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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Election talk
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
20/5/20

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http://botheyesopen.org.nz/
These people have been busy around town... posing some questions on various National policy attitudes. 
 
I'd love to know what National really plan for Kiwisaver and for Kiwibank. 
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
20/5/20

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To sell them both. I think Bill English made that fairly clear, and no amount of backpeddling by anyone will cover up their plans on that one. Probably not in the first couple of years, or maybe not in their first term (if they are still way ahead in the polls after a couple of years governing).
won't stop me giving them my vote, both party and candidate.
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.

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I hear people syaing stuff like "...they sell Kiwibank and I'll take my business elsewhere" or "Ok it'll end up in the hand of another australian bank but even so they sell it (Kiwibank) and I'm no longer a customer..."
 
Wonder when push comes to shove how many customers would walk?
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
20/5/20

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probably quite few. I work on the phones for kiwibank at the moment, and when the news reporters were highlighting this on the 6pm news, people were mentioning it, and as you say, saying they will consider their banking options. But as different focuses take the place of the kiwibank debacle, most people have lost focus on it. There will be a few, but most of the time you'll find they have been loose threats. Obviously aimed at the wrong person! haha.

I just reply "well, it depends on who you vote for doesn't it"?

It makes you think.

  
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A wee bit on the history of Super in Oz

Introduction

Prior to the introduction of the "Superannuation Guarantee" in 1992 by the Keating Labor government, reasonably widespread superannuation arrangements had been in place for many years under industrial awards negotiated by the union movement between 1986 and 1988 with support from the federal government as part of a "wage-tax trade off", allowing a non-inflationary means of wage increases.

The compulsory "Superannuation Guarantee" system was introduced as part of a major reform package addressing Australia's retirement income policies. It was anticipated that Australia, along with many other Western nations, would experience a major demographic shift in the coming decades, resulting in the anticipated increase in age pension payments placing an unaffordable strain on the Australian economy. The proposed solution was a "three pillars" approach to retirement income:

  • A safety net consisting of a means-tested Government age pension system
  • Private savings generated through compulsory contributions to superannuation
  • Voluntary savings through superannuation and other investments

Since its introduction, employers have been required to make compulsory contributions to superannuation on behalf of most of their employees. This contribution was originally set at 3% of the employees' income, and has been incrementally increased by the Australian government. Since 1 July 2002, the minimum contribution has been set at 9% of an employee's ordinary time earnings. The 9% is thus not payable on overtime rates but is payable on remuneration items such as bonuses, commissions, shift loading and casual loadings.

Though there is general widespread support for compulsory superannuation today, it was met with strong resistance by small business groups at the time of its introduction who were fearful of the burden associated with its implementation and its ongoing costs. [1]

The Howard government has been criticised for its reluctance to increase the compulsory rate of superannuation. Had the compulsory rate been 15% since 1996, rather than the current 9%, total superannuation assets in Australia would be approaching $2 trillion - almost double the current level. [2]

After over a decade of compulsory contributions, Australian workers have over $1.177 trillion[3] in superannuation assets. Australians now have more money invested in managed funds per capita than any other economy[4].

Compulsory superannuation in combination with buoyant economic growth has turned Australia into a 'shareholder society', where most workers are now indirect investors in the stock market. Consequently, a lively personal investment marketplace has developed, and many Australians take an interest in investment topics.



I think that it's a great idea, given the shift in demographic - plus the historical trend of kiwi's not being great savers in the long term.

I think that if a Howard Liberal government didn't roll it back - then even conservatives think it's a good idea. In reality it's up to the employee and employer to ensure the retirement security of the individual, and not the state, with people dependent on pensions.


I've been employed in Oz for 8 years, and now have an reasonable amount of money sitting in a super account, which realistically I wouldn't have saved off my own bat - and because it's over and above your base salary, you don't miss it!


When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!

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dairyflat wrote:
http://botheyesopen.org.nz/
These people have been busy around town... posing some questions on various National policy attitudes. 
 
I'd love to know what National really plan for Kiwisaver and for Kiwibank. 


I love the title of this group since they are very clearly one eyed!

Hilarious.


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It's 'both eyes open to the evil right wing bastards who want to ruin our lives!' from the looks of things.

To quote the more respectable Winston: 'If you aren't a socialist by 20 you have no heart, if you aren't a capitalist by 40 you have no brain.' Centrism ftw!

Personally, I have no problem with super or with an NZ-owned bank but I won't bank with kiwi bank because of their ludicrous, and frankly downright nasty adverts.
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