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British Election

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Anyone following this today?
 
Will be an interesting result, proves for me what a horrid system FPP is! MMP is not perfect but Proportional Representation seems like the much better option.
 
I wonder what would have to happen today to create enough momentum for change in Britain?

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The only way change to a proportional system will happen is if the LibDems get enough seats to make it a condition of their coallition agreement, and even then, i'm not sure if either of the main parties will agree to it. The two big parties idea of reform is to oppose everything until they get there arms bent into accepting something like single electorate STV, which is only a slightly superior method to FPP.

At the moment, it somehow looks like the LibDems are dropping a seat from last time by the current exit polls.
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aitkenmike wrote:
The only way change to a proportional system will happen is if the LibDems get enough seats to make it a condition of their coallition agreement, and even then, i'm not sure if either of the main parties will agree to it. The two big parties idea of reform is to oppose everything until they get there arms bent into accepting something like single electorate STV, which is only a slightly superior method to FPP.

At the moment, it somehow looks like the LibDems are dropping a seat from last time by the current exit polls.
Which makes a mockery of having any kind of opinion polls in the lead up to the election, basically every poll had the Lib Dems 2nd and yet they will lose a seat on last time.
 
Crazy stuff.
 
Now I know how all those Social Credit fans must have felt in NZ in the 70's and early 80s

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bopman wrote:
aitkenmike wrote:
The only way change to a proportional system will happen is if the LibDems get enough seats to make it a condition of their coallition agreement, and even then, i'm not sure if either of the main parties will agree to it. The two big parties idea of reform is to oppose everything until they get there arms bent into accepting something like single electorate STV, which is only a slightly superior method to FPP.

At the moment, it somehow looks like the LibDems are dropping a seat from last time by the current exit polls.
Which makes a mockery of having any kind of opinion polls in the lead up to the election, basically every poll had the Lib Dems 2nd and yet they will lose a seat on last time.
 
Crazy stuff.
 
Now I know how all those Social Credit fans must have felt in NZ in the 70's and early 80s
 

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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FPP is horrible this election is showing it too me, have been doing a bit on electoral systems at uni and being able to know the pros and cons of both is making this better to watch.
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Check out Auntie Beeb's interactive website: Sunderland have a claim for first this year. Not many times Mackems can make that claim   
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Tories will get in and nothing will change. Hype over nothing.

Three for me, and two for them.

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Buffon II wrote:
Tories will get in and nothing will change. Hype over nothing.


That is what it is looking like at the moment - Tories don't really need 326 - the Sinn Fein members probably won't show, so less than half will be a majority. Only interesting thing will be how high the LibDems poll percentage wise, and how far off their proportion of seats will be. If its high enough, there may be a drive for change.

I think about the worst thing for the LibDems would be a hung parliament by 1 or 2 seats, then a coallition with Gordon Brown. The 'story' would then be about LibDems propping up an unelected Prime Minister.
aitkenmike2010-05-07 12:25:16
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A couple of weeks ago the stories were about Clegg becoming PM in a case like that, could that happen?

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I hadn't heard that. I don't see how a leader with 60-70 seats could be PM ahead of a party with 250ish seats. Who knows though, the Poms are going absolutely nuts at the thought of having a coallition Govt - the reality of politics here for the last 15 years.aitkenmike2010-05-07 12:43:38
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aitkenmike wrote:
I hadn't heard that. I don't see how a leader with 60-70 seats could be PM ahead of a party with 250ish seats. Who knows though, the Poms are going absolutely nuts at the thought of having a coallition Govt - the reality of politics here for the last 15 years.
I think it was going to be based on the fact that the Lib Dems would win a greater share of the popular vote than Labour

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Buffon II wrote:
Tories will get in and nothing will change. Hype over nothing.


Hmmmm...I'm not sure everyone involved in immigration, education or the environment would agree.
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HarryHotspur wrote:
Buffon II wrote:
Tories will get in and nothing will change. Hype over nothing.


Hmmmm...I'm not sure everyone involved in immigration, education or the environment would agree.


Yeah but they'll be wrong won't they. Broken Britain will remain and the Tories will make little real impact on issues that matter at the present time.

Three for me, and two for them.

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Fair enough...but things getting worse does equal change!
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Clegg campaigned on no deal with Labour if Brown is the boss.
fairly emphatically...
enough of Labour want or could cope with Brown out
Ed Balls anyone?

E's Flat Ah's Flat Too

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Imagine the chants of 'Balls out!' when people start to campaign against him...headline writers dream


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Ed Balls shakes hands with Dick Palmer
I see Murdoch's quasi-fascist rag The Scum nailed it's colors to the mast

E's Flat Ah's Flat Too

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