everyone calls rugby rugby, everyone calls league league. there is no risk of confusion by calling football football. and if there was im sure it would become pretty clear once somebody starts reading.
the other forms of football (rugby union & rugby league) are more prevalently covered on their sports pages than the pure form of football.
A pedant writes: pure? Rugby's rules had solidified before the FA drew up their rules - come to think of it, so had Victorian/Australian Rules. And some hard-core Irish would say that Gaelic is the pure form of football.
But it's called football in every civilised country in the world except Italy. Doloras2010-06-02 13:14:02
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Nah, he's right. Everyone puts adidas products in the fridge.
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* Controversy rages. A constant email stream arrives at the Herald, expressing everything from frustration to outrage that this newspaper refers to the beautiful game as soccer rather than football.
This is not a matter up to writers and reporters.
The word soccer has been set as the Herald's style, to distinguish the game from other football codes.
People in high Herald places say the newspaper will not buckle.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/soccer-football/news/article.cfm?c_id=86&objectid=10649020&pnum=0
This is not a matter up to writers and reporters.
The word soccer has been set as the Herald's style, to distinguish the game from other football codes.
People in high Herald places say the newspaper will not buckle.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/soccer-football/news/article.cfm?c_id=86&objectid=10649020&pnum=0
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everyone calls rugby rugby, everyone calls league league. there is no risk of confusion by calling football football. and if there was im sure it would become pretty clear once somebody starts reading.
yep, it's not rocket science, even Aucklanders should be able to follow ML's logic
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* Controversy rages. A constant email stream arrives at the Herald, expressing everything from frustration to outrage that this newspaper refers to the beautiful game as soccer rather than football.This is not a matter up to writers and reporters.The word soccer has been set as the Herald's style, to distinguish the game from other football codes.People in high Herald places say the newspaper will not buckle.http://www.nzherald.co.nz/soccer-football/news/article.cfm?c_id=86&objectid=10649020&pnum=0
Never mind, at least Wellington is wonderful (and the Dom is aware what century New Zealand has entered).
I assume the "buckle" pun is unintended, or is their an ounce of wit somewhere in their building?
Interesting though - I had this crazy idea that successful businesses were responsive to their customers.
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a lot of discussion on rad sport this morning on this. herald taking quite a lot of stick
I was listening to Brendan Telfers rant re the Herald. He said they should call it Football. He spoke to Miles about it and Miles said it doesn't bother him as long as they are talking about it.
It's dumb for them to keep calling it the S word when NZ Football changed it's name from the S word.
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Good articles linked on the YF home page ... from the Herald (and note Caro Meng-Yee calls it FOOTBALL)
"Phoenix till they lose"
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My god, new prize for weirdest nonsense to come out of the Herald. Step forward sports editor Paul Lewis, who in the midst of an otherwise unexceptional rant about the glory of video refs, had this to say:
... okay, Platini is a transvestite who gets whipped and humiliated by an even bigger transvestite and later shoots him with a pitchfork capable of emitting a beam of pure antimatter?!?
Oh, I forgot Michel Platini, the once inordinately gifted French
playmaker who is now head of Uefa and who plays Riff Raff to Blatter's
Frank 'N Furter on this issue.
... okay, Platini is a transvestite who gets whipped and humiliated by an even bigger transvestite and later shoots him with a pitchfork capable of emitting a beam of pure antimatter?!?
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Good articles linked on the YF home page ... from the Herald (and note Caro Meng-Yee calls it FOOTBALL)
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yeh, i noticed someone reading a herald on friday which had the word "football" in a teaser for a weekend article
perhaps they have now joined the rest of NZ in this century
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Yes, much of the copy refers to 'football' ... eg this from michael brown ..
it is just that 'soccer' tab that is rather irritating ...
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sounds like they are getting their journalistic act together
and fair play to them - moving with the times .. they do say it's good for business
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and fair play to them - moving with the times .. they do say it's good for business
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A quick question. I noticed that back in the 80's New Zealand Football was the New Zealand Football Association, so when and why did it change to New Zealand Soccer?
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Yes, much of the copy refers to 'football' ... ..
it is just that 'soccer' tab that is rather irritating ...
Although i was reading it yesterday and in the midst of a lengthy piece about the final, the writer was talking about Holland's thuggish tactics and that they played 'anti-soccer'...
That is just so wrong...
