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Posted July 28, 2013 07:12 · last edited July 28, 2013 07:13

TeamAndy wrote:
patrick478 wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:
Smithy wrote:

Edward Snowden is a modern hero.

Edward Snowden is as much a modern hero as Paris Hilton, Kim Kardashian or any person who has ever been on Big Brother

Wow, you honestly think that? 

Hilton, Kardashian created trashy TV shows that gave no benefits to society. Snowden revealed that the US government was secretly collecting all sorts of information about the citizens it is supposed to serve. One of those things is far more important to our society than the other.


Frankie, correct me if I am wrong. But Paddy I think that was Frankie's point. Snowden is on level with Hilton and Kardashian i.e. not very hero like. If he really wanted to be a true whistlblower, why the hell did he do a runner from the US?


I'm concerned people seem to have thought that governments don't collect information on them. If big business is going to do it then so are governments. The ugly truth is governments can't even dream of, or the people even start to demand, efficient and cost effective governance without the collection and sharing of personal information.


As long as there is independent oversight with teeth (easier said than done) then intelligence agencies can work well and within the law. Not sure I would want to experiment with not having intelligence/security agencies. 


Also, unfortunately the same protest rent a crowd are involved again. If hadn't seen Minto take up just about every supposed greivance since the beginning of time I might give a bit more of a toss, and having the oh so squeaky clean (not) Dotcom involved doesn't help.

Pretty much my thoughts. Meh. People are acting like John key is personally peeking through their bathroom window as they shower or something. 

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Tegal edited July 28, 2013 07:13
TeamAndy wrote:
patrick478 wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:
Smithy wrote:

Edward Snowden is a modern hero.

Edward Snowden is as much a modern hero as Paris Hilton, Kim Kardashian or any person who has ever been on Big Brother

Wow, you honestly think that? 

Hilton, Kardashian created trashy TV shows that gave no benefits to society. Snowden revealed that the US government was secretly collecting all sorts of information about the citizens it is supposed to serve. One of those things is far more important to our society than the other.


Frankie, correct me if I am wrong. But Paddy I think that was Frankie's point. Snowden is on level with Hilton and Kardashian i.e. not very hero like. If he really wanted to be a true whistlblower, why the hell did he do a runner from the US?


I'm concerned people seem to have thought that governments don't collect information on them. If big business is going to do it then so are governments. The ugly truth is governments can't even dream of, or the people even start to demand, efficient and cost effective governance without the collection and sharing of personal information.


As long as there is independent oversight with teeth (easier said than done) then intelligence agencies can work well and within the law. Not sure I would want to experiment with not having intelligence/security agencies. 


Also, unfortunately the same protest rent a crowd are involved again. If hadn't seen Minto take up just about every supposed greivance since the beginning of time I might give a bit more of a toss, and having the oh so squeaky clean (not) Dotcom involved doesn't help.

Pretty much my thoughts. Meh.