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Posted April 13, 2018 03:31 · last edited April 13, 2018 03:33

sthn.jeff wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

so all the rockets fired from Gaza only contain rocks ?

Strawman argument 

Why are the Palestinians firing things in the first place? 

Just highlights the huge imbalance of power though: 

-Israel oppresses Palestinians with dodgy laws, sophisticated weaponry, and downright aggression,  

-Palestinians respond in defiance with a few rocks or some rudimentary type of device that could be loosely described as a missile.

-Israel cried "we are under attack and we must defend ourselves!"

-Israel oppresses Palestinians with more dodgy laws, sophisticated weaponry, and downright aggression,

and on it goes.

Palestinians cannot succeed against such odds on their own and Israel knows it. In fact the only thing that surprises me is that Israel hasn't been even more bold and ruthless in its taking over of Palestine.

I really feel for the Palestinians as they must think that they have been abandoned by justice

Not to mention the biggest paradox of all - Zionist Jews commit an act of political violence/terrorism and get a nation-state out of it, Palestinians do the same, they get bombed into the stone age.

But overall you're spot on, as long as US gives unreserved support to Israel, there is no prospect of a decent compromise that can create a sense of justice for everyone, and more importantly, let everyone get on with their lives without being worried that they can randomly die simply by jumping on the bus or playing football with their mates.

Even do a Wikipedia search on Rocket attacks on Israel from Gazza and you will see it is hardly a "few rudementary  devices"

2002 - 17 Rockets 455 Mortar Shells

2003 - 123 rockets and 514 mortars

2004 - 882 mortar shells and 276  rockets

2005 - 574 mortar shells and 286 rockets

2006 - 1,247 rockets and 28 mortars

2007 - A total of 2,807 rockets and mortars

2008 - 1575 Rockets 1528 Mortars

2009 - 858 Rockets and Mortars

2010 -  569 rocket launches and 289 mortar launches.

2011 - 680 Rockets and Mortars

2012 - 2257 Rockets

2013 - 68 Rockets and Mortars

2014 - 4036 Rockets and Mortars

2015 - 4594 Rockets and Mortars

2016 - 12 Rockets

2017 - 51 Rockets

But again this is a strawman argument

Why are Palestinians fighting back in the first place? 

Maybe if Israel did occupy (illegally) Palestinian land then the Palestinians would have no reason to get angry? Instead all we get is Israel, a veritable middle east super power, playing the victim card whenever anyone dares to stand in their way ie kids throwing stones and israeli troops.

Hmmmmmmmmm

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sthn.jeff wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Christchurch Rangers wrote:
sthn.jeff wrote:

so all the rockets fired from Gaza only contain rocks ?

Strawman argument 

Why are the Palestinians firing things in the first place? 

Just highlights the huge imbalance of power though: 

-Israel oppresses Palestinians with dodgy laws, sophisticated weaponry, and downright aggression,  

-Palestinians respond in defiance with a few rocks or some rudimentary type of device that could be loosely described as a missile.

-Israel cried "we are under attack and we must defend ourselves!"

-Israel oppresses Palestinians with more dodgy laws, sophisticated weaponry, and downright aggression,

and on it goes.

Palestinians cannot succeed against such odds on their own and Israel knows it. In fact the only thing that surprises me is that Israel hasn't been even more bold and ruthless in its taking over of Palestine.

I really feel for the Palestinians as they must think that they have been abandoned by justice

Not to mention the biggest paradox of all - Zionist Jews commit an act of political violence/terrorism and get a nation-state out of it, Palestinians do the same, they get bombed into the stone age.

But overall you're spot on, as long as US gives unreserved support to Israel, there is no prospect of a decent compromise that can create a sense of justice for everyone, and more importantly, let everyone get on with their lives without being worried that they can randomly die simply by jumping on the bus or playing football with their mates.

Even do a Wikipedia search on Rocket attacks on Israel from Gazza and you will see it is hardly a "few rudementary  devices"

2002 - 17 Rockets 455 Mortar Shells

2003 - 123 rockets and 514 mortars

2004 - 882 mortar shells and 276  rockets

2005 - 574 mortar shells and 286 rockets

2006 - 1,247 rockets and 28 mortars

2007 - A total of 2,807 rockets and mortars

2008 - 1575 Rockets 1528 Mortars

2009 - 858 Rockets and Mortars

2010 -  569 rocket launches and 289 mortar launches.

2011 - 680 Rockets and Mortars

2012 - 2257 Rockets

2013 - 68 Rockets and Mortars

2014 - 4036 Rockets and Mortars

2015 - 4594 Rockets and Mortars

2016 - 12 Rockets

2017 - 51 Rockets

But again this is a strawman argument

Why are Palestinians fighting back in the first place? 

The term rocket is used very loosely when describing the missiles fired btw. They are hardly cruise missiles!