90 day employee probation banter

90 day employee probation banter

Bah, I never liked it that much anyway.

Anyone know when/if we're getting a wendys in Wellington?

@Steve-O

well yes. But a $ protest is the most effective way to get a business to realise that this is not something kiwis want, and business groups coming out and saying that may have the desired effect.

A goal is not a strategy: Catching Australia by 2025.

After all the whole idea is for this to be results based. The results are unclear, the stats avaibale deliberately fudged and the case for it ludicrous. There is no plan to boost jobs or stimulate the economy. And dividing us more and more against ourselves is no way out of a recession.

Get along to your 1pm rally today

Good to see some support already! Send it on to your mates. It is going to be a bit of a heart wrench for me actually- eat there a bit. But hey- can home cook burgers too...
martinb2010-08-21 11:34:21

Paraparaumu is getting one but I think its on hold until they sort out exactly what is happening with the new western bypass route.

Are Burger Fuel outlets franchises? If so, i'm all for boycotting the auckland one, but there very well may be good responsible employers running the other sites, and I wouldn't like to punish them over one knobend manager.

Agree with Steve-o

SACK RICKI....er I mean Don't Sack Ricki unless you give a good reason!

Not quite sure why we're all believeing this girl without digging any deeper.  She lost her job SIX MONTHS ago.  What's she been doing in the time since?  Looking for another job?  Ah, that would be "no".

Doesn't sound very two-sided to me - seems pretty much one-eyed, although you do have a point.

The law is fine.

If you really believe a company would abuse this kind of thing regularly and go through the expense of having to retrain new workers you're having a laugh.

I will be making special effort to get the Burger Fuel tonight.Michael2010-08-21 16:09:19

National is doing the most for this economy in 12 years. Have you read the budget? (The actual Budget - not that bullsh*t the media /labour spam out)? Have you studied economics so you can actually read the budget?

Side fact about NZ employment, is that most rural towns have labour shortages, yet no one gets off their arse and moves out there.

For the record, I'm by no means a National supporter. I hate everyone in parliament, they're all c**ts who need to get some real life skills before trying to be leaders they're not. But any whom...Michael2010-08-21 16:23:41

Most employers are good. Some are sh*t.

Most employees are good. Some are sh*t.

But it's funny how people take sides automatically, instead of on a case-by-case basis. I'm sure everyone here's experienced exploitation by their employer, and everyone has worked alongside someone who was a slacker and/or useless.

Yeah that's right, I'm sitting on the FENCE motherf**kers.

Never believe anyone who is this sure of himself, kids.

Agree with LF1 on this one.

The thing with any law is that there will be extremes that the law doesn't deal with particularly well so that acts as a spotlight for discontents to focus on.

Not every owner of a business or manager will be a good employer and so can abuse the 90 day period. But you would expect most employers to recognise good employees as assets to their business and the 90 day period becomes a formality.

BTW does the 90-day period apply in the A-League? Or are we stuck with sh!t players or players with sh!t attitudes?







(and 5,4,3,2,1...)

Count me out, I CBFed with the argument.

Joanne Bartlett's dismissal came a few days after she had asked for more than a single 10 minute lunch break each day she had been receiving for an 8 hour shift.


This has nothing to do with the 90 day trial argument, though. You can defend the 90 day law, but that does not mean you have to defend Burger Fuel for being pricks. IF the case is true, of course.

I think we should sack Leo for taking a 10 minute break from his game last week.

The previous law allowed for a trial period for which someone could be released for performance reasons.  So you had to outline the reasons for ceasing employment i.e. they couldn't flip burgers, or they were rude to customers etc.

It's just now someone can be released for any reason at all (expect for stuff covered under the bill of rights...sex, ethnicity, religion...although if you don't have to give a reason then noone would know what the reason is).
 

I would boycott if I didn't love Burger Fuel so much. Living in Thames I'm sick to sh*t of McDonalds. The thought of Burger Fuel for lunch makes moving back to Auckland more appealling.

