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Brits make one last push for new olympic sport

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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C-Diddy2011-08-09 12:13:24

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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C-Diddy wrote:






Typical aussie comment.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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Best analysis to date: http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/riots-caused-by-society-or-lazy%2c-thieving-pricks%2c-say-experts-201108094174/
 
 
 "It's all about quick decisions. This is isn't Currys on a Saturday afternoon, this is Currys at one o'clock on a Sunday morning with 15 rozzers outside, all of whom are tremendously keen to f**k you up."

Junior822011-08-10 10:01:07

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appreciate that humour helps people understand sh*t like this, but its really sad actually. Really sad for that country and the people. As much as from a distance we can blame social and political factors it is really just about people who are too scared to walk down their streets.

Salmon swim upstream

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Some good articles in the Guardian if you want to get all cereal.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

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yeah i do, im in a maudlin way-like many on here i've lived in London (and Bristol) and i am just sad for them- its not all jolly umbrellas and fizzy pop.
Im normally all for the satire mind you.

Salmon swim upstream

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Apparently Ann summers in Bexley Heath has been done, they smashed the back doors right in!

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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Salmon07 wrote:
yeah i do, im in a maudlin way-like many on here i've lived in London (and Bristol) and i am just sad for them- its not all jolly umbrellas and fizzy pop.
Im normally all for the satire mind you.
I've been reading the Guardian thoroughly over the last few days.  There's very good commentary and analysis there, but too many articles to post links.
 
 

"Phoenix till they lose"

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pricks just need to stop breaking sh*t
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You must be a Daily Mail reader then?

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From the Guardian

Perhaps sport should indeed have some part to play, however minor. London won the 2012 bid on the back of its young people, their significance symbolised by a funky "street art" logo. Promises were hurled around by Tessa Jowell, Sebastian Coe and Ken Livingstone, all pointing to the Olympics as a focus of hope and fulfilment for the young. "This is about kids," Livingstone said.

"Choose London today," Coe said, "and you send out a clear message to the youth of the world. It is a decision about which city will help show a new generation why Olympic sport matters."

In the six years since the bid was won the area has seen much in the way of architectural activity but little in the way of tangible dividends for the younger generation in the London boroughs of Newham, Tower Hamlets, Waltham Forest and Haringey.

Meanwhile, youth centres are closing. Eight of 13 have gone in Haringey alone. And school sports programmes in the UK are severely curtailed. Some of the young footballers who would have been playing at Wembley on Wednesday are on salaries of more than �200,000 a week. The nearest most of this week's rioters will get to that is a pair of looted trainers.

Salmon swim upstream

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Salmon07 wrote:
yeah i do, im in a maudlin way-like many on here i've lived in London (and Bristol) and i am just sad for them- its not all jolly umbrellas and fizzy pop.Im normally all for the satire mind you.


Meh. As long as there's no bodies strung up on lamp-posts, it's not a proper riot.
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Downey26 wrote:
pricks just need to stop breaking sh*t
 
This.
 
Theres no justification for it.

Allegedly

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I did laugh at this from Wilso:
 
The police have set up a useful website for those worried about the riots. You type in your postcode and it tells you if there is likely to be trouble near you.
 
 
He's in Bristol but assures me he's fine, enjoying the new 60 inch Plasma he picked up from a shop front last night and the case of Whiskey.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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I wonder if these little c**ts would f**k their city over if they knew what it was like to have a natural disaster do it for them. I just cant get my head around people doing sh*t like this for no good reason. Maybe if they had a mental dictator f**king their country in the ass it might be more acceptable. These kids are just realising what they can get away with if they do it in big numbers.

The parents have a lot to answer for.

Fuck this stupid game

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Ask the little hooded f**kers what was the original issue that sparked the riots & I bet that 99.99% of them would reply "...duuuhhhh, dunno". How convenient that sports, clothing & electrical goods stores were the targets of the rioter's "anger". Bring in the water cannons.
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I passed 2 white middle class folks laughing about it outside New World tonight. Talking to folk back home at the time I don't recall them making jokes about the earthquakes.
ForteanTimes2011-08-10 19:58:52

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ForteanTimes wrote:
I passed 2 white middle class folks laughing about it outside New World tonight. Talking to folk back home at the time I don't recall them making jokes about the earthquakes.
 