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I'm quite keen on the "Herald On Sunday" for its football coverage- and, yes, this edition of the Herald does use"Football" as the heading for its round ball coverage. Its results section also uses "Football."
During the World Cup it dedicated 8 pages each Sunday to footie coverage (mostly on the All Whites), though things being a bit quiet here and internationally at present until the new seasons get underway, its cruising at a couple of pages.
Michael Brown's a good football writer and pens all "the Herald On Sunday"'s local football coverage (which was a lot of work during the Cup).
Best of the Sunday papers for football coverage for my money. Some good original research by Mr Brown...
No-one else seems to have picked up on the UK ed. of "4-4-2 Magazine" naming our Ricki as coach of its tournament XI.
Good Paul Ifill interview last Sunday.
I buy it at Whitcoulls in central Christchurch on a Sunday. Probably available at Whitcoulls in other major centres too.
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I think they should use the correct Gaelic spelling with an 'H' in it. It is clear racism and anti-papism.
I think we should write to the paper to declare 'Sohcker' or mutiny!
Agree with Miles, but it is typical of the Herald is the only news source in the country to ignore football's attempt to reinvent itself. But think their football writing has been not too bad actually, and I like it when Rattue sticks his oar in too...
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michael brown is good and Herald on Sunday is better than sunday star times for football.
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But it's called football in every civilised country in the world except Italy.
Do they call it Diving?
Three for me, and two for them.
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michael brown is good and Herald on Sunday is better than sunday star times for football.
Totally agree. I started buying the HOS specifically for its football coverage.
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damn, might have to further revise my anti-auckland bias 
anywhere in kilbirnie/newtown that sells this Herald on Sunday??
anywhere in kilbirnie/newtown that sells this Herald on Sunday??
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Dear oh dear.
"I will go to the shop and buy another Golden Boot."
Gold Coast Mariners coach Miron Bleiberg reflects on losing striker Shane Smeltz to a Turkish club.
Gold Coast Mariners coach Miron Bleiberg reflects on losing striker Shane Smeltz to a Turkish club.
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It's a bit like Pantene.� It won't happen overnight, but it will happen.
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Just keep calling it football despite some media and non-footy followers calling it soccer and it will change in the next few* years.
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(when Bombay was changed to Mumbai or Peking to Beijing, the world kept turning)
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Hello, I love your, "It's a bit like Pantene......happen". It took me sometime to adjust to calling soccer-football when I began posting in a forum in the UK.
Now, its like water off a duck's back.
European posters were never rude when I would type soccer, probably because I am a female-there were only 2 of us one from Italy and myself from New Zealand..Great guys, but of course they are now very happy that I have dispensed with the word soccer and just say 'football' now.
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10673209
Preview of the victory game and they have picture of kosta wearing the old home shirt
Preview of the victory game and they have picture of kosta wearing the old home shirt
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So with the latest round of "Let's sling some filth at the guy who has p!ssed off the editor and sell some more copy" @ Doom Post and the inconvenient truth that Stuff is Fairfax, I have been looking at the Herald website more today/last night.
It's not too bad, although it is very cluttered compared with stuff (must be an Akld thing).
Some good stories and opinion pieces and decent coverage of football (or "soccer" as the Jaffas like to call it).
Haven't found any interactive timeline graphics yet. Not sure if this is a good or bad thing.
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Just went to the link on the homepage to find out the Fred is penning for the Herald now (or maybe just this story).
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Haven't found any interactive timeline graphics yet. Not sure if this is a good or bad thing.
Oh Herald! Why did you have to go and do that: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10689539 ?
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"See how the story has developed" 
We're talking about people's lives here.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
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"See how the story has developed"
We're talking about people's lives here.
We perfectly understand that - our coverage definitely reflects that truth. I don't see how that line can be seen as insensitive.
The timeline is simply another way of showing our readers how the tragedy has unfolded. What's wrong with that?
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Don't have a problem with the timeline thing
Irritated by the fact that that it's reduced to "a story". I read my kids stories before they go to bed. I'm aware that is how the media regard it, but I don't work in the media. When I talk to people about what's happening down there I don't say "Have you heard the story about the mine explosion". I realise that it might just be me, but the use of the word annoys me in this context.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Don't have a problem with the timeline thing
Irritated by the fact that that it's reduced to "a story". I read my kids stories before they go to bed. I'm aware that is how the media regard it, but I don't work in the media. When I talk to people about what's happening down there I don't say "Have you heard the story about the mine explosion". I realise that it might just be me, but the use of the word annoys me in this context.
