Lets change the New Zealand flag
Lets change the New Zealand flag
feel free to respond
i will be most annoyed if its that sh*tty black flag with a fern on
it. what the fudge does that say about our country and the people
within? nothing its just a branding exercise it seems to
me.
look at the links below to see some of the variations that people have come up with. i like the dick frizzel one - silver fern night sky. check it out see what you think.
http://www.nzflag.com/designs_frizzell.cfm
http://www.nzflag.com
Christo2007-07-21 12:48:43
look at the links below to see some of the variations that people have come up with. i like the dick frizzel one - silver fern night sky. check it out see what you think.
http://www.nzflag.com/designs_frizzell.cfm
http://www.nzflag.com
Christo2007-07-21 12:48:43
I like that one too, Christo.
I don't think we'll change the flag until we become a republic though - which won't happen for a while yet..
I don't think we'll change the flag until we become a republic though - which won't happen for a while yet..
I personally have no problem with our flag the way it is. And the
argument "let's change it, it's too similar to the Aussie one" is
one of my pet hates. Has anyone ever heard an Irish person wanting
to change their flag because it's too similar to the Italian one?
There are dozens of countries in the world who have similar flags,
and none of them are looking to change them because of those
similarities. If we ever decide to change our flag, we'd better
have a good reason for it.
Its a big problem, i continously am told my flag is the australian
flag!!! And being that our countries are neighbours it is important
to have distinct flags, the rest of the world does not make any
distinction between the two....
Can someone please explain to me what the old war veterans mean when they say "I fought for that flag"? I thought they fought for something more meaningful, like world peace etc.
P.S. Change the flag. I quite like this one...
That is cool that flag, who knows man, my grandfather is a huge pro
flag guy, hence why i worte that one in the poll...he has appeared
in napier papers complaining about the the flag change movement
etc...I think when the war veterans have all passed away the
climate will slowly change toward change, wake up NZ look at the
flag, when i look at it im not proud of it never have been! Im
proud of kiwi symbols but the flag is not a nz symbol its a symbol
given to us by our former bosses, why should we keep it, to keep
the queen happy, im sure she wouldnt care if we gave the flag an
upgrade....
I dont think that we really need to change the flag unless we
become a republic. I like the current New Zealand national flag and
dont really see a need to change it. And if people think that the
brazilian flag looks like the f**king Australian flag, they're
w**kers of the highest order and just shows how egotistical some
people can be.
im not talking about the brazilian flag...although why do australia
use green and gold, ive been asked that a few times here in Rio,
being Brazils colours they find it strange that they use colours
that have nothing to do with their flag...who knows..re dwhite and
blue are too common..
get a flag with Ricki's face on it.
Next you will be wanting to change the national anthem, from God
Save The Queen, to a song people can't sing.
QUOTE: the flag is not a nz symbol its a symbol given to us by our former bosses, why should we keep it, to keep the queen happy QUOTE
I sense the beginning of a nationalistic uprising.
(That doesn't work actually, considering we are no longer controlled by Britain).loyalgunner2007-07-26 16:56:36
it is strange how the aussies have adopted canary yellow and green,
but why did we go with black and white?
was the country so poor back in the day that was all we could afford ink wise?
was the country so poor back in the day that was all we could afford ink wise?
leave the flag, you interferring, no-good-niks
I quite like Jason Paul Troup's design on NZFlag.com. Personally
I'd swap the yellow stars for the current ones to put a link to the
old flag in it.
If NZ is made a republic as well, I'd be rather happy...
If NZ is made a republic as well, I'd be rather happy...
We should change the flag but we need to ahve some british stuff on
there still.
Personally i don't give a monkeys chuff!!!
Yeah, let's change the flag!
Then we can all put on walk shorts, socks and sandals, wear
cardigans, drink herbal tea with soy milk, hug trees, become
vegtarians and eat lentil casseroles.
If that happens it's only a small jump to people thinking the
greens are a sensible, legitimate political party.
Sue Bradford for PM!
If you can't tell the Aussy flag from ours you're an ignorant
peasant or blind.
Malky, people constantly confuse our flag, from a distance on a
flag pole they are the same A flag is supposed to be a national
symbol and i think it important that it be distinct especially when
our neighbour has one very similar. And of course eating lentils
has lots to do with wanting a new flag, saving whales or stopping
seal hunting, of course the obvious step is to demand a new flag,
your arguement is pretty shallow bro.
If there is going to be a change then lets hope it's to
something that represents all of us, not just the 12% that think
they are the forgotton tribe. We are all New Zealanders. Not
Pakehas, Maori, NZ Europeans.
And that goes for the National Anthem too.
Right, back to work again!!
