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Wellington football boom outstrips facilities

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Wellington football boom outstrips facilities

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Waiting for bluemagic to turn up to explain how the Nix are killing NZ football again.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/sport/football/3417960/Wellington-football-boom-outstrips-facilities

Football has become so popular on the back of Phoenix and All Whites success that teams in Wellington have run out of grounds to play on.

Registrations with Wellington's Capital Football have jumped about 20 per cent over the last five years. Anecdotally, numbers appear to have jumped even higher this year, spokesman Cliff Bowden said.

"Both in seniors and juniors, the sport continues to grow... certainly in Wellington," he said.

There were more football teams playing in Wellington school competitions than in Auckland, a byproduct of the high profile football success here, Mr Bowden said.

"Certainly here in Wellington you can't but say the Phoenix has obviously had an awesome impact on the sport," he said.

"I guess at the moment, football is on a pretty big high in terms of the All White's [and] the Football Ferns.

"There are a lot of things the kids can look at and go, wow, they want to be like that."

Mr Bowden said the groundswell of interest in the sport at senior level had reached saturation point, with players now outstripping facilities to play on. Wellington was about seven grounds short.

"We just have a real issue with lack of grounds in the Wellington area to be able to take on many more teams."

Mr Bowden said there were new clubs trying to enter the competition, and existing clubs bringing on new teams.

While growth in senior player numbers - currently standing at about 4000 players - had been rapid, junior growth had been phenomenal.

While player registration numbers were yet to come in for this season, one club which usually received about 15 new players each year, had this year reported 60.

"We've got kids flooding to play the game and so, yeah, we're rapt that that's happening."

"We'd just love to have some more facilities to accommodate them all."

At last count there were about 9000 registered players in the Wellington area, though Mr Bowden believed that number would be higher this year.

Capital Football was working with the council to get more facilities, including artificial turfs, though expected this to take some time.

In spite of the grounds shortage, Capital Football was over the moon about the growth of the game, Mr Bowden said.

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Yet the council would rather spend big money on a big rugby ball statue rather than a football pitch for all these people to play on.

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As someone pointed out to me today, the cost over-run for the Karori Sanctuary's new visitor centre cost WCC about $2m.
 
That's a floodlit artificial turf right there.

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The problem in Wgtn is there are loads of NIMBY's and protesters who will all contest any suggested locations. Nimby's always go on about traffic congestion and parking putting them out and Wgtn suburbs and their resident associations have a lot of say - look at how ACDC used up 2/3rds of the allowable late noise nights available to the stadium ea year all due to Thorndon and Wadestown residents absolutely knuckling the council down prior to agreeing to not fight the stadium

and it can take one lone protester constantly appealing to set back things like the indoor stadium complex for years in red tape. I think the WCC will be pro looking good for supporting NZ's new found interest in football but I'm still waiting for the ice rink Kerry Pendergast promised us two elections ago
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I recall something similar being written last winter (before the 14 Nov game at least) about the surge in football registrations and the presure it was placing on grounds and some other codes being a bit worried.

 

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Yeah thats the thing,the numbers have been rapidly on the up for a long long time now,so its not like its been a sudden thing with no time to act and scope these kinds of things out.

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Needs more pressure on local councils to turn exisitng grass pitches to artificials. They are more expensive but they can handle 5 or 6 times the usage so are economically viable as long as users are prepared to pay a few dollars more.
 

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terminator_x wrote:
Needs more pressure on local councils to turn exisitng grass pitches to artificials. They are more expensive but they can handle 5 or 6 times the usage so are economically viable as long as users are prepared to pay a few dollars more.

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Which they're not. Subs for hockey players are easily double those for football players simply because of the turf fees. The last thing we need is anything discouraging ordinary working people from getting involved in the game.

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[QUOTE=Doloras] Waiting for bluemagic to turn up to explain how the Nix are killing NZ football again.

nice!!

I'm sure our little blue friend won't let facts get in the way of his prejudice, envy and troll tendencies

but perhaps - eventually - he'll just realise if he wants football, football, and the Phoenix then a job in Wellington is wonderful !!

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But are we "honest kiwis" enough?

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What I really got from that article is more ammunition in my "Auckland is crap" campaign.

Hey Auckland, you're crap!
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oh no! more evidence that football is suffering in NZ cos of the nix.... oh, wait.. did I read the data wrong....??
 
ACKC are gonna love this one...
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tigers wrote:

I'm sure our little blue friend


From now on, I will always refer to Bluemagic as Grumpy Smurf.

But ease up on the Auckland bashing, guys - I live in AKL, and not all of us or even all ACFC fans are creepy paranoids.Doloras2010-03-09 10:04:26

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Well, despite what our little blue magician friend thinks, my club which is South of Auckland (despite what John Banks and his Super City morons think) has experienced a huge growth in junior memberships over the past few years and again this season. We're struggling for pitches for our kids to play on.
 
Then again, our little 'uns don't play in the NZFC, so that doesn't count, does it?  
 
 

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Jag wrote:
my club which is South of Auckland (despite what John Banks and his Super City morons think)


We are the JAFA Borg. You will be assimilated. We will take your potatoes and onions and add them to our own.