Should we all be in mourning because a bunch of little scroats are smashing up their local Lidl?  There are some terrible photos/videos at the moment (specifically the women jumping from a burning building and the kid who has been beaten up getting his back-pack rummaged through by people supposedly helping him) but mostly it is a bunch of little f**kwits playing a real life game of Grand Theft Auto.  f**k them - the police will enventually have to play a stronger hand and then after all the screams of police brutality it will calm down and all be forgotten about.  It hardly needs to be discussed in somber tones and with a minutes silence every hour for a month.  This isn't a people's princess dying.
 
I am trying to organise one of these local community cleanups round my way.  There hasn't been any rioting but there has been a massive horse sh*t on the footpath between my door and my local tube station for nearly 2 weeks now (it has been there since the Arsenal vs NY Red Bulls game).

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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Frankie Mac wrote:
ForteanTimes wrote:
I passed 2 white middle class folks laughing about it outside New World tonight. Talking to folk back home at the time I don't recall them making jokes about the earthquakes.
 
Should we all be in mourning because a bunch of little scroats are smashing up their local Lidl?  There are some terrible photos/videos at the moment (specifically the women jumping from a burning building and the kid who has been beaten up getting his back-pack rummaged through by people supposedly helping him) but mostly it is a bunch of little f**kwits playing a real life game of Grand Theft Auto.  f**k them - the police will enventually have to play a stronger hand and then after all the screams of police brutality it will calm down and all be forgotten about.  It hardly needs to be discussed in somber tones and with a minutes silence every hour for a month.  This isn't a people's princess dying.
 
I am trying to organise one of these local community cleanups round my way.  There hasn't been any rioting but there has been a massive horse sh*t on the footpath between my door and my local tube station for nearly 2 weeks now (it has been there since the Arsenal vs NY Red Bulls game).
 
 
It's upsetting for me and other brits away from home as we can't understand it and yet we can understand it and we are not there.
 
Years of neglect, what 3 generations of folks so friggin disconnected from their community and their country that this sort of behaviour is acceptable to them? Years of no jobs or anything where dealing weed and whizz and living off benefits is a lifestyle thats perfectly fine. Watching the likes of Paris Hilton have everything for doing nothing and we wonder why these people start looting. The press I'm mean where do you start?
 
30 years of sh*te, from successive governments that killed communites and took jobs with cuts to basic services that make stuff over here look like chicken feed. At least with the riots of my youth there was some purpose behind it. This is so moronic it is heartbreaking.
 
I always say that for a society to work it has to keep basic non-profit institutions like health, education and culture alive otherwise it dies. This is what we are seeing.
 
My mum works in a small library that regularly has 20 odd pensioners in during the morning and have set up stuff to get the local eastern european kids in to welcome them to the community. It's has been pretty successful and  has helped build bridges with that new community who's people work bloody hard for sh*tty wages. That library will probably cease to exist in couple of months to be replaced by nothing. As you know this is pretty common, you can't put a price on stuff like that little library does.
 
So yes I am feeling pretty mournful and I'm f**king well allowed to as at 8 years old I saw Thatcher come to power and pretty much began all this and I watched over the years my country turn into this pile of sh*t.
 
And I'm pissed too at the jokes, if Kiwi's can't see that this can happen over here then they are retarded.

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That's better analysis than anything I've seen on TV FT.
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ForteanTimes wrote:

Frankie Mac wrote:
ForteanTimes wrote:

I passed 2 white middle class folks laughing about it outside New World tonight.�Talking to folk back home at the time�I don't recall them making jokes about the earthquakes.


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Should we all be in mourning because a bunch of little scroats are smashing up their local Lidl?� There are some terrible photos/videos at the moment (specifically the women jumping from a burning building and the kid who has been beaten up getting his back-pack rummaged through by people supposedly helping him) but�mostly it is a bunch of little f**kwits playing a real life game of Grand Theft Auto.� f**k them - the police will enventually have to play a stronger hand and then after all the screams of police brutality it will calm down and all be forgotten about.� It hardly needs to be discussed in somber tones and with a minutes silence every hour for a month.� This isn't a people's princess dying.

