Anyone else going to the protest against the GCSB bill tomorrow (Sat 27th)?
The National government want to be able to spy on us just like the NSA spy on the Americans.
Leaves the bucket fountain in Cuba mall at 2pm.
There are protests all round the country too.
More info here:
https://www.facebook.com/NotoGCSBBill?ref=stream&hc_location=stream
only worth worrying about if you're doing something you shouldn't
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Whats Clive Palmer up to now?
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only worth worrying about if you're doing something you shouldn't
only worth worrying about if you're doing something you shouldn't
Tend to agree with this. We have to trust that our government isn't dictatorial/corrupt - and I do, regardless of who is in power.
only worth worrying about if you're doing something you shouldn't
Tend to agree with this. We have to trust that our government isn't dictatorial/corrupt - and I do, regardless of who is in power.
Absolutely right anyway anything John Minto has a part in aint worth worrying about.
only worth worrying about if you're doing something you shouldn't
Tend to agree with this. We have to trust that our government isn't dictatorial/corrupt - and I do, regardless of who is in power.
Absolutely right anyway anything John Minto has a part in aint worth worrying about.
Oh right on the money there!
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
only worth worrying about if you're doing something you shouldn't
Or what someone else decides you shouldn't.
Or what someone else decides you did that you didn't.
And why not just post your credit card details on here if you don't care who has them.
So many shades of grey in this discussion.
Oh, and regardless of whether you think Edward Snowden was right or wrong to do what he did, the one thing he proved beyond doubt is that even the people who have access to all this data are human and they will make their own decisions about how they use it, for better or for worse.
I would say better to be proactive than reactive with these kind of things.
only worth worrying about if you're doing something you shouldn't
Snowden is an attention seeking twat - I hope he has to spend the next 10 years living in a Moscow transit lounge.
Let the government spy all they like. We haven't been blown up by any terrorist groups so what they are doing is obviously working
All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight
If everything is working well right now, why is there a need to change it? New Zealand clearly isn't a hot spot for terrorism. GCSB is just a huge waste of money.
And what if you don't like someone looking at what you're doing? Just because you don't like being spyed on, doesn't mean there's something to hide. The same argument can be used about the government, as the saying apparently goes: "Evil is only done under the cover of darkness", transparency should go both ways.
It's the kind of archaic and draconian law which will simply not work. The people they are "really" after will be aware of this and will know how to hide from it.
Waste of money.
We will never fully decide who has won the football.
Snowden is an attention seeking twat - I hope he has to spend the next 10 years living in a Moscow transit lounge.
Let the government spy all they like. We haven't been blown up by any terrorist groups so what they are doing is obviously working
Edward Snowden is a modern hero.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
only worth worrying about if you're doing something you shouldn't
Kinda thought the same until I watched Operation 8. After 6 months of surveillance, they pull out 8-10 statement that look dodgy and charge them with terrorism charges. That is fucked.
What's to say something similar happens again. Someone emails or text their mate saying "man I wish some put a bullet in XX". No doubt you'll be put on a black list.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8972743/US-spy-agencies-eavesdrop-on-Kiwi
New Zealand SAS troops in Kabul had access to the reports and were using them in active investigations into Stephenson.
The sources believed the phone monitoring was being done to try to identify Stephenson's journalistic contacts and sources
I realise this happened in Afghanistan and isn't strictly relevant to the GCSB Act, but this is exactly the sort of thing that could happen when this sort of monitoring is allowed.
Edward Snowden is a modern hero.
All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight
Edward Snowden is a modern hero.
Edward Snowden is as much a modern hero as Paris Hilton, Kim Kardashian or any person who has ever been on Big Brother
I always just assumed it was happening anyway. Never really bothered me.
Snowden worked in that environment for a number of years, doing what he was doing every day. Did he grow a conscience all of a sudden or did he just think that he would get fame and notoriety, and live out his days on a beach in Equador. Whether anyone thinks that spying is right or not, Snowden is a chancer who did what he did because he applications to Wife Swap and Come Dine with me was rejected.
All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight
I love your turn of phrase Frankie even if what you say is wildly retarded in this instance.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
Edward Snowden is a modern hero.
Edward Snowden is as much a modern hero as Paris Hilton, Kim Kardashian or any person who has ever been on Big Brother
Wow, you honestly think that?
Hilton, Kardashian created trashy TV shows that gave no benefits to society. Snowden revealed that the US government was secretly collecting all sorts of information about the citizens it is supposed to serve. One of those things is far more important to our society than the other.
Frankie, correct me if I am wrong. But Paddy I think that was Frankie's point. Snowden is on level with Hilton and Kardashian i.e. not very hero like. If he really wanted to be a true whistlblower, why the hell did he do a runner from the US?
