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Posted March 31, 2018 02:24 · last edited March 31, 2018 02:29

Ryan wrote:

Ryan wrote:

We all live in little pods of people similar to ourselves which may make you think that most people think like you but thankfully you're wrong. Most people I know care. 

Can you not see how you just undermined the validity of your own comment there?

Of course I understand that which is why the rest of that post that you conveniently didn't quote went:

"As above i can't extrapolate this sample to represent everyone but it's enough for me to know you're wrong."

I wish people would read.

Also, it may be true that some industries draw more of one gender than another but you can't tell me that music is one of them. 

I was listening to that hardcore history podcast and they said that females and children used to make up most of the crowd at public torture and execution events but then society decided that women should be the nurturing types and it was disgusting that they were enjoying themselves at such events and gradually that became true.

As I said, they don't want half the performers to be female or anything like that, they want one female performer in one song for the entire night in any band. That's hardly an onerous requirement, and I'm sure if (as you ascertain) females aren't musically inclined (which they are just as much as males) that there is one female musician out there.

Oh trust me I read all of your post and I still came to the same conclusion ;-)

Anyhow who are you to tell someone they are right or wrong?

Enough with this binary thinking and how about trying to look at the world in a way more befitting the people (and their opinions) who inhabit it....because life isn't black and white, right and wrong. You seem to live your life according to some Social Justice Warrior 101 code and that's fine and dandy but has it ever occurred to you that other people see the world differently? And that their views/opinions are just as valid and as important as your own?

Why should everyone live their life according to what you think is right or wrong? Who are ya :)

Sorry but actually imo it is too much to ask that some demographic be compulsory as a member of a band at a gig, I don't care what demographic it is.


If someone, male/female/other has the work ethic and passion to start a band and make it to the point where they are gigging then good on them and that's all there is to it. Enforcing "diversity" reeks of some sort of fascism to me and I am not having it.


And the diversity you want to enforce isn't anything more than some reactionary gender politics (1st world problems).  If you were really sincere about "diversity" you would have quotas for all races, ethnic groups, sexual orientations and income brackets surely? Or do you pick and choose what diversity you want? And are some types of diversity worth more than others? Your philosophy has a lot of disturbing holes in it.

And anyhow when are we going to see enforced "diversity" at places where women dominate? Surely it has to apply across the board and inn a fair manner? Or is it just males who need to be "diversed"out of the way?

Thats what I want to know ;-)

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Unknown editor edited March 31, 2018 02:29
Ryan wrote:
Christchurch Rangers wrote:
Ryan wrote:

We all live in little pods of people similar to ourselves which may make you think that most people think like you but thankfully you're wrong. Most people I know care. 

Can you not see how you just undermined the validity of your own comment there?

Of course I understand that which is why the rest of that post that you conveniently didn't quote went:

"As above i can't extrapolate this sample to represent everyone but it's enough for me to know you're wrong."

I wish people would read.

Also, it may be true that some industries draw more of one gender than another but you can't tell me that music is one of them. 

I was listening to that hardcore history podcast and they said that females and children used to make up most of the crowd at public torture and execution events but then society decided that women should be the nurturing types and it was disgusting that they were enjoying themselves at such events and gradually that became true.

As I said, they don't want half the performers to be female or anything like that, they want one female performer in one song for the entire night in any band. That's hardly an onerous requirement, and I'm sure if (as you ascertain) females aren't musically inclined (which they are just as much as males) that there is one female musician out there.

Oh trust me I read all of your post and I still came to the same conclusion ;-)

Anyhow who are you to tell someone they are right or wrong?

Enough with this binary thinking and how about trying to look at the world in a way more befitting the people (and their opinions) who inhabit it....because life isn't black and white, right and wrong. You seem to live your life according to some Social Justice Warrior 101 code and that's fine and dandy but has it ever occurred to you that other people see the world differently? And that their views/opinions are just as valid and as important as your own?

Why should everyone live their life according to what you think is right or wrong? Who are ya :)

Sorry but actually imo it is too much to ask that some demographic be compulsory as a member of a band at a gig, I don't care what demographic it is.


If someone, male/female/other has the work ethic and passion to start a band and make it to the point where they are gigging then good on them and that's all there is to it. Enforcing "diversity" reeks of some sort of fascism to me and I am not having it.


And the diversity you want to enforce isn't anything more than some reactionary gender politics (1st world problems). 

So when are we going to see enforced "diversity" at places where women dominate?

Thats what I want to know ;-)

Unknown editor edited March 31, 2018 02:26
Ryan wrote:
Christchurch Rangers wrote:
Ryan wrote:

We all live in little pods of people similar to ourselves which may make you think that most people think like you but thankfully you're wrong. Most people I know care. [/quote]

Can you not see how you just undermined the validity of your own comment there?

Of course I understand that which is why the rest of that post that you conveniently didn't quote went:

"As above i can't extrapolate this sample to represent everyone but it's enough for me to know you're wrong."

I wish people would read.

Also, it may be true that some industries draw more of one gender than another but you can't tell me that music is one of them. 

I was listening to that hardcore history podcast and they said that females and children used to make up most of the crowd at public torture and execution events but then society decided that women should be the nurturing types and it was disgusting that they were enjoying themselves at such events and gradually that became true.

As I said, they don't want half the performers to be female or anything like that, they want one female performer in one song for the entire night in any band. That's hardly an onerous requirement, and I'm sure if (as you ascertain) females aren't musically inclined (which they are just as much as males) that there is one female musician out there.