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I am trying to organise one of these local community cleanups round my way.� There hasn't been any rioting but there has been a massive horse sh*t on the footpath between my door and my local tube station for nearly 2 weeks now (it has been there since the Arsenal vs NY Red Bulls game).

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It's upsetting for me and other brits away from home as we can't understand it and yet we can understand it and we are not there.
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Years of neglect, what 3 generations of folks so friggin disconnected from their community and their country that this sort of behaviour is acceptable to them? Years of no jobs or�anything where�dealing weed and whizz and living off benefits is a�lifestyle thats perfectly fine. Watching the likes of Paris Hilton have everything for doing nothing and we wonder why these people start looting. The press I'm mean where do you start?
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30 years of sh*te, from successive governments that killed communites and took jobs with cuts to basic services�that make stuff over here look like chicken feed. At least with the riots of my youth there was�some purpose behind it. This is so moronic it is heartbreaking.
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I always say that for a society to work it has to keep basic non-profit institutions like health, education and�culture alive otherwise it dies. This is what we are seeing.
�
My mum works in a small library that regularly has 20 odd pensioners in�during the morning and have set up stuff to get the local eastern european kids in to welcome them to the community.�It's has been pretty�successful and �has helped build bridges with that new community who's�people�work bloody hard for sh*tty wages. That library will probably cease to exist in couple of months to be replaced by nothing. As you know this is pretty common, you can't put a price on stuff like that little library does.
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So yes I am feeling pretty mournful and I'm f**king well allowed to as at 8 years old I saw�Thatcher come to power and pretty much began all this and I watched over the years�my country turn into this pile of sh*t.
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And I'm pissed too at the jokes, if Kiwi's can't see that this can happen over here then they are retarded.


Regardless of Margaret Thatcher(which is a long time ago)
the Labour Gove. has turned the UK into a pile of sh*te.
There are nearly 1000000 illegal people in the UK now thanks the Tony Blair and his mates.
I was a lot older than 8 when M. Thather was in power,and it went down hill very quickly when labour got in power.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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FT - that is very heart-wrenching but I have no idea who you are trying to blame.  Paris Hilton???  All the governments over the last 3 generations??????  Thatcher??????
 
The fact that this situation has happened is nothing to do with any of them (although if someone wanted to give Paris Hilton a slap for causing this, I would hardly be up in arms about it).  There is still free health care and education for those who want it - if it is profit generating or not is irrelevant.  Also there are jobs if people want them.  The fact that some libraries and youth clubs have closed down have absolutely no impact on what has happened over the last 4 nights anymore than Seattle Coffee Company changing its name to Starbucks has.

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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The quote that sums their actions up for me is
 
"We see the rest of the people getting free stuff, so we thought why not us too?"
 
They don't give a sh*t about any of the political or social reasons people on the outside are attatching to it.

Allegedly

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Tegal wrote:
The quote that sums their actions up for me is
 
"We see the rest of the people getting free stuff, so we thought why not us too?"
 
They don't give a sh*t about any of the political or social reasons people on the outside are attatching to it.

Sadly, what so many of them won't realise is nothing comes for free.
You always end up paying for it, one way or another.

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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yeah, that slap on the wrist and �40 fine if they are caught will teach them that they did wrong.

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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Frankie Mac wrote:
FT - that is very heart-wrenching but I have no idea who you are trying to blame.  Paris Hilton???  All the governments over the last 3 generations??????  Thatcher??????
 
 
 
The fact that this situation has happened is nothing to do with any of them (although if someone wanted to give Paris Hilton a slap for causing this, I would hardly be up in arms about it).  There is still free health care and education for those who want it - if it is profit generating or not is irrelevant.  Also there are jobs if people want them.  The fact that some libraries and youth clubs have closed down have absolutely no impact on what has happened over the last 4 nights anymore than Seattle Coffee Company changing its name to Starbucks has.
Nice use of question marks there.
So what is your answer then? or should I say then??????????
 
After all you you like to play the edgy horesh*t-cleaning man in the warzone that legitmizes everything you say, so what do you think is behind it?
 
 
Also whats with the obnoxious tone of your posts all the time? I work with aggressive, angry and confrontational behaviour daily with levels of obnxiousness that actually make you shake your head and smile at the venom. Just wondering what it's all about?
 