Fair enough, it is all about perception. Story is the term we use, but I agree it might not be seen as the appropriate term for the public. You'll often here the term "developing story" used for everything from a political scandal to a tragedy like this. I can assure you the Herald's online newsroom, and other newsrooms around the country, have nothing but the utmost sympathy for all the families and friends of those involved. I know it is looking bleak but I still hold out hope we will have these 29 men back with their loved ones soon.
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Fair point. As I said, it's just something that irritates me. I wasn't suggesting any insensitivity.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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I don't really know what you want them to call it?
Genuine question. I can't think of anything else. They're reporting on it,not talking to friends about it,the contexts are different.
Genuine question. I can't think of anything else. They're reporting on it,not talking to friends about it,the contexts are different.
Allegedly
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Don't have a problem with the timeline thing
Irritated by the fact that that it's reduced to "a story". I read my kids stories before they go to bed. I'm aware that is how the media regard it, but I don't work in the media. When I talk to people about what's happening down there I don't say "Have you heard the story about the mine explosion". I realise that it might just be me, but the use of the word annoys me in this context.
Fair enough, it is all about perception. Story is the term we use, but I agree it might not be seen as the appropriate term for the public. You'll often here the term "developing story" used for everything from a political scandal to a tragedy like this. I can assure you the Herald's online newsroom, and other newsrooms around the country, have nothing but the utmost sympathy for all the families and friends of those involved. I know it is looking bleak but I still hold out hope we will have these 29 men back with their loved ones soon.
has to be said but the over coverage of this "story" has been unbearable....I've been forced to turn the telly off a number of times this week due to Mr McRoberts talking to yet another politician who has some opinion about the disaster at hand but no facts, then there is Mr Campbell doing eactly the same thing, smacks of TV3 trying to get another award for stunning journalism.....talk about using a tragedy for your own gains.
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Well done Herald - three post-match stories.
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Well done Herald - three post-match stories.
This.
Meanwhile DoomPost relegate Nix to behind a story headlined "Captains pleased its play time" - which I didn't read but sounds like it's about cricket. Yawn.
Footpaul: To be fair we haven't always had the love for Granny Herald, but a combo of Doom Post ball dropping and your engagement with us on here, coupled with improved coverage of the game, has given you guys a good lead on the chasing print pack.
In my opinion anyway.
Keep it up.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Of course I'm pleased to see the Herald pick up its game with regard to football. I know there are a fair few football fans in my newsroom and also in the print section, so hopefully the sports guys will keeping producing good football stories.
It all comes down to readers though. If we write good copy and get good feedback, it will encourage more coverage. I think the All Whites' great year has helped give football more exposure and show editors there is a hunger out there for good coverage. Long may it continue!
It all comes down to readers though. If we write good copy and get good feedback, it will encourage more coverage. I think the All Whites' great year has helped give football more exposure and show editors there is a hunger out there for good coverage. Long may it continue!
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try telling that to the doom post - they know we'd love them if they'd report on the football and not the crap going on behind the scenes.
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And another good read with Terry interviewing Ritchie after he had a nice sleep- in!
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Soccer: Young star taking on the world
Soccer is giving Luke Adams the chance to see the world. Australian-born of English parents and one of the youngest players� More etc by Madderford in todays Herald.
Well DC this is definitily the most purile inane article I've had the misfortune to read on the Phoenix Home Page this year. If it were printed matter toilet paper at best.
Soccer is giving Luke Adams etc. FFS use the right code for a start...football.
Terry M Rex's Waitakere muppet.
In future please DONT use such articles in latest news from Maddaford/Waitakere as it's really a blog and zero relevance as with most of Maddaford's articles.
He who pays the piper eh Terry.
Soccer is giving Luke Adams the chance to see the world. Australian-born of English parents and one of the youngest players� More etc by Madderford in todays Herald.
Well DC this is definitily the most purile inane article I've had the misfortune to read on the Phoenix Home Page this year. If it were printed matter toilet paper at best.
Soccer is giving Luke Adams etc. FFS use the right code for a start...football.
Terry M Rex's Waitakere muppet.
In future please DONT use such articles in latest news from Maddaford/Waitakere as it's really a blog and zero relevance as with most of Maddaford's articles.
He who pays the piper eh Terry.
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