Clayton Weatherston

 

Legal aid whislt still in Prison.

 

The right to be a right disruptable F/Wit and not get punished for it.

 

Free University level Education

 

Free dental

 

Free Medical

 

There's six that Joe Average hasn't got.

I can get Legal Aid if I go to prison.

 

They do get punished for being f**kwits. Or do prisons/community service not exist?

 

For most it's a way of life where you have no responsibilities. You're given food, you're given clothes, your given education - if you want it, your power bill, rent, water are all supplied free.

 

You're given Legal aid only if you qualify, usually meaning you have nothing. There is no way this particular accused could afford Ablett-Kerr and Greg King. I'd be interested to know hopw he qualified.

 

Prison vs. Work
Just in case you ever get these two environments mixed up, keep scrolling scroll down.
This should make things a little bit clearer.

@ PRISON

@ WORK

You spend the majority of your time in a 10X10 cell


@ PRISON

you spend the majority of your time
In an 6X6 cubicle /office


@ WORK

You get three meals a day fully paid for


@ PRISON

you get a break for one meal and
You have to pay for it

@ WORK

You get time off for good behavior

you get more work for
Good behavior

@ PRISON
The guard locks and unlocks all the doors for you

@ PRISON

@ WORK
You must often carry a security card
And open all the doors for yourself

@ WORK

You can watch TV and play games


@ PRISON

you could get fired for watching
TV and playing games

@ WORK

You get your own toilet


@ PRISON

you have to share the toilet
@ WORK

They allow your family and friends to visit

@ PRISON

you aren't even supposed to speak
To your family

@ WORK

All expenses are paid by the taxpayers with no work required


@ PRISON

you get to pay all your expenses to go
To work, and they deduct taxes from
Your salary to pay for prisoners

@ WORK

You spend most of your life inside bars wanting to get out

you spend most of your time wanting
To get out and go inside bars

@ PRISON
You must deal with underpaid wardens

@ WORK
They are called overpaid managers

 

Peronsal liberty and freedom vs having no liberty and freedom at all...

 

You think because people are in prison they don't deserve protection, they dont have legal rights? They may be guilty so there should be no way back for them? You think we should put people in prison and let them rot so when they come out there is absolutely no chance they have been rehabilitated? Why not put them in prison, let them get an education they didn't get on the outside and hopefully they rejoin society as a better person.

 

I believe in harsh penalties and justice for victims but if we say criminals have no rights we could change the name of our country to Iran or North Korea, somewhere really peachy. The people who we don't want to have rights being given those rights is fundamental to a democratic society

 

Face it, there are some offenders who just dont give a f**k about anyone else nor careless about how many times they reoffend. Why should they have the same rights as law abiding citizens? I think once they go through the front door of a prison, especially after a 2nd or more offence, they should forgo most of their rights except for 3 meals a day, a roof over their head and medical treatment as required. The right to compensation from being injured from an escape attempt has fortunately been stopped. this occured after that guy went over the wall at Mt Eden and broke his leg when landing. He was then given an ACC payout.

 

Back to this topic. If this guy is found guilty he will do about 17 years at my guess, even though life is 10 years and thereafter you're allowed to apply for parole. With what he may have put the victim through is that long enough? he shows no remorse even when suggesting it was manslaughter. If he is found guilty of manslaughter, he'll be looking at about 8 years and parole eligibility from about 6 years. is that fair and just? And if found not guilty of either, what about the victim and her family??

 

Ditto for El grap.

 

Not being smart, just asking where you guys get your informative ideas from.

1) Yes, I've visited a prison.

 

2) LG can you answer my question? How much would you accept to go to prison?

 

Look @ what they get.. oh yes great

 

Look @ the people they have to sit with every day...

 

Prison, an amazing place

 

Er...

are you concerned these are free, or that they have acess to them.

As a visitor you get herded in through the front door, led to a visits area and have to form an opinion. Thats not really the same as access into the units / cells is it?

Still waiting for an answer....

 

How much?

 

Of course it has to be free. Because they are in prison they can't earn wages / salary. How do you expect them to pay for it? Do you want their families to pay, because just as a guess most of them will already being struggling already having one of their income supplies being removed.

Or do you just not want them to have any access to health / dental care etc at all?

I have in a volunteer capacity worked with a few people who have spent time in prisons, and can confirm that it in all the cases I've seen it is the last place they want to go back to.

 

And you have evidence that this happens now?

You mean pay for the doctors appointment or the treatment afterwards?  and you would be perfectly happy to tell a prisoners that you would refuse them basic medical treatment?