What does everyone think of this? This could be hugely damaging to our entire economy if it gets moved off shore.
In my opinion, I am quite annoyed that NZAE has got all upset over what seems like nothing and almost seems to be causing problems for the sake of causing them. Now it has blown up in their faces and could quite possibly screw our film industry in the future.
In my opinion, I am quite annoyed that NZAE has got all upset over what seems like nothing and almost seems to be causing problems for the sake of causing them. Now it has blown up in their faces and could quite possibly screw our film industry in the future.
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Simply ridiculous. NZ equity are letting themselves be lead astray by MEAA - the bloody Australians.
Why the hell use is a contract for the actors when they haven't got any movies to work on?
Simple case of an over-inflated sense of self importance by the "union"
I feel very sorry for the film technicians and post-prod workers who will suffer most.
Why the hell use is a contract for the actors when they haven't got any movies to work on?
Simple case of an over-inflated sense of self importance by the "union"
I feel very sorry for the film technicians and post-prod workers who will suffer most.
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can't help but think there's a LOT more to this than is in the public eye!!!
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a few c**ts ruining it for everyone else. really hope it doesn't get moved off shore
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can't help but think there's a LOT more to this than is in the public eye!!!
One year to the next election - Labour no where in polls - Phil Goff barely registering in preferred PM stakes.
Cue unions stirring up trouble.
Bugger the consequences - hundreds of lost jobs
Bugger the fact that in the real world small businesses are going to the wall.
To unions ideology always comes before people - even "the workers".
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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There was never a problem.
Unions decide that nothing will work unless they've got there finger up it.
Now they bite off the hand that feeds them.
Unions decide that nothing will work unless they've got there finger up it.
Now they bite off the hand that feeds them.
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Yeah! how dare actor demands minimum working conditions.
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Yeah! how dare actor demands minimum working conditions.
But they weren't 2B - well, not most of them anyway. Most were reasonably happy. However, any discussion over "working conditions", minimum or otherwise, is now unnecessary because they won't have any work.
Helen Kelley called Peter Jackson a "spoilt brat" on ZB this morning. When you resort to name-calling it's pretty obvious things have not gone to plan. She strikes me as a very abrasive woman.
Unions. Just brilliant organisations. I bet the members are rapt with the outcome here.
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Yeah! how dare actor demands minimum working conditions.
But they weren't 2B - well, not most of them anyway. Most were reasonably happy. However, any discussion over "working conditions", minimum or otherwise, is now unnecessary because they won't have any work.
Helen Kelley called Peter Jackson a "spoilt brat" on ZB this morning. When you resort to name-calling it's pretty obvious things have not gone to plan. She strikes me as a very abrasive woman.
Unions. Just brilliant organisations. I bet the members are rapt with the outcome here.
yea 
what a joke
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what members? I thought Actors Equity wasn't actually a union as it didnt meet the minimum numbers. less than a thousand I think they said was their membership. And now some are wanting to form a splinter organisation because they felt the AE wasn't speaking for them.
crap shoot.
crap shoot.
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Yeah! how dare actor demands minimum working conditions.
There's no point getting "minimum working conditions" when they have sabotaged four years worth of work. And they wanted employment contracts..not conditions. The thing is, New Zealand actors were going to get paid more on these projects than actors from other countries, and now look what they've done.
In the words of Sir Peter, Helen Kelly should definitely "just go home." I really hope John and Gerry come through on this one
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Yeah! how dare actor demands minimum working conditions.
But they weren't 2B - well, not most of them anyway. Most were reasonably happy. However, any discussion over "working conditions", minimum or otherwise, is now unnecessary because they won't have any work.
Helen Kelley called Peter Jackson a "spoilt brat" on ZB this morning. When you resort to name-calling it's pretty obvious things have not gone to plan. She strikes me as a very abrasive woman.
Unions. Just brilliant organisations. I bet the members are rapt with the outcome here.
And Robyn Malcolm getting verbal abuse while trying to eat dinner is any better?
