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ANZAC Day

Three for me, and two for them.

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They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old;
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.


Buffon II2009-04-24 18:14:26

Three for me, and two for them.

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E + R + O

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^^^Yip.
 
ANZAC Day quiz:
 
 
1. Who are these two men/giants?
 
 
2. Give one reason why men/giants of the 28th Maori Battalion preferred using captured German MP40 sub machine guns?
 
 
3. Of the 760 men/giants belonging to the Wellington Battalion defending Chunuk Bair, how many became casualties after the 8 August 1915 Turkish counterattack?
 
a) 211
b) 411
c) 711
 
No googling.
 
Stevo2009-04-24 19:04:57
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Raising a glass to the boys as we speak. Will raise a few more tomorrow. 
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3. (c)
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 C-Diddy2009-04-24 22:46:14

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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LOLapaloza, Dids. Champagne comedy!
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Lest we forget.
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Brilliant turn outs everywhere for this years commemoration and rightly so, to so many we owe so much. They will never ever be forgotten!
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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We will remember them 
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Answers:
 
1. New Zealand's greatest officer: Howard Kippenberger and NZ's greatest soldier: Charles Upham. 
 
2. The MP40 made more noise than standard British rifles.
 
3. c) 711
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Mark of the Lion is one of the better books I have ever read! Can anyone point me in the direction of other books on Upham? Would love to know more.
The story about him getting his potrait done and the guy with the telegraph coming into say he won his 2nd VC and he put the telegraph in the pocket. Amazing stuff

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If any of you are into biographies or autobiographies I would recommend "The Big Show" by Pierre Clostermann - A French RAF pilots story. A few NZ mentions in it too.
 
And if you want one one the opposition, "The Golden Horseshoe" About German U Boat commander Otto Kretschmer and U99. Both are awesome reads from men who not glorifying war but telling you how it was for each of them.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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From what I understand, Chunuk Bair (the heights taken by the NZers, relieved by the British but then lost it to the Turks) was the only postion that the ANZACs could see their object from - the other side of the peninsula.  Can anyone correct me or eleborate?
 
Also saw a good doco on ANZAC Day called "Lost In Lybia".  About the Long Range Desert Group, the forerunner of the SAS.  It was an elite raiding group of 30 (at any 1 time) made up of entirely of Kiwis, mostly farmers serving in the army.  125 all up went thru the LRDG.
Wongo2009-04-27 12:48:19
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Wongo wrote:
From what I understand, Chunuk Bair (the heights taken by the NZers, relieved by the British but then lost it to the Turks) was the only postion that the ANZACs could see their object from - the other side of the peninsula.  Can anyone correct me or eleborate?
 
Also saw a good doco on ANZAC Day called "Lost In Lybia".  About the Long Range Desert Group, the forerunner of the SAS.  It was an elite raiding group of 30 (at any 1 time) made up of entirely of Kiwis, mostly farmers serving in the army.  125 all up went thru the LRDG.
 
Not true to say LRDG forerunner of SAS, was created slightly before but both groups coexisted. Infact the SAS came to rely heavily on the LRDG for transport to and from its objectives.
 
Love all the great Docos on over ANZAC weekend, watched one last night on Doco channel. A counteractual about Hitler invading Britain. Was excellent

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bopman wrote:
Wongo wrote:
From what I understand, Chunuk Bair (the heights taken by the NZers, relieved by the British but then lost it to the Turks) was the only postion that the ANZACs could see their object from - the other side of the peninsula.  Can anyone correct me or eleborate?
 
Also saw a good doco on ANZAC Day called "Lost In Lybia".  About the Long Range Desert Group, the forerunner of the SAS.  It was an elite raiding group of 30 (at any 1 time) made up of entirely of Kiwis, mostly farmers serving in the army.  125 all up went thru the LRDG.
 
Not true to say LRDG forerunner of SAS, was created slightly before but both groups coexisted. Infact the SAS came to rely heavily on the LRDG for transport to and from its objectives.
 
Love all the great Docos on over ANZAC weekend, watched one last night on Doco channel. A counteractual about Hitler invading Britain. Was excellent

You have to read "Killing Rommel", a novel based on the exploits of the LRDG - it's brilliant!


kiwi pie2009-04-27 14:31:49
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Though it's accuracy has been questioned - this is a VERY good read: tension, ,  times,  times, Russian winters, Kursk offensive, retreats, gore, surrender.  Has it all really.
 
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Sigh.
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On behalf of Vic Students with brains I apologise, the Workers Party have now run our Student Association 3 years straight and its a bit ridiculous.

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I'd rather no wreath than the "pro-communist wreath" lain a couple years ago (I'd be shocked if they weren't involved).

That being said, this is more about them making a statement rather than restraining themselves from stupidity. So they can still sod off.