I made another rambling post but went for a nice run and was wondering why the anger all the time? I try not to post when pissed anymore beacause I come across as an arseh*le is that it?
 
Agreed with the other poster Blair awful and twisted and Callagahan was shambolic not just Thatcher. My poiint about celebs is that literally at times they get away with murder and yet they get rewarded with more success and attention.
 
 
 
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Frankie Mac wrote:
FT - that is very heart-wrenching but I have no idea who you are trying to blame.  Paris Hilton???  All the governments over the last 3 generations??????  Thatcher??????
 
 
 
The fact that this situation has happened is nothing to do with any of them (although if someone wanted to give Paris Hilton a slap for causing this, I would hardly be up in arms about it).  There is still free health care and education for those who want it - if it is profit generating or not is irrelevant.  Also there are jobs if people want them.  The fact that some libraries and youth clubs have closed down have absolutely no impact on what has happened over the last 4 nights anymore than Seattle Coffee Company changing its name to Starbucks has.
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ForteanTimes wrote:
Nice use of question marks there.
So what is your answer then? or should I say then??????????[/QUOTE]
 
The only people to blame is the kids and adults out on the streets kicking in windows, and setting fire to peoples houses and businesses.  Their parents may be f**kwits who have raised them with a shocking lack of regard for anybody else, but ultimately they have each and individually made a decision to act like c**ts.
 
[QUOTE=ForteanTimes]After all you you like to play the edgy horesh*t-cleaning man in the warzone that legitmizes everything you say, so what do you think is behind it?
 
I thought the tone of my post about the horsesh*t made it clear I was about as far from the "warzone" as it is possible to be, while still being in London.  I live a pretty sheltered, middle class existence so the closest i have seen to problems is when someone spilt some hummus in my local Waitrose and didn't go and find one of the staff to clean it up.
 
 
[QUOTE=ForteanTimes]Also whats with the obnoxious tone of your posts all the time? I work with aggressive, angry and confrontational behaviour daily with levels of obnxiousness that actually make you shake your head and smile at the venom. Just wondering what it's all about?
I am probably just an obnoxious person.  I actually thought that (multiple question marks aside) that my post was reasonably non angry for me - my posts are usually littered with c**ts, wanks and f**ks.
 
 
Frankie Mac2011-08-11 06:58:31

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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f**k you!

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FM, I apologise for my language then.
 
Its not my fault though, it is the fault of society.

Allegedly

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Frankie Mac wrote:
 
Frankie Mac wrote:
FT - that is very heart-wrenching but I have no idea who you are trying to blame.  Paris Hilton???  All the governments over the last 3 generations??????  Thatcher??????
 
 
 
The fact that this situation has happened is nothing to do with any of them (although if someone wanted to give Paris Hilton a slap for causing this, I would hardly be up in arms about it).  There is still free health care and education for those who want it - if it is profit generating or not is irrelevant.  Also there are jobs if people want them.  The fact that some libraries and youth clubs have closed down have absolutely no impact on what has happened over the last 4 nights anymore than Seattle Coffee Company changing its name to Starbucks has.
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ForteanTimes wrote:
Nice use of question marks there.
So what is your answer then? or should I say then??????????[/QUOTE]
 
The only people to blame is the kids and adults out on the streets kicking in windows, and setting fire to peoples houses and businesses.  Their parents may be f**kwits who have raised them with a shocking lack of regard for anybody else, but ultimately they have each and individually made a decision to act like c**ts.
 
[QUOTE=ForteanTimes]After all you you like to play the edgy horesh*t-cleaning man in the warzone that legitmizes everything you say, so what do you think is behind it?
 
I thought the tone of my post about the horsesh*t made it clear I was about as far from the "warzone" as it is possible to be, while still being in London.  I live a pretty sheltered, middle class existence so the closest i have seen to problems is when someone spilt some hummus in my local Waitrose and didn't go and find one of the staff to clean it up.
 
 
[QUOTE=ForteanTimes]Also whats with the obnoxious tone of your posts all the time? I work with aggressive, angry and confrontational behaviour daily with levels of obnxiousness that actually make you shake your head and smile at the venom. Just wondering what it's all about?
I am probably just an obnoxious person.  I actually thought that (multiple question marks aside) that my post was reasonably non angry for me - my posts are usually littered with c**ts, wanks and f**ks.
 