There may well be two sides to this, but waiting till the 89th day smacks of expoitation.

Burger Fuel is by far the best gourmet burger chain, in my opinion. I had Burger Wisonsin and it was sh*thouse. I'm keen to give Murder Burger a go. Soul Burger in Whangamata isn't bad, but I'm sure that is a little out of the way for most people on here.

Meh. Fish and Chips. Thames is good at that.

Amen to that. Central Fish and Chips on Pollen St is ace.

10 minute lunch break?

ffs, sort your sh*t out NZ.

absolutely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLmiwH1_9Pc eariler today at Civic Square

A group from here went down and picketed Burger Fuel in Wellington.

liverpoolfan12010-08-21 17:26:21

It's still F@@king bu!!sh*t though Eh !

The whole thing,
I mean  if she was smart she'd have waited till the 90th day was up but should she have had too ?
A ten minute break every three hours woopie by the time you make your was to the staffroom to eat or make a coffee you'd have to return to your station.
it frustrates me this whole 90 day law and how it can be exploited by employers, i don't disagree if someone isn't up to the task then off you go but, it's not having a right of reply or means to contest that sucks completely. espcially if you get fired for stupid personal reason rather than your work ethic or abilities to do the job well

How good are the fries with aioli?

The asking for an extra break is a red herring - this wasn't the reason she wasn't kept on - it's something she (and her rabid supporters) have seized upon to show the apparent ludicrousness of this law.

Surely they knew she was sh*t earlier than they sacked her. She also deserves to know why she was sacked. The break question was apparently all she had to go on.

It's the 89th day sacking and lack of explanation that riles people. I don't see why in order to give employers rights you must take away those of workers.

And the aioli and chips is awesome.

I'm not boycotting Burgerfuel they're f**king ace.

This.

No obviously, I'm not disagreeing with that, i just don't like the whole your fired i don't have to tell you why and theres nothing you can do about it that goes along with the whole bill. it's  bloody bu!!sh*t

But that was apparently part of her problem - she asked for what she was contractually entitled to, (At least this is my understanding) but the place was quite often busy, so she was expected to 'help out' and 'pitch in' when busy. Fine if it happens now and then, but if its occouring constantly then they were understaffed and its the managers problem.

Also, I don't buy that it was that hard to dismiss incompetent people under the old law. Yes you couldn't do it instantly, but is it really that hard to give underperforming staff 1) warning they are underperforming 2) extra training/a chance to correct their underperformance.
Yes, the law required some effort on behalf of management, and imposes some costs, but I don't beleive that is a huge sacrifice when compared against the possibility of bad employers exploiting their employees. I've worked for good managers who have done this, and never had any issues with labour disputes, because they deal in GOOD FAITH with their employees, even underperforming ones.

I don't think good faith is to much to ask, and that certainly wasn't shown in the BF example, or in the cry for extending no-cause needed dismissal.aitkenmike2010-08-21 19:40:09

I'm just going to boycott the branch. Not like I'm ever in Mission Bay anyway.

Which would be illegal though...

You are entitled to the following rest breaks and meal breaks during a work period:

• one 10-minute paid rest break if you work for 2 hours or more but not more than 4 hours
• one 10-minute paid rest break and one unpaid 30-minute meal break if you work more than 4 hours but not more than 6 hours, and
• two 10-minute paid rest breaks and one unpaid 30-minute meal break if you work more than 6 hours but not more than 8 hours.

These requirements begin over again if your work period is more than 8 hours.

I know Joanne personally and she has told the truth to the media. After looking for a job since April she was contacted to share her story. She isn't trying to get at burger fuel but the 90 day crap law.
I myself think that the management at the mission bay store is absolutely crap. He shift managers thinks so too.

http://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/quotutu-squadquot-names-and-shames-burger-fuel-89th-day-sacking/5/59539#comment-15183

Having worked in retail, it also sucks when it is so busy you can't get away for your break and have gone several hours remaining on your feet busting your arse for minimum wage. Yeah it sucks you have to wait, but how long have they waited for their break?