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Doloras wrote:
Jag wrote:
my club which is South of Auckland (despite what John Banks and his Super City morons think)


We are the JAFA Borg. You will be assimilated. We will take your potatoes and onions and add them to our own.
 
I actually did LOL when I read that. 

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

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I know Wests will be losing Endeavour Park when it becomes a primary school, so theyre going to have to find somewhere else to relocate their clubrooms to, aswell as a couple of pitches to play on. I dont know where they would be able to move to though... will be happening later than sooner though.
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Is Endeavour Park the one out in Whitby where the All Whites trained before playing Bahrain?  That pitch is absolutely gorgeous and those primary kiddies can bugger off.
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stealthkiwi wrote:
The problem in Wgtn is there are loads of NIMBY's and protesters who will all contest any suggested locations. Nimby's always go on about traffic congestion and parking putting them out and Wgtn suburbs and their resident associations have a lot of say - look at how ACDC used up 2/3rds of the allowable late noise nights available to the stadium ea year all due to Thorndon and Wadestown residents absolutely knuckling the council down prior to agreeing to not fight the stadium

and it can take one lone protester constantly appealing to set back things like the indoor stadium complex for years in red tape. I think the WCC will be pro looking good for supporting NZ's new found interest in football but I'm still waiting for the ice rink Kerry Pendergast promised us two elections ago
Thats a bit harsh ,surely the whole point of local democracy is that local residents can have a say with regards to the  local enviroment they live in .
Are you suggesting that the council should just steam roller over the locals and build any mad cap ratepayer funded scheme that Prendergast and her sycophantic lackies come up with and to hell with public opinion or concern ?
Regarding the indoor sports centre at kilbirnie wasn't it a local councillor and  football player who caused the  biggest hold up for the council on that scheme,by dariing to ask some logistical questions before giving his vote to the project? then  incurring the wrath of the lord mayor through some  particularly vicious media comments !

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Kiwi Jambo wrote:
stealthkiwi wrote:
The problem in Wgtn is there are loads of NIMBY's and protesters who will all contest any suggested locations. Nimby's always go on about traffic congestion and parking putting them out and Wgtn suburbs and their resident associations have a lot of say - look at how ACDC used up 2/3rds of the allowable late noise nights available to the stadium ea year all due to Thorndon and Wadestown residents absolutely knuckling the council down prior to agreeing to not fight the stadium

and it can take one lone protester constantly appealing to set back things like the indoor stadium complex for years in red tape. I think the WCC will be pro looking good for supporting NZ's new found interest in football but I'm still waiting for the ice rink Kerry Pendergast promised us two elections ago
Thats a bit harsh ,surely the whole point of local democracy is that local residents can have a say with regards to the  local enviroment they live in .
Are you suggesting that the council should just steam roller over the locals and build any mad cap ratepayer funded scheme that Prendergast and her sycophantic lackies come up with and to hell with public opinion or concern ?
Regarding the indoor sports centre at kilbirnie wasn't it a local councillor and  football player who caused the  biggest hold up for the council on that scheme,by dariing to ask some logistical questions before giving his vote to the project? then  incurring the wrath of the lord mayor through some  particularly vicious media comments !
 
 
Where did I say that residents shdn't have that right?? I was jst pointing out a fact that any new grounds will take forver to be built because residents will always have a say and it does jst take one lone person asking logical questions or stupid ones to keep something on the drawing board way past whn its needed
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Has happened with Nairnville.  Artifical turf has meant a lot more games over the wekend (both days plus few cancellations) so the residents (some) are moaning about the increased traffic.
 
It's a feckin park/playing ground FFS.  You'd expect it to to be used during the weekend... and the whole point about articifal turf is that you can use it ...all the time.
 
Have no issue of NIMBYs if a  new turf is established where there wasn't existing facilities but you don't buy a house near Karori Park e.g. and then start complaining about all the scuba divers and surfers in the weekend.
 
 

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stealthkiwi wrote:
Kiwi Jambo wrote:
stealthkiwi wrote:
The problem in Wgtn is there are loads of NIMBY's and protesters who will all contest any suggested locations. Nimby's always go on about traffic congestion and parking putting them out and Wgtn suburbs and their resident associations have a lot of say - look at how ACDC used up 2/3rds of the allowable late noise nights available to the stadium ea year all due to Thorndon and Wadestown residents absolutely knuckling the council down prior to agreeing to not fight the stadium

and it can take one lone protester constantly appealing to set back things like the indoor stadium complex for years in red tape. I think the WCC will be pro looking good for supporting NZ's new found interest in football but I'm still waiting for the ice rink Kerry Pendergast promised us two elections ago
Thats a bit harsh ,surely the whole point of local democracy is that local residents can have a say with regards to the  local enviroment they live in .
Are you suggesting that the council should just steam roller over the locals and build any mad cap ratepayer funded scheme that Prendergast and her sycophantic lackies come up with and to hell with public opinion or concern ?
Regarding the indoor sports centre at kilbirnie wasn't it a local councillor and  football player who caused the  biggest hold up for the council on that scheme,by dariing to ask some logistical questions before giving his vote to the project? then  incurring the wrath of the lord mayor through some  particularly vicious media comments !
 
