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The number 10

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The number 10

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/aug/26/small-talk-pat-nevin
Really interesting piece and I think that in our own way we suffer from a very similar problem.  Watching both U17s and 20s who is there that can create?  Even Marco we scoffed at the suggestion that he wanted to play centrally but maybe we should be considering it further - that player is the key in the modern game and we don't produce them and the one clever player we have (I won't say produce because his development had nothing to do with NZ Football) we stick out wide.

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Well it is interesting, I can understand from a historical perspective why in England and NZ a creative playmaker may not have been developed. The climate - wet in winter resulting in the middle of pitches being muddy and the skillful players playing on the wings where the pitch is in better condition. Then there were the offside rule changes:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2010/apr/13/the-question-why-is-offside-law-genius

I would imagine that with better pitches and with the rule changes that better players in these positions will develop
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I think that's far far too simplistic.  The number 10 is a feature of plenty of football cultures without warm climates - look at Eastern Europe where they have historically played 3-4-1-2 which relies entirely on a playmaker type.  We don't coach players to play in that position at any level so I don't think that an improvement in pitches alone will make any difference at all.
 
And the off-side law is the same for everyone everywhere - I don't see how that will change things in NZ?

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In my experience NZ and Austrlian players are coached as a team unit rather than highlighting players skills in certain positions.

Its almost a given that if you are good with the ball at your feet and have pace you will be put out wide, good with ball but not so quick you will be central midfield and tallish with average feet and aerial ability you will be up front. Those of us who only knew how to hoof it were generally in the back 4!

No real thought given to building the team around somebody in a playmaking position (ie #10) like in South and Central America and parts of Eastern EuropeC-Diddy2011-08-27 12:00:46

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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Pat Nevin has good taste in music... for a footballer.

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C-Diddy wrote:

Its almost a given that if you are good with the ball at your feet and have pace you will be put out wide, good with ball but not so quick you will be central midfield and tallish with average feet and aerial ability you will be up front. Those of us who only knew how to hoof it were generally in the back 4!


... and if you were fat and/or crazy, you got to be the keeper.

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terminator_x wrote:
Pat Nevin has good taste in music... for a footballer.

Indeed - subbed at half time to go see the Cocteau Twins play; mates with John Peel ..
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james dean wrote:
I think that's far far too simplistic.  The number 10 is a feature of plenty of football cultures without warm climates - look at Eastern Europe where they have historically played 3-4-1-2 which relies entirely on a playmaker type.  We don't coach players to play in that position at any level so I don't think that an improvement in pitches alone will make any difference at all.
 
And the off-side law is the same for everyone everywhere - I don't see how that will change things in NZ?

Change in offside law has forced defenses to sit a little deeper and creates more space for a 10 to  fit into.
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