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NZ police armed?

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
That obvious huh? Yeah, I didnt want to say for the simple fact that I wanted to hear everyones honest answer rather than just hear what they think I wanted to hear. (Does that make sense).
 
Some good arguments on here though.
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
ACAB
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Tegal wrote:
foal30 wrote:
guns=bad

20 years jail for anyone caught with any gun
get rid of the lot of them
hunters or recreational types can take one for the team in there crusade 'to get tough on crime'
or other peoples crime at least.

as you were,
raving hippie
So only Crims have guns?
 
Good plan hippie...I see that going really well


better than the ongoing plan of more guns? why stick with a failed policy?
Lets get tough on crime. Gun crime.
20 years for anyone caught with any gun. It'll sort the men from the boys in no time.
No more of this namby pamby wet bus ticket justice, go hard NZ

Crims already have guns , so lets make even the possession of such totally a major grade risk. When owning a gun becomes such a ridiculous cost only the truly insane will risk.



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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Worst...idea...ever...

If the cops aren't armed and no 'good guys' are armed and there is no way for them to get arms should the need arise, how on earth do you expect them to enforce 20 year sentences for hardened crooks armed to the teeth?  Hope you can sneak up behind them, knock them out with a baseball bat and lock 'em up?
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loyalgunner wrote:
Worst...idea...ever...

If the cops aren't armed and no 'good guys' are armed and there is no way for them to get arms should the need arise, how on earth do you expect them to enforce 20 year sentences for hardened crooks armed to the teeth?  Hope you can sneak up behind them, knock them out with a baseball bat and lock 'em up?



why don't the hardened criminals do this now? your implying they are going to act in a way that totally disengages themselves from normal society.

I'm suggesting that by making the concept of actually owning a gun that too, violence specifically related to guns will dramatically decrease.

How successful is our current policy. Is anyone actually suggesting Cops with Guns or More Guns actually makes a safer or more stable society?

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hardened criminals probably don't often do this now (I'm sure it has happened in the past though got nothing off the top of my head) due to the fact that the powers that be, while not having guns on their person at all times, do have access to guns.  That was my point.  If we took all guns away then only the criminals would have them and they could be in control.

It's not so much disengaging from normal society if you have it in your power to run society.
loyalgunner2010-10-14 20:55:11
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so it's access to guns or weapons that enables people to run society.
interesting point loyal gunner


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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
More guns on police puts police in more risk. Currently police will park up and call in the 'pros' to deal with it. I don't want young cops with guns charging in above their weight and getting shot.
 
In some societies I could see an argument for lots of guns on police, but I really can't in ours.
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kiwi pie wrote:
ACAB


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foal30 wrote:
so it's access to guns or weapons that enables people to run society.
interesting point loyal gunner




Not necessarily but if there were zero firearms in the possession of good guys then a major, major deterrant has been removed along with the guns.

I did appreciate the pun.  No matter how weak I usually get at least a smile out of them.  They help at times like now when I'm doing 1 500 words of an essay due tomorrow.
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Open uuuup. It's the piiiiigs.
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It's a laugh isn't it?

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He won't mind if you do it in Millwall

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'd be interested to know how many accidental shootings or innocent people were shot by the Police in Australia ever since they introduced armed police.
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Hammer Head wrote:
Stefan wrote:
Then again. If Police were armed. Offender may see the need to arm himself..

I've heard this argument before and it simply doesn't wash with me. Do you�not think that offenders are armed already? I assure you they�are. Just look at any drug raid or gang raid and� the cache of weapons that are inevitably always found. To say�that if police�become armed means that suddenly the offenders will too is incorrect - they are already armed. Interestingly the reason they are armed is not to protect themselves from police, its to protect themselves from each other (i.e. drug taxings etc). There is�a huge amount of�money at stake in the drug trade and the gangs�will do whatever�it takes to ensure noone else moves into their patch.

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It seems to me that here in NZ cops are getting shot at on a fairly regular basis (8 shootings in the last 5 years wth two dead), whereas if you look at NSW for example -�where every officer carries a gun, they hardly ever have to use them. I assume this is because offenders know that if they are�stupid enough�to threaten an officer with a deadly weapon they are likely to be shot, so they choose not to.

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I�think the lock box�idea is a good one.�I'm not comfortable with the idea of cops patrolling our malls�etc carrying a firearm,�but it seems�that for any firearms situation the biggest enemy�to�the victim/s�is�the delay it currently takes for police to become armed (e.g. the�Navtej Singh homicide), so a handgun in every patrol car makes perfect sense to me.

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From the countless conversations we had. The officers who I worked with were more nervous about the general criminal carrying firearms rather than knives or things like that. And by general I mean.. Robberies, burglers and the likes. Not so much gangs, as yes, they are already mostly armed to the teeth. But they saw the risk that those gangs starting to take the weapons with them.Stefan2010-10-15 04:50:16
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Colvinator wrote:
More guns on police puts police in more risk. Currently police will park up and call in the 'pros' to deal with it. I don't want young cops with guns charging in above their weight and getting shot.
 
In some societies I could see an argument for lots of guns on police, but I really can't in ours.
 
The debate isn't about having more guns - in fact as I understand it the status quo would remain. The debate is about what sort of access to firearms police should have.
 
The young cop you are talking about is already trained in firearms and if the need arises can and will go 'charging in' to protect someones life. But the cop needs the firearm first, and as things currently are has to wait for a sergeants car to arrive with the weapon before being able to 'tool up'. (I've been on a cordon with about 8 cops standing around waiting what seemed an eternity for the sergeant to arrive, because he's had to come from the other side of the city).  
 
Yes police will wait for the wait pro's if they can but sometimes theres just no time to wait (it can take hours for AOS to assemble).
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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