 


Have you made the same decision yourself?
I like tautologies because I like them.
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yes, although I'd say that my level of being a c**t (which basically seems to amount to being obnoxious on an internet forum) isn't on the same level as the people I was talking about (which involves mugging, random destruction of property and setting buildings on fire).
 
I suppose that we all have the different ways of judging things though.

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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Send in Harry Brown.

Fuck this stupid game

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The only people to blame is the kids and adults out on the streets kicking in windows, and setting fire to peoples houses and businesses. Their parents may be f**kwits who have raised them with a shocking lack of regard for anybody else, but ultimately they have each and individually made a decision to act like c**ts.

C'mon FM, you know as well as anyone that humans are a fine herd of conforming animals...
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HarryHotspur wrote:
The only people to blame is the kids and adults out on the streets kicking in windows, and setting fire to peoples houses and businesses. Their parents may be f**kwits who have raised them with a shocking lack of regard for anybody else, but ultimately they have each and individually made a decision to act like c**ts.

C'mon FM, you know as well as anyone that humans are a fine herd of conforming animals...
 
I read the first part of that and as there are no quotes on it I was not aware that it had been written by me - I was thinking how insightful it was and how I would struggle to say it better.  Shows how much I rate my opinions.
 
I had a mate who used to say to me "why be a sheep when you can be a shepherd".  For the first few years he used to say that I thought it was something to do with a fancy dress party, and then when I got older (into my 30's) I started to think it was something to do with f**king things as opposed to being f**ked by other things.  Only recently have I realised that it is to do with following or leading (or maybe something to do with fancy dress parties). 
 
Not sure if any of this is relevant, or even what my thoughts are on the possible sheep-like mentality of humans.  I guess my mates mum summed it up best when she said "if everyone else was throwing sheep of a bridge, would you?".  They were fixated with sheep, that family.

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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To add to that previous post, I don't really know about following trends as I never do it.  I posted something similar on my Twitter account the other day.

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/5435799/British-riot-parodies-emerge
 
Had to happen sooner or later.  C-didd's aardvark get's in on the act.  FT's mosh pit girl should be there as well.
 
(BTW although I'm quite right-leaning - in my middle-age - I actually agree more with FT in this thread.  Although the rioters are still thugs and complete dicks.)
 
 

"Phoenix till they lose"

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From the Guardian:

Certainly there were indications, in the comparatively small number of cases that reached sentencing, that magistrates across the country were in little mood for leniency.

In Manchester, Eoin Flanagan, 18, pleaded guilty to theft after he was arrested in Oxford Road with two jumpers and two pieces of musical equipment; he was jailed for eight months.

At Camberwell Green magistrates, Nicholas Robinson, 23, an electrical engineering student with no previous convictions, was jailed for the maximum permitted six months after pleading guilty to stealing bottles of water worth �3.50 from Lidl in Brixton. He had been walking back from his girlfriend's house in the early hours of Monday morning when he saw the store being looted, his lawyer said, and had taken the opportunity to go in and help himself to a case of water because he was thirsty. He was caught up in the moment, and was ashamed of his actions, his defence said.

But the prosecution told judge Alan Baldwin: "This defendant has contributed through his action to criminal activities to the atmosphere of chaos and sheer lawlessness." There were gasps from the public gallery as his sentence was delivered.

The mother of one convicted looter told the Guardian her son � who got 16 weeks for using "threatening or abusive language or behaviour" � had got a much harsher sentence because of the political climate. "If this wasn't the riot he wouldn't even have got a caution," she said. "It's all because of the riots."

Her son Ricky Gemmell had finished his shift at a Manchester call centre on Tuesday evening and gone home to change out of his suit before heading to the city centre; his family say to visit his girlfriend, with no intention of getting involved in trouble. He pleaded guilty, however, to telling officers during the riot: "I'd smash you if you took your uniform off" before being pinned to the ground and arrested. He became the first rioter to be jailed at a Manchester magistrates court session that began on Wednesday morning and ran late into the night.


Salmon swim upstream

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OK.  This is where my tory-ness comes out.  I don't have much sympathy for them actually.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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Frankie Mac wrote:
To add to that previous post, I don't really know about following trends as I never do it.� I posted something similar on my Twitter account the other day.


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