Malky, people constantly confuse our flag, from a distance on a
flag pole they are the same A flag is supposed to be a national
symbol and i think it important that it be distinct especially when
our neighbour has one very similar. And of course eating lentils
has lots to do with wanting a new flag, saving whales or stopping
seal hunting, of course the obvious step is to demand a new flag,
your arguement is pretty shallow bro.
From a distance on a flag pole it looks the same as the Cook Islands, Falklands, Pitcairn or St Helena flags but I've never heard anyone use them as a reason for changing our flag.
In fact it is always 'our flag looks like the Aussy one' I have never heard anyone say the aussy one looks like ours. The fact is we had our current flag before the Aussies had theirs so they copied us.
So, talk of changing our flag to me says more about us as NZers and our insecurities towards Australia than it does about the quality of our flag. If our flag can be mistaken for theirs then perhaps we can be mistaken for Aussies and that really bothers us.
Besides there are no guarantees that any new flag will be a good one. Canada were lucky but then South Africa ended up with the United Colours of Beneton. So, if the people currently calling for a new flag didn't like what we end up with, is that the end of it or will they keep calling for another new flag?
Anyway, Australia will become a republic before we do and they'll change their flag. Problem solved.
Besides, I don't understand why everyone is so anxious to become a republic. It's an antiquated mode of government. Rome was a republic and look how it turned out for them.
Malky, people constantly confuse our flag, from a distance on a
flag pole they are the same A flag is supposed to be a national
symbol and i think it important that it be distinct especially when
our neighbour has one very similar. And of course eating lentils
has lots to do with wanting a new flag, saving whales or stopping
seal hunting, of course the obvious step is to demand a new flag,
your arguement is pretty shallow bro.
From a distance on a flag pole it looks the same as the Cook
Islands, Falklands, Pitcairn or St Helena flags but I've never
heard anyone use them as a reason for changing our flag.In fact it
is always 'our flag looks like the Aussy one' I have never heard
anyone say the aussy one looks like ours. The fact is we had our
current flag before the Aussies had theirs so they copied us. So,
talk of changing our flag to me says more about us as NZers and our
insecurities towards Australia than it does about the quality of
our flag. If our flag can be mistaken for theirs then perhaps we
can be mistaken for Aussies and that really bothers us.Besides
there are no guarantees that any new flag will be a good one.
Canada were lucky but then South Africa ended up with the United
Colours of Beneton. So, if the people currently calling for a new
flag didn't like what we end up with, is that the end of it or will
they keep calling for another new flag?Anyway, Australia will
become a republic before we do and they'll change their flag.
Problem solved.Besides, I don't understand why everyone is so
anxious to become a republic. It's an antiquated mode of
government. Rome was a republic and look how it turned out for
them.Completely agree with Malky. I just can't see any validity in the argument that people confuse our flag with the Aussie one. In addition to everything Malky says, why shold we bother to change our flag because some half-blind idiot can't see the differences? Like I said in an earlier post, there are dozens of countries in the world that are in a similar position to us, yet no-one is considering changing their flag for this spurious reason.
would you consider changing the flag for reasons other than it
looks too much like australias?
would you change the flag so it would reflect the new zealand people/life/country as it is today?
a sort of modernisation if you will.
would you change the flag so it would reflect the new zealand people/life/country as it is today?
a sort of modernisation if you will.
would you consider changing the flag for reasons other than it
looks too much like australias?would you change the flag so it
would reflect the new zealand people/life/country as it is today?a
sort of modernisation if you will.
Yes, provided that there's clear national consensus for the change. The most likely scenario for such a situation to arise wold be if we decided to change our constitutional arrangements and become a republic, but I don't see this happening any time soon.
I think Aus gets the green and gold colours from the Wattle tree
which is on their coat of arms
No idea why NZ went for black
No idea why NZ went for black
aussie this and aussie that, you guys are obsessed with us!
nuh we just dont want to be associated with you lot
The problem with the flag-changing campaign that pops up every
couple of years is that not enough people feel strongly enough
about it as an issue.
BringBackClough2007-08-19 15:21:04
A fair number of people don't like the present flag - mainly
because it gets confused with the Australian flag. Like some
of the earlier postings I don't think that's a good enough reason -
heaps of flags look like their neighbours' ones. We should
stop feeling so insecure.
But I think the biggest problem is that no-one can generate
sufficient popularity in what alternative flag to have.
The issue so far generally seems to have run as follows:
1.ASSUME that existing flag a goner.
2.Compare a whole lot of other flags (with no comparison with
existing flag).
I think, in fairness, a new alternative needs to be chosen by
popular consensus (and not forced on us by bloody Govt social
engineering or a bunch of business people who think they can speak
for the rest of us). Then that needs to be contrasted with
the original.
So, I say stick with it. But if not, definitely
something with the four stars.
