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Sir Peter vs NZAE

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I don't see anyone trying to burn you at the stake. I just think it makes logical sense to try and keep the movies in NZ.
 
e.g.
"one in 10 visitors to the country admitting being influenced to come to New Zealand when The Lord of the Rings was being filmed and released"
"statistics showed tourism has replaced dairy farming as the country's top export earner."
"the Hobbit films could be worth an additional US$1b (NZ$1.34b) to the economy, according to Cameron Bagrie, economist at ANZ"
 
source
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hlmphil wrote:
I don't see anyone trying to burn you at the stake. I just think it makes logical sense to try and keep the movies in NZ.
 
e.g.
"one in 10 visitors to the country admitting being influenced to come to New Zealand when The Lord of the Rings was being filmed and released"
"statistics showed tourism has replaced dairy farming as the country's top export earner."
"the Hobbit films could be worth an additional US$1b (NZ$1.34b) to the economy, according to Cameron Bagrie, economist at ANZ"
 
source
 
The fact it's all about money was my original point.
I like tautologies because I like them.
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Cosimo wrote:
hlmphil wrote:
I don't see anyone trying to burn you at the stake. I just think it makes logical sense to try and keep the movies in NZ.
 
e.g.
"one in 10 visitors to the country admitting being influenced to come to New Zealand when The Lord of the Rings was being filmed and released"
"statistics showed tourism has replaced dairy farming as the country's top export earner."
"the Hobbit films could be worth an additional US$1b (NZ$1.34b) to the economy, according to Cameron Bagrie, economist at ANZ"
 
source
 
The fact it's all about money was my original point.
 
Fair enough. In that case I agree with you.
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bopman wrote:
To you guys that are having a go at the Government for what they did can I just ask what you would have done? Would you have let the movies go overseas without a fight? Ruin an industry?
 
Warners screwed us, though perhaps they wanted to get more out of us, but what choice did the Government have if they wanted to keep the films here?
 
Exactly. Fk Warners, but the Government did what it had to. Now, I'm not Mr key's biggest fan, but he's done the right thing here, imho.
 
Although the Unions have still ruined our reputation. But yeah, the tourism is massive from LOTR.
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Key is great at capitulating. Does he even have a backbone?
I like tautologies because I like them.
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Cosimo wrote:
Key is great at capitulating. Does he even have a backbone?
What did you want him to do?

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bopman wrote:
Cosimo wrote:
Key is great at capitulating. Does he even have a backbone?
What did you want him to do?
 
Say f**k off greasy Warner Brothers. That would be sweet.
I like tautologies because I like them.
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Everything's relative.
 
Putting money into these films is still way less objectionable to me than putting it into Team New Zealand and their f**king stupid yacht race.
 

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terminator_x wrote:
Everything's relative.
 
Putting money into these films is still way less objectionable to me than putting it into Team New Zealand and their f**king stupid yacht race.
 
 
But think of the tourist $$$ that's all that matters
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Jag wrote:
Well I'm�over the�moon�that some of my hard earned tax dollars are being used to make sure that the next lot of w**king material for hobbit geeks is going to be made in New Zealand. I slept a lot easier last night. Thanks Mr Key


Cool a hobbit porno movie.

"The OTHER lord of the rings"?

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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bopman wrote:
To you guys that are having a go at the Government for what they did can I just ask what you would have done? Would you have let the movies go overseas without a fight? Ruin an industry?
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Warners screwed us, though perhaps they wanted to get more out of us, but what choice did the Government have if they wanted to keep the films here?


I wouldn't change our labour laws so that employers in the film industry can treat workers in their industry like employees but call them 'contractors' to avoid having to provide any of the working conditions that our labour laws require like sick leave, notice of dismissal...'

If they are employed as contractors, and they are treated like contractors no problem, but when they are employees in all but name until it suits the bosses, that is bullsh*t.
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I spend 3 years studying and learning how 3rd world countries change their labour laws to attract multinationals in order to boost their economy. Then it happens here.
 
Im not saying im not happy that the movies are being filmed here, I think that its great. But the fact one company can have a whine and that leads us to change the rules makes me feel a bit uneasy.
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steelo wrote:
I spend 3 years studying and learning how 3rd world countries change their labour laws to attract multinationals in order to boost their economy. Then it happens here.
 
Im not saying im not happy that the movies are being filmed here, I think that its great. But the fact one company can have a whine and that leads us to change the rules makes me feel a bit uneasy.


Yeah that's pretty much it - I argued strongly cos I was bored and most people were for it, but I still have reservations.
I like tautologies because I like them.
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Herald wrote:

Sir Peter Jackson told the Government he did not believe an international actors' boycott would force The Hobbit overseas, emails show.

The message, sent to the office of Economic Development Minister Gerry Brownlee on October 18, is in stark contrast to comments the film-maker made earlier in the month.

On October 1, he said: "The Hobbit is being punished with a boycott which is endangering thousands of New Zealand jobs and hundreds of millions of dollars of foreign income, for no good reason."

Sir Peter dismissed the idea that movie production was moving overseas because it was cheaper to make films there.

"It's completely absurd! Eastern Europe is only being considered because a minority group of the New Zealand acting community have invoked union action that has blacklisted our film, making it impossible to shoot in New Zealand."

But on October 18, Sir Peter said the boycott had nothing to do with the movies potentially moving overseas.

"There is no connection between the blacklist (and it's eventual retraction) and the choice of production base for The Hobbit," he wrote.

"What Warners requires for The Hobbit is the certainty of a stable employment environment and the ability to conduct its business in such as way that it feels its $500 million investment is as secure as possible."

The October 18 email also suggests Sir Peter thought the boycott had been lifted, even though he said in television interviews three days later he was unsure if it had been officially ditched.

Sir Peter declined to comment through a spokesman yesterday.

Warner Bros eventually agreed to make the films in NZ after the Government said it would change employment laws to ensure that film workers were independent contractors by default.

The agreement also included extra tax breaks worth up to $34 million, on top of the $50 million to $60 million Warner Bros would pocket under existing rules.

Sir Peter's email is part of documents released under the Official Information Act yesterday which also reveal Warner Bros feared the local actors' union, Actors' Equity, would block them from using international stars on The Hobbit.

At the end of September, Arts, Culture and Heritage Minister Chris Finlayson met Sir Peter and other producers, who outlined the key issues.

A week before Warner Bros executives came to Wellington, they had been seeking assurances they could ignore Equity if it failed to provide letters clearing overseas actors to work here.

SIR PETER JACKSON, OCT 1

The Hobbit is being punished with a boycott which is endangering thousands of New Zealand jobs and hundreds of millions of dollars of foreign income, for no good reason.

SIR PETER JACKSON, OCT 18

There is no connection between the blacklist (and it's eventual retraction), and the choice of production base for The Hobbit. What Warners requires for The Hobbit is the certainty of a stable employment environment.

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No, this can't be true. This means the unions were possibly right all along, and unions are evil.
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
And sir Peter isn't the saint he is made out to be.
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
 OIAs
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