/still surprised she got in, especially after Cosgrove
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ANZAC Day is not about being pro-war.  I'm not pro-war, however, I personally think that there were wars that needed to be fought e.g. WW2.  Someone had to stop Hitler & Tojo (to a lesser extent Mussolini).  WW1 could have been avoided.  From what I understand, correct me if I'm wrong, WW1 was about alliances.  A Serbian nationalist assassinated Arch Duke Ferdinand from Austria.  Austria wanted to punish Serbia with the help of Germany/Prussia.  But Serbians, being of Slavic origins, sought the protection of Russia (also of Slavic origins), which were "allies" of Britain (& colonies) & France at the time.  So it was all sabre-rattling initially.  Any thoughts?
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Wongo wrote:
ANZAC Day is not about being pro-war.� I'm not pro-war, however, I personally think that there were wars that needed to be fought e.g. WW2.� Someone had to stop Hitler & Tojo (to a lesser extent Mussolini).� WW1 could have been avoided.� From�what I understand, correct me if I'm wrong, WW1 was about alliances.� A Serbian nationalist assassinated Arch Duke Ferdinand from Austria.� Austria wanted to punish Serbia�with the help of Germany/Prussia.� But Serbians, being of Slavic origins, sought the protection of Russia (also of Slavic origins), which were "allies" of Britain (& colonies) & France at the time.� So it was all sabre-rattling initially.� Any thoughts?


Gavrilo Princip. c**t.
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Wongo wrote:
ANZAC Day is not about being pro-war.  I'm not pro-war, however, I personally think that there were wars that needed to be fought e.g. WW2.  Someone had to stop Hitler & Tojo (to a lesser extent Mussolini).  WW1 could have been avoided.  From what I understand, correct me if I'm wrong, WW1 was about alliances.  A Serbian nationalist assassinated Arch Duke Ferdinand from Austria.  Austria wanted to punish Serbia with the help of Germany/Prussia.  But Serbians, being of Slavic origins, sought the protection of Russia (also of Slavic origins), which were "allies" of Britain (& colonies) & France at the time.  So it was all sabre-rattling initially.  Any thoughts?


That's basically how I understand it as well.  Utter waste of life.

I don't know if this is true, but I heard somebody say that Princip had actually given up trying to kill Archduke Franz Ferdinand and went into a cafe.  However, not long after the Archduke came past the cafe so Princip took his opportunity.  Is that right?
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loyalgunner wrote:

Wongo wrote:
ANZAC Day is not about being pro-war.� I'm not pro-war, however, I personally think that there were wars that needed to be fought e.g. WW2.� Someone had to stop Hitler & Tojo (to a lesser extent Mussolini).� WW1 could have been avoided.� From�what I understand, correct me if I'm wrong, WW1 was about alliances.� A Serbian nationalist assassinated Arch Duke Ferdinand from Austria.� Austria wanted to punish Serbia�with the help of Germany/Prussia.� But Serbians, being of Slavic origins, sought the protection of Russia (also of Slavic origins), which were "allies" of Britain (& colonies) & France at the time.� So it was all sabre-rattling initially.� Any thoughts?
That's basically how I understand it as well.� Utter waste of life.I don't know if this is true, but I heard somebody say that Princip had actually given up trying to kill Archduke Franz Ferdinand and went into a cafe.� However, not long after the Archduke came past the cafe so Princip took his opportunity.� Is that right?


Yep. I believe there were 6 conspirators in all - they had all been furnished with hand grenades and pistols by their Serbian contact. They were all lined up around the route the Archduke's convoy was taking, and one of the guys threw a hand grenade which ended up in the wrong car and seriously injuring the occupants of that car, think one of them was an Austrian general. Anyway, the Archduke and his wife got safely to town hall, but after his wife heard that people had been injured, she insisted they visit them in the hospital. On the way to the hospital, the driver of Archduke's car took a wrong tirn into a side street - Princip, who'd thought they'd lost their chance, was in the cafe right on the corner of that street. As he came out, he saw Archduke's car not 10 yards away from him. He pulled out his pistol and shot to death both the Arcduke and his wife before being wrestled by the police and the locals. Princip was quite young at the time, think he was 18-19. He died in prison from TB some 3-4 years later.

There used to be a plaque in Sarajevo on the corner where all this happened, and Princip's steps where he allegedly stood when firing were encased in the concrete. I believe the concrete steps have now been removed, and the plaque's been reworded since 1991.
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unfukinbelieveable  common sense 101  should be a compulsory course at university

Have some bloody  respect ffs Vuwsa
it's not about remembering war, it's about the people who died  because of war and most we're of similar age to the people currently in charge of vuwsa more than likely some were students that went to war only to never return  as well


giddyup2009-04-29 16:27:02
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