One idea if we have to go down this track again: For
something which has the stars but also has important historical
links look at the attached. Its the flag used by certain
northern Maori in the 1830's. If we changed the stars so they
looked like the ones on the present flag? Or even if we just
used the section from the top left
You have got to be joking. The flag has got to go and the only
option is to use the Tino Rangatiratanga flag as seen at Waitangi
day. I'm a pomme but this country is on the other side of the
planet and has FA to do with UK or it's politics. We know where we
are and don't need the stars to tell us. I saw the PM on TV
yesterday with two NZ flags behind her and all I could make out
were two Union Jacks that didn't hang down past her shoulders.
Compare that to Bush who has massive flags in the background when
he appears! We may not be big but our views are cutting edge and
relevant. No Nukes, women voting and keeping scrums in rugby. We
need a flag that reflects OUR country, not world standards. One
that will unify the country, like the Tino Rangatiratanga flag
could. We are a separate nation, lets act like one. Stop acting
like we think we should and start acting like we want.
"and the only option is to use the Tino Rangatiratanga flag"
in my mind this is not an option, as i find it a stretch of how it reflects our country, it reflects only part of it and has too many ideas behind it to be seen as a flag that could unite the country and tell the world who we are.
in my mind this is not an option, as i find it a stretch of how it reflects our country, it reflects only part of it and has too many ideas behind it to be seen as a flag that could unite the country and tell the world who we are.
You have got to be joking. The flag has got to go and the only
option is to use the Tino Rangatiratanga flag as seen at Waitangi
day. I'm a pomme but this country is on the other side of the
planet and has FA to do with UK or it's politics. We know where we
are and don't need the stars to tell us. I saw the PM on TV
yesterday with two NZ flags behind her and all I could make out
were two Union Jacks that didn't hang down past her shoulders.
Compare that to Bush who has massive flags in the background when
he appears! We may not be big but our views are cutting edge and
relevant. No Nukes, women voting and keeping scrums in rugby. We
need a flag that reflects OUR country, not world standards. One
that will unify the country, like the Tino Rangatiratanga flag
could. We are a separate nation, lets act like one. Stop acting
like we think we should and start acting like we want.
Why should the Tino Rangatiratanga be the only option? Namely, why should a flag that represents only part of the population and that is sometimes associated with seperatism reflect our country? Other flags can reflect the country as a whole. While I wouldn't accept a flag without Maori influence, I wouldn't accept a flag that disowns the rest of the country as well. There can easily be a compromise, and they don't all have to have a southern cross :P
That being said, I agree with a lot of your post. The Union Jack has to go, and NZ needs to display that we are a seperate nation.
robbwatson2007-08-21 12:42:30
I Fink My avatar would made a good national flag.
no way would i endorse the use of the tino rangatiratanga flag, it
has all sorts of negative connotations attached to it.
e.g Tama Iti, Prevalent use by the Mongrel Mob.
Case closed for me.
e.g Tama Iti, Prevalent use by the Mongrel Mob.
Case closed for me.
OK, nice to have options and I was the devil's advocate there. The
tino rangatiratanga flag is sweet in my book because I see a future
where the country is united and everybody moving forward with
progress. To look back at the history of the flag and to show that
unity from an early stage would be admirable. Take my word for it
that when Apartheid is truly a thing of the past that the South
African rainbow flag will change. That's what I thought the first
time I saw it anyway. That might work for them but for me the
history behind that sort of thing adds to the appeal. Having read
the other posts I'm changing my stand and backing Skaman for next
leader of the opposition. Good flag.
its still all about maori sovereignty to me and i dont think we can
ever attach the connotations of a united New Zealand to it.
i do agree with alot of what your saying but with the flag we need to start afresh
i do agree with alot of what your saying but with the flag we need to start afresh
I want my kids to look back and say "Yeah, they chose the good
one". Like the national anthem? The Maori version makes it.
change the flag? no way... what are we going to change it to huh..
a f*#king silver fern? get lost.. that means NOTHING but Oo we have
a silver undercoated leaf in our bush and forests.. weve died under
this flag, weve fought for freedom under this flag, weve fought
against racism and discrimination under this flag, we have been
born under this flag, we are a young country, very young in world
comparrisons so what is it really going to benefit. The grass isnt
always going to be greener on the other side. I think we need to
carry on tradition.
"Peace to the struggilin artists and dead ones gone we miss em', and i promise i carry on tradition"
And the anthem.. well i don't find it very passionate i must say, it is lacking a bit i feel. Everyone says the maori version is the better version.. is that because you guys can't translate it? how is it better.. Seriously.
"Peace to the struggilin artists and dead ones gone we miss em', and i promise i carry on tradition"
And the anthem.. well i don't find it very passionate i must say, it is lacking a bit i feel. Everyone says the maori version is the better version.. is that because you guys can't translate it? how is it better.. Seriously.