If we as a country start accepting a 'it's these conditions or nothing' type arrangment then it become a race to the bottom.
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Why is it that Jennifer Ward Leland and Malcolm haven't fronted? They were quite prominent in the early part(and couldn't/wouldn't say what they wanted in terms of conditions), but now its CTU buisiness.
Not condoning the abuse Malcolm got, but it was seemingly dished out by one of those that stood to lose their job. It would take a lot of restraint to not say something I would have thought.
Junior822010-10-21 21:57:18
Not condoning the abuse Malcolm got, but it was seemingly dished out by one of those that stood to lose their job. It would take a lot of restraint to not say something I would have thought.
Junior822010-10-21 21:57:18
"Phoenix till they lose"
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And Robyn Malcolm getting verbal abuse while trying to eat dinner is any better?
This is a myth. Read the comments under the TV3 story from those who were there.
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She (Robyn Malcolm) was on Campbell Live this evening with Tandy someonerather. Sounds like its all hugs and lovely feelings now.
Christo2010-10-21 21:58:24
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Why is it that Jennifer Ward Leland and Malcolm haven't fronted? They were quite prominent in the early part(and couldn't/wouldn't say what they wanted in terms of conditions), but now its CTU buisiness.
Not condoning the abuse Malcolm got, but it was seemingly dished out by one of those that stood to lose their job. It would take a lot of restraint to not say something I would have thought.
Not condoning the abuse Malcolm got, but it was seemingly dished out by one of those that stood to lose their job. It would take a lot of restraint to not say something I would have thought.
She was one morning report this morning.
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And Robyn Malcolm getting verbal abuse while trying to eat dinner is any better?
This is a myth. Read the comments under the TV3 story from those who were there.
You really expect me to believe a anonymous poster over a news article.
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Dominion Post article?
"Phoenix till they lose"
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Yeah! how dare actor demands minimum working conditions.
What conditions? There was nothing wrong with them in the first place. This isn't actors going to unions and asking them to represent them, this is unions full of self-importance.
And you have no choice but to accept, "its this or nothing" because people far worse off than us kiwis will.Michael2010-10-21 22:11:07
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And Robyn Malcolm getting verbal abuse while trying to eat dinner is any better?
This is a myth. Read the comments under the TV3 story from those who were there.
You really expect me to believe a anonymous poster over a news article.
You believe what you like...it's not up to me to tell you that. But like I say, read these comments to give yourself a bit of balance.
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And can someone tell me how this has worked out well for the NZ actors/film crew etc?
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If we as a country start accepting a 'it's these conditions or nothing' type arrangement then it become a race to the bottom.
Nice bit of rhetoric - unfortunately NZ 's standard of living has been slipping down the OECD rankings for decades but that is a whole other thread..
Reality;
The vast majority of those who would benefit from the jobs created by Warner's investment have made their views very clear - they don't want the union involved.
The terms and conditions offered by The Hobbit are better than minimums.
Jackson, well before the Unions got involved, had established, voluntarily, a profit sharing arrangement.
It's Warner's $500m and they can spend it where ever they choose - they don't owe NZers a living.
The economic activity generated by a $500m investment creates, directly and indirectly, a lot of jobs and tax revenue that pays for schools, hospitals, funds student loans etc.
How does scaring away a $500m investment stop NZ racing to the bottom ?
There is a time and a place for unions - trying to fix something that was obviously not broken (The Hobbit) wasn't it.
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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What I garnered from the Campbell live interview with PJ was that basically the Aussie Union guy came out and said he was going to use the Hobbit as a platform to unionise the New Zealand acting industry (or something to that effect.) will look for some sauce
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What are they claiming these terrible conditions are anyway?
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today's headline - "Film workers march to save Hobbit"
tomorrow's - "Gandalf initiates demarcation dispute claim"
tomorrow's - "Gandalf initiates demarcation dispute claim"
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In tomorrow's Demi-onion Post look out for the .....Hobbituary for the NZ film industry
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"Phoenix are the real cause for the loss of the Hobbit"
"Phoenix till they lose"
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The terms and conditions offered by The Hobbit are better than minimums.
