I bet the subbie blew his load over the "Knightmare" headline.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/index/0,22045,5006068,00.html
Have a "butchers" at the league table symbols for each team in this article from Sydney's "Terrorgraph".
Tee hee.
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/index/0,22045,5006068,00.htmlTraitor2007-10-30 19:19:44

"Sharing rewards the weak"- Steven Colbert

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Despite the Phoenix's generally disappointing results, i have really enjoyed the season so far. I'm a TV watcher, and have found almost without fail the matches to be a great spectacle.

In their first season the Kingz finished a creditable mid-table, but I found a lot of their play dire and boring. After that it was all downhill.
 
But now, the chances are most A league matches are well worth watching, workign your day around. For those of us that enjoy just the general dance of the game rather than the gladitorial fandom aspect, it's been really good stuff.
 
I'm okay about the media having a crack (as a former sports journo myself). What I want to see in reports is more "point of view", more analysis, regardless of whether it is positive or negative.
 
The really good thing is that in this era, we are not reliant on a few journalists to be gatekeepers of everybody's thoughts, or filter the news and views. We can bloody well do it ourselves through forums such as this.
 
If media aren't on the button these days they will quickly lose relevance to those who are interested enough to seek more considered opinion/analysis.
 
My own reading habits have changed significantly in the past 6-7 years. I now get the bulk of my footbnall information on-line, whereas time was when I relied upon the media. i suspect many of you out there have been going through the same metamorphosis. At this rate it won't be long until nobody gives a blind stuff what is in the paper. It is the tide of opinion on forums such as this that will count.
 
 
 
 
 
https://www.facebook.com/groups/nzsportsprogrammes

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At this rate it won't be long until nobody gives a blind stuff what is in the paper. It is the tide of opinion on forums such as this that will count. 


God help us all then.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Despite the Phoenix's generally disappointing results, i have really enjoyed the season so far. I'm a TV watcher, and have found almost without fail the matches to be a great spectacle.

In their first season the Kingz finished a creditable mid-table, but I found a lot of their play dire and boring. After that it was all downhill.
 
But now, the chances are most A league matches are well worth watching, workign your day around. For those of us that enjoy just the general dance of the game rather than the gladitorial fandom aspect, it's been really good stuff.
 
I'm okay about the media having a crack (as a former sports journo myself). What I want to see in reports is more "point of view", more analysis, regardless of whether it is positive or negative.
 
The really good thing is that in this era, we are not reliant on a few journalists to be gatekeepers of everybody's thoughts, or filter the news and views. We can bloody well do it ourselves through forums such as this.
 
If media aren't on the button these days they will quickly lose relevance to those who are interested enough to seek more considered opinion/analysis.
 
My own reading habits have changed significantly in the past 6-7 years. I now get the bulk of my footbnall information on-line, whereas time was when I relied upon the media. i suspect many of you out there have been going through the same metamorphosis. At this rate it won't be long until nobody gives a blind stuff what is in the paper. It is the tide of opinion on forums such as this that will count.
 
 
 
 
 
I enjoyed that post. thank you bruce.
 
 
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