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Posted July 28, 2013 23:30 · last edited July 28, 2013 23:31

Bevan wrote:


We should at least wait until Australia is attacked before we worry about ourselves being a target.

There have been at least two credible terror plots in Australia since 9/11 on top of the three successful attacks in Indonesia. Waiting till the Australian mainland is successfully attacked is probably only a matter of time. You rightly state we haven't had anything here, but what Australia gets we usually get in some form or another. Does this warrant the collection of metadata/emails/communications? 

I guess the question we need to ask is how much risk is the public prepared to wear in order to guarantee their 'privacy' and 'freedom'?

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TeamAndy edited July 28, 2013 23:31
Smithy wrote:


All I want is to know what the rules are, and to know that someone is making sure these powerful agencies play by them.[/quote]


This is exactly what I think needs to happen. While I am coming from a different angle to Bevan and others etc, I think in the end what we all want is confidence that out government and associated agencies are treating citizens with respect and privacy. The tricky bit is doing this in a way that does no hamstring the agencies from doing the job they are intended to do. Independent oversight is absolutely integral to doing so. Working in a similar I realise this is a lot harder said than done.


I think it is awesome that we can discuss such an important issue in a open forum and many people have also actioned their displeasure with the bill. There are plenty of places around the world where that isn't possible.


[quote=Bevan]


We should at least wait until Australia is attacked before we worry about ourselves being a target.

There have been at least two credible terror plots in Australia since 9/11 on top of the three successful attacks in Indonesia. Waiting till the Australian mainland is successfully attacked is probably only a matter of time. You rightly state we haven't had anything here, but what Australia gets we usually get in some form or another. Does this warrant the collection of metadata/emails/communications? 

I guess the question we need to ask is how much risk is the public prepared to wear in order to guarantee their 'privacy' and 'freedom'?

TeamAndy edited July 28, 2013 23:31
Smithy wrote:


All I want is to know what the rules are, and to know that someone is making sure these powerful agencies play by them.

[/quote]

This is exactly what I think needs to happen. While I am coming from a different angle to Bevan and others etc, I think in the end what we all want is confidence that out government and associated agencies are treating citizens with respect and privacy. The tricky bit is doing this in a way that does no hamstring the agencies from doing the job they are intended to do. Independent oversight is absolutely integral to doing so. Working in a similar I realise this is a lot harder said than done.

I think it is awesome that we can discuss such an important issue in a open forum and many people have also actioned their displeasure with the bill. There are plenty of places around the world where that isn't possible.

[quote=Bevan]


We should at least wait until Australia is attacked before we worry about ourselves being a target.

There have been at least two credible terror plots in Australia since 9/11 on top of the three successful attacks in Indonesia. Waiting till the Australian mainland is successfully attacked is probably only a matter of time. You rightly state we haven't had anything here, but what Australia gets we usually get in some form or another. Does this warrant the collection of metadata/emails/communications? 
I guess the question we need to ask is how much risk is the public prepared to wear in order to guarantee their 'privacy' and 'freedom'?