The point is that conditions for NZ actors are lower than that of actor coming from overseas to do the exact same job. You think that is fair?
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The point is that conditions for NZ actors are lower than that of actor coming from overseas to do the exact same job.� You think that is fair?
The terms and conditions offered by The Hobbit are better than minimums.
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forgetting about tax breaks Michael. Plus you are assuming these conditions have a high monetary cost.
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Where the name came from, before it became a genuine tag. Man is a genius.
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What the actors want isn't about conditions, it's really about marginal profits of the film disguised as a problem of 'conditions' - the favourite word of any union.
If the NZAE actors don't want to take what they're offered, then don't bloody audition for the film. Don't let the Australians union-ise our film industry and drag it down.
If the NZAE actors don't want to take what they're offered, then don't bloody audition for the film. Don't let the Australians union-ise our film industry and drag it down.
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Yeah! how dare actor demands minimum working conditions.
But they weren't 2B - well, not most of them anyway. Most were reasonably happy. However, any discussion over "working conditions", minimum or otherwise, is now unnecessary because they won't have any work.
Helen Kelley called Peter Jackson a "spoilt brat" on ZB this morning. When you resort to name-calling it's pretty obvious things have not gone to plan. She strikes me as a very abrasive woman.
Unions. Just brilliant organisations. I bet the members are rapt with the outcome here.
And Robyn Malcolm getting verbal abuse while trying to eat dinner is any better?
If we as a country start accepting a 'it's these conditions or nothing' type arrangment then it become a race to the bottom.
www.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com
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The terms and conditions offered by The Hobbit are better than minimums.
The point is that conditions for NZ actors are lower than that of actor coming from overseas to do the exact same job. You think that is fair?
how is it unfair, they are actors working in NZ, not the US or aussie...different economies. I don't get paid the same as people in the same role in aussie should I go on strike to?
Queenslander 3x a year.
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The terms and conditions offered by The Hobbit are better than minimums.
The point is that conditions for NZ actors are lower than that of actor coming from overseas to do the exact same job. You think that is fair?
how is it unfair, they are actors working in NZ, not the US or aussie...different economies. I don't get paid the same as people in the same role in aussie should I go on strike to?
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Yeah! how dare actor demands minimum working conditions.
But they weren't 2B - well, not most of them anyway. Most were reasonably happy. However, any discussion over "working conditions", minimum or otherwise, is now unnecessary because they won't have any work.
Helen Kelley called Peter Jackson a "spoilt brat" on ZB this morning. When you resort to name-calling it's pretty obvious things have not gone to plan. She strikes me as a very abrasive woman.
Unions. Just brilliant organisations. I bet the members are rapt with the outcome here.
And Robyn Malcolm getting verbal abuse while trying to eat dinner is any better?
If we as a country start accepting a 'it's these conditions or nothing' type arrangment then it become a race to the bottom.
Such disgraceful behaviour.
Unionists - don't stand for this. Form picket lines and resurrect the Fedration of Labour. The spirit of Jim Knox ("you and me against the world or at least the gummnt") lives on.
"Phoenix till they lose"
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The terms and conditions offered by The Hobbit are better than minimums.
The point is that conditions for NZ actors are lower than that of actor coming from overseas to do the exact same job. You think that is fair?
how is it unfair, they are actors working in NZ, not the US or aussie...different economies. I don't get paid the same as people in the same role in aussie should I go on strike to?
not really, money or not, you work in nz for an nz film regardless of where you come from. I reiterate my point before - if I was an american barrista, and came over here to make coffe for glorioa jeans or mojo - who's conditions/work laws would I be employed under? certainly not the same ones I was in the states - should I be striking?
Queenslander 3x a year.
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I don't understand your point.
BTW it isn't a NZ film.
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