[quote]As I said, they don't want half the performers to be female or anything like that, they want one female performer in one song for the entire night in any band. That's hardly an onerous requirement, and I'm sure if (as you ascertain) females aren't musically inclined (which they are just as much as males) that there is one female musician out there.

Sorry but actually imo it is too much to ask that some demographic be compulsory as a member of a band at a gig, I don't care what demographic it is.


If someone, male/female/other has the work ethic and passion to start a band and make it to the point where they are gigging then good on them and that's all there is to it. Enforcing "diversity" reeks of some sort of fascism to me and I am not having it.


And the diversity you want to enforce isn't anything more than some reactionary gender politics (1st world problems). 

So when are we going to see enforced "diversity" at places where women dominate?

Thats what I want to know ;-)

Unknown editor edited March 31, 2018 02:25
Ryan wrote:
Christchurch Rangers wrote:
Ryan wrote:

We all live in little pods of people similar to ourselves which may make you think that most people think like you but thankfully you're wrong. Most people I know care. [/quote]

Can you not see how you just undermined the validity of your own comment there?

Of course I understand that which is why the rest of that post that you conveniently didn't quote went:

"As above i can't extrapolate this sample to represent everyone but it's enough for me to know you're wrong."

I wish people would read.

Also, it may be true that some industries draw more of one gender than another but you can't tell me that music is one of them. 

I was listening to that hardcore history podcast and they said that females and children used to make up most of the crowd at public torture and execution events but then society decided that women should be the nurturing types and it was disgusting that they were enjoying themselves at such events and gradually that became true.

As I said, they don't want half the performers to be female or anything like that, they want one female performer in one song for the entire night in any band. That's hardly an onerous requirement, and I'm sure if (as you ascertain) females aren't musically inclined (which they are just as much as males) that there is one female musician out there.

Oh trust me I read all of your post and I still came to the same conclusion ;-)

Anyhow who are you to tell someone they are right or wrong? 

Enough with this binary thinking and how about trying to look at the world in a way more befitting the people (and their opinions) who inhabit it....because life isn't black and white, right and wrong. You seem to live your life according to some Social Justice Warrior 101 code and that's fine and dandy but has it ever occurred to you that other people see the world differently? And that their views/opinions are just as valid and as important as your own?

Why should everyone live their life according to what you think is right or wrong? Who are ya :)

As for this part:

[quote]As I said, they don't want half the performers to be female or anything like that, they want one female performer in one song for the entire night in any band. That's hardly an onerous requirement, and I'm sure if (as you ascertain) females aren't musically inclined (which they are just as much as males) that there is one female musician out there.

Sorry but actually imo it is too much to ask that some demographic be compulsory as a member of a band at a gig, I don't care what demographic it is.


If someone, male/female/other has the work ethic and passion to start a band and make it to the point where they are gigging then good on them and that's all there is to it. Enforcing "diversity" reeks of some sort of fascism to me and I am not having it.


And the diversity you want to enforce isn't anything more than some reactionary gender politics (1st world problems). 

So when are we going to see enforced "diversity" at places where women dominate?

Thats what I want to know ;-)

Unknown editor edited March 31, 2018 02:24
Ryan wrote:
Christchurch Rangers wrote:
Ryan wrote:

We all live in little pods of people similar to ourselves which may make you think that most people think like you but thankfully you're wrong. Most people I know care. [/quote]

Can you not see how you just undermined the validity of your own comment there?

Of course I understand that which is why the rest of that post that you conveniently didn't quote went:

"As above i can't extrapolate this sample to represent everyone but it's enough for me to know you're wrong."

I wish people would read.

Also, it may be true that some industries draw more of one gender than another but you can't tell me that music is one of them. 

I was listening to that hardcore history podcast and they said that females and children used to make up most of the crowd at public torture and execution events but then society decided that women should be the nurturing types and it was disgusting that they were enjoying themselves at such events and gradually that became true.

As I said, they don't want half the performers to be female or anything like that, they want one female performer in one song for the entire night in any band. That's hardly an onerous requirement, and I'm sure if (as you ascertain) females aren't musically inclined (which they are just as much as males) that there is one female musician out there.

Oh trust me I read all of your post and I still came to the same conclusion ;-)

Anyhow who are you to tell someone they are right or wrong? 

Enough with this binary thinking and how about trying to look at the world in a way more befitting the people (and their opinions) who inhabit it....because life isn't black and white, right and wrong. You seem to live your life according to some Social Justice Warrior 101 code and that's fine and dandy but has it ever occurred to you that other people see the world differently? And that their views/opinions are just as valid and as important as your own?

Why should everyone live their life according to what you think is right or wrong? Who are ya :)

As for this part:

[quote]As I said, they don't want half the performers to be female or anything like that, they want one female performer in one song for the entire night in any band. That's hardly an onerous requirement, and I'm sure if (as you ascertain) females aren't musically inclined (which they are just as much as males) that there is one female musician out there.

Sorry but actually imo it is too much to ask that some demographic be compulsory as a member of a band at a gig, I don't care what demographic it is.


If someone, male/female/other has the work ethic and passion to start a band and make it to the point where they are gigging then good on them and that's all there is to it. Enforcing "diversity" reeks of some sort of fascism to me and I am not having it.


And the diversity you want to enforce isn't anything more than some reactionary gender politics (1st world problems). 

So when are we going to see enforced "diversity" at places where women dominate?

Thats what I want to know ;-)