Dear Ignorant people....

But if you go the otherway you get the Cringeworthy Australia where a bunch of ill-informed bogans get hammered wearing Australian flags as capes and ignore the existance of any part of the population that isn't their dinky-die vision of Australia.

It's a short step from 'celebrating being a kiwi' to being hi-jacked by 'f**k Off we're full'.

Michael,

Do football teams just let media in to wander around or do they charge for TV rights?  Doesn't it cost this group to host these celebrations?  Time and effort for set up and hosting?

Is it wrong for them (like a football club) to try and recover some investment from TV companies who will sell advertising through the coverage that makes them hundreds of times that cost?



Yes because they could afford it, unlike I suspect a Maori Language network based in the Bay of Island that probably support the local iwi all year, not just for one day and run on a shoestring budget.

Behave.

I am sure (well, not actually sure, but that is why I am asking this) that the Mori-Oris were the original inhabintants of NZ, and then the Maori's came over from somewhere and ate them.  Is this true or an urban myth?

Debunked.

Maori tv could not justify the payment. Not sure why though.
And I heard that the Maori Language Network employs people from the iwi that owns the marae

Do you know why they won't let people have access. There could be a number of reasons.  Perhaps they have had trouble in the past with people leaving rubbish etc and think that it isn't worth the hassle.

General consensus is that the Moriori are just a sub tribe of Maori.
2ndBest2011-02-02 23:20:00

We were told on a few occasions up north that we were not allowed onto beaches because they were Maori owned and only for local Iwi.
The people who told us that, said that they personally didn't care if we were there or not. But others might (Guessing the Militant type ones)
On another occasion, we wanted to go for a walk in Rotorua in a part of land that was previously owned by the crown. The reason why we were not allowed to go is because the Local Iwi were building a 4X4 track to the top of the hill.
Perhaps its because the white devils leave rubbish. But I have been to a Maori Owned beach up near the Bay of Islands with a friend of mine and his family who were Maori. And that place was a sh*thole. Like Evans bay beaches.
I can safely say that (To the best of my knowledge) I have never been denied access to beaches or anything like that by non-maori land owners. The non-maori land owners we did come across, were more than happy to let us access the public land through their property.

My dad used to go tramping all over New Zealand and he took us tramping too. But he watched as some of his favorite walking tracks were closed to the public and turned into private roads or Iwi owned tourist attractions.Stefan2011-02-02 23:31:39

Served them up as a hungi. Tumeke

Hangi*

Hangi.

H?ngi*

Needed more macron.

2-1 to me now  

Yeah sure, but this also assumes the Iwi are all that poor (some of them have pretty big bank accounts you know)

However, a football game is a football game. It is not a national event. But I'm not going to lose any sleep over this. As I have grown older I've cared about this stuff less and less. (I use to be pretty passionate) If they want to marginalise themselves, so be it. In reality this "problem" is so insignificant with the rest of the world.Michael2011-02-03 00:07:28

But surely if the local Iwi spent all this money on accommodating the visitors and didn't recoup it via Kohas then that would be a hand out?  Or is it only a hand out when people wanna beat down on the poor?

More Winston Reids and less Police Ten 7 extras.

 

 

Massey Wellington isn't a real university

 

This is an interesting thread.

Cosimo2011-02-03 09:10:59

My (limited) understanding of the Waitangi Treaty is that it is actually 2 documents. One that was written in English by the Europeans and one that was translated into Maori, the latter of which is not as accurate as the former as there was no direct translation for a lot of English words in Maori therefore issues have arisen.

Correct.

My dad, who is also a member of the yellow fever, is a historian.
(yeaaaah.)
I'll get him to hold a nice lecture just for the yellow fever about the Treaty Of Waitangi.
Hahaaaaaa.

2B - you are most passionate about this topic.

Let me ask you a question, if you were the prime minister... what would your course of action about land issues (etc) be?

If NZ becomes a republic, is the treaty of Waitangi still valid?

Not sure if I would call myself passionate about the topic.  I just like to provide more facts to these type of discussions.
Obviously I'm not an expert so can't provide a 100% informed opinion, but I generally think that the current process(waitangi tribunal etc) seems to be working.  However, I don't agree with setting a time frame for settling dispute.  I don't think it helps to get fair settlements.

While I'm all for treaty settlements - I've studied NZ history - I do dislike how settlements all too often give financial benefit to Iwi elite (and lawyers!) and bypassing many Maori. All too regularly Maori on the ground recieve little benefit from the whole process. I understand Nga Tahu is an exception, an iwi where the money appears to filter down throughout - through business initiatives etc. The other issue is urbanised Maori who have become disconnected to their hapu are alienated from the process. Argh, the whole thing is just a big knot of problems, gives me a headache thinking about it. Another cider? Don't mind if I do.

Yeah or it'd be considered void.

A bit like Lincoln, is it?

Personally I haven't been to Lincoln but I've heard negative after negative about it.

Oh, and FOOTBALL IN THE GROIN!