 
Where did I say that residents shdn't have that right?? I was jst pointing out a fact that any new grounds will take forver to be built because residents will always have a say and it does jst take one lone person asking logical questions or stupid ones to keep something on the drawing board way past whn its needed


Yep true it can be painful at times and I believe the current government is looking at ways of streamlining the current  consent processes .
It just annoys me   when the pejorative   term  nimby is used as some kind of tedious  mantra against the basic right of people to stand up and have their voices heard  on local issues that may or may not directly affect them!
As a someone once said " Democracy's the worst form of government except for all the others."

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Well I'm a porirua rather thn wgtn council rate payer but I'd def be a vocal NIMBY if certain things were to be suggested out of the blue for my street. But it's the people who have moved next to an airport, a park or into town who then complain that make the process look stupid
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I don't know how it works, but it would seem quite sensible for the new artificial turfs to be laid on EXISTING sports grounds (and probably cheaper too).

the NIMBY factor will still be there but really shouldn't be the bottleneck.

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In Wellington City there are so few options for new grounds that converting existing grass to artificial is exactly what's being proposed.

There are a few issues, however, as to make an artificial economically viable it needs to be used a lot, which means at night, which means floodlights, which in many cases means trouble with local residents.

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terminator_x wrote:
In Wellington City there are so few options for new grounds that converting existing grass to artificial is exactly what's being proposed.

There are a few issues, however, as to make an artificial economically viable it needs to be used a lot, which means at night, which means floodlights, which in many cases means trouble with local residents.


I've got it ,night vision goggles for the players !!

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loyalgunner wrote:
Is Endeavour Park the one out in Whitby where the All Whites trained before playing Bahrain?  That pitch is absolutely gorgeous and those primary kiddies can bugger off.

Yeah thats the one, its been a lush ground for years. Id say its the best pitch ive ever played on.
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It was a bit average on Sunday for yoof league.  Hoile in one goal mouth, patched turf, and dry patches.

'mare putting pegs in for nets.

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AJ13 wrote:
loyalgunner wrote:
Is Endeavour Park the one out in Whitby where the All Whites trained before playing Bahrain?  That pitch is absolutely gorgeous and those primary kiddies can bugger off.

Yeah thats the one, its been a lush ground for years. Id say its the best pitch ive ever played on.
Theyre getting rid of it? It really is a beautiful pitch (when i played on it last a few years ago mind)

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Junior82 wrote:
Have no issue of NIMBYs if a  new turf is established where there wasn't existing facilities but you don't buy a house near Karori Park e.g. and then start complaining about all the scuba divers and surfers in the weekend.


Westernb Springs Speedway in Auckland, running since 1923, yet barely runs anymore because the gentrification of Grey Lynn has seen people move in who don't like the noise.

w**kers.

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You move next to a speedway,one has to expect noise. Same goes with people complaining that they live next to an airport. Surely there has to be some common sense and local govts have to start saying "well it was here before you,you moved here knowing this was going to happen,so go away."

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The worst thing that happens is of course inner-city music venues being closed down because yuppies living in apartments need their beauty sleep.

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Junior82 wrote:
I don't know how it works, but it would seem quite sensible for the new artificial turfs to be laid on EXISTING sports grounds (and probably cheaper too).

the NIMBY factor will still be there but really shouldn't be the bottleneck.
 
New one being built in Wellington is at the Showgrounds site above the National Dance and Drama school.
 
After that I think they will go on existing sites.
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Tegal wrote:
AJ13 wrote:
loyalgunner wrote:
Is Endeavour Park the one out in Whitby where the All Whites trained before playing Bahrain?  That pitch is absolutely gorgeous and those primary kiddies can bugger off.

Yeah thats the one, its been a lush ground for years. Id say its the best pitch ive ever played on.
Theyre getting rid of it? It really is a beautiful pitch (when i played on it last a few years ago mind)

Played a few seasons for Suburbs years back and it was always a gorgeous pitch. Only problem was having to shoo the lawn bowlers off before kick off.

It's a crime to turn that into a school.


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Malky wrote:
Tegal wrote:
AJ13 wrote:
loyalgunner wrote:
Is Endeavour Park the one out in Whitby where the All Whites trained before playing Bahrain?  That pitch is absolutely gorgeous and those primary kiddies can bugger off.

Yeah thats the one, its been a lush ground for years. Id say its the best pitch ive ever played on.
Theyre getting rid of it? It really is a beautiful pitch (when i played on it last a few years ago mind)

Played a few seasons for Suburbs years back and it was always a gorgeous pitch. Only problem was having to shoo the lawn bowlers off before kick off.

It's a crime to turn that into a school.



It used to be a horse paddock in the 80's/early 90's and the developers always wanted to build a school there when that part of whitby became developed, so in the meantime they turned it into a playing field. probably looking at another 5-10 years or something though, but its going to happen. theres alot of housing around that area now
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