I'm concerned people seem to have thought that governments don't collect information on them. If big business is going to do it then so are governments. The ugly truth is governments can't even dream of, or the people even start to demand, efficient and cost effective governance without the collection and sharing of personal information.
As long as there is independent oversight with teeth (easier said than done) then intelligence agencies can work well and within the law. Not sure I would want to experiment with not having intelligence/security agencies.
Also, unfortunately the same protest rent a crowd are involved again. If hadn't seen Minto take up just about every supposed greivance since the beginning of time I might give a bit more of a toss, and having the oh so squeaky clean (not) Dotcom involved doesn't help.
Edward Snowden is a modern hero.
Edward Snowden is as much a modern hero as Paris Hilton, Kim Kardashian or any person who has ever been on Big Brother
Wow, you honestly think that?
Hilton, Kardashian created trashy TV shows that gave no benefits to society. Snowden revealed that the US government was secretly collecting all sorts of information about the citizens it is supposed to serve. One of those things is far more important to our society than the other.
Frankie, correct me if I am wrong. But Paddy I think that was Frankie's point. Snowden is on level with Hilton and Kardashian i.e. not very hero like. If he really wanted to be a true whistlblower, why the hell did he do a runner from the US?
I'm concerned people seem to have thought that governments don't collect information on them. If big business is going to do it then so are governments. The ugly truth is governments can't even dream of, or the people even start to demand, efficient and cost effective governance without the collection and sharing of personal information.
As long as there is independent oversight with teeth (easier said than done) then intelligence agencies can work well and within the law. Not sure I would want to experiment with not having intelligence/security agencies.
Also, unfortunately the same protest rent a crowd are involved again. If hadn't seen Minto take up just about every supposed greivance since the beginning of time I might give a bit more of a toss, and having the oh so squeaky clean (not) Dotcom involved doesn't help.
yeah sure, why not.
All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight
All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight
That's not how it works and you know it. Totally different kettle of fish.
All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight
That's not how it works and you know it. Totally different kettle of fish.
Shut up nufc_nz
Edward Snowden is a modern hero.
Edward Snowden is as much a modern hero as Paris Hilton, Kim Kardashian or any person who has ever been on Big Brother
Wow, you honestly think that?
Hilton, Kardashian created trashy TV shows that gave no benefits to society. Snowden revealed that the US government was secretly collecting all sorts of information about the citizens it is supposed to serve. One of those things is far more important to our society than the other.
Frankie, correct me if I am wrong. But Paddy I think that was Frankie's point. Snowden is on level with Hilton and Kardashian i.e. not very hero like. If he really wanted to be a true whistlblower, why the hell did he do a runner from the US?
I'm concerned people seem to have thought that governments don't collect information on them. If big business is going to do it then so are governments. The ugly truth is governments can't even dream of, or the people even start to demand, efficient and cost effective governance without the collection and sharing of personal information.
As long as there is independent oversight with teeth (easier said than done) then intelligence agencies can work well and within the law. Not sure I would want to experiment with not having intelligence/security agencies.
Also, unfortunately the same protest rent a crowd are involved again. If hadn't seen Minto take up just about every supposed greivance since the beginning of time I might give a bit more of a toss, and having the oh so squeaky clean (not) Dotcom involved doesn't help.
Pretty much my thoughts. Meh. People are acting like John key is personally peeking through their bathroom window as they shower or something.
Edward Snowden is a modern hero.
Edward Snowden is as much a modern hero as Paris Hilton, Kim Kardashian or any person who has ever been on Big Brother
Wow, you honestly think that?
Hilton, Kardashian created trashy TV shows that gave no benefits to society. Snowden revealed that the US government was secretly collecting all sorts of information about the citizens it is supposed to serve. One of those things is far more important to our society than the other.
Frankie, correct me if I am wrong. But Paddy I think that was Frankie's point. Snowden is on level with Hilton and Kardashian i.e. not very hero like. If he really wanted to be a true whistlblower, why the hell did he do a runner from the US?
I'm concerned people seem to have thought that governments don't collect information on them. If big business is going to do it then so are governments. The ugly truth is governments can't even dream of, or the people even start to demand, efficient and cost effective governance without the collection and sharing of personal information.
As long as there is independent oversight with teeth (easier said than done) then intelligence agencies can work well and within the law. Not sure I would want to experiment with not having intelligence/security agencies.
Also, unfortunately the same protest rent a crowd are involved again. If hadn't seen Minto take up just about every supposed greivance since the beginning of time I might give a bit more of a toss, and having the oh so squeaky clean (not) Dotcom involved doesn't help.
