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Posted April 19, 2018 10:06 · last edited April 19, 2018 10:21

Leggy wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Well, what's the alternatives? Tear down the internet?

The NZ economy is screwed unless something changes because the internet leads itself to monopoly and multinational corporations and most of those are based in the US. We've been isolated because our market is small but you can see the fear in Australian retail now that Amazon has moved in.

You have companies like spacex building a constelation of low orbit satelites to provide inexpensive global internet which will disrupt the NZ telecommunication industries.

You have electric vehicles disrupting the energy industry.

You have drones delivering things from fulfillment centers which will destroy logistics and retail.

Automation is destroying manufacturing and most industries will be severely disrupted. 

Automation and technology will completely change our economies as we know them, this will suck, but it will also be a leveler so the issues that we have around borders now, which are about locking in wealth and keeping those less fortunate out,won't be a big deal because there won't be jobs anywhere anyway.

I'm not talking about cutting out borders tomorrow, just that technology is making us more of a global society anyway and borders are getting less and less relevant. It took almost forty years from the creation of the EU to the formation of a common market. The modern form of globalisation is only 20 years old and started with the first dotcom boom, these changes take time obviously.

I don't quite know where that rant came from and I think everyone else on this forum also won't understand it but once again some facts.

Since the internet was developed, borders and states have increased. 

We were talking about borders and I elaborated on why they don't work. I don't know the stats on the strengthening of borders but there's always a reaction to change. The fact that walls are being built actually proves that sovereignty is being disrupted and borders are becoming less relevant.

Tim Burners Lee founded the internet in 1990, since then 20 countries have joined the Schengen area, although I don't think that's a relevant stat. The point is the degradation of sovereignty and borders are gradual.

Why should sovereignty be disrupted? 

I can't believe that you are so out of touch with daily routine. 

Don't forget that a lot of countries have  marine borders and have territorial rights.

I think you're out of touch, the examples I gave of disruption of sovereignty were all virtual or in space. NZ may be a last bastion because of a small market and geographical isolation but borders don't mean anything near what they once did.

Do you think there will be banks if there's a global distributed currency?

We used to send letters through a domestic mail system now it mail goes through Google.

We used to use a domestic telephone network now voice calls go through Microsoft.

We used to buy things at stores now it's amazon.

Not domestic companies, not businesses which are employing kiwis, paying taxes, or abiding by our sovereign wishes. Look at how even China and Russia can't control access to services like telegram. Sovereignty is impossible when information has no border.

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Leggy wrote:
Ryan wrote:
AucklandPhoenix wrote:
Ryan wrote:

Well, what's the alternatives? Tear down the internet?

The NZ economy is screwed unless something changes because the internet leads itself to monopoly and multinational corporations and most of those are based in the US. We've been isolated because our market is small but you can see the fear in Australian retail now that Amazon has moved in.

You have companies like spacex building a constelation of low orbit satelites to provide inexpensive global internet which will disrupt the NZ telecommunication industries.

You have electric vehicles disrupting the energy industry.

You have drones delivering things from fulfillment centers which will destroy logistics and retail.

Automation is destroying manufacturing and most industries will be severely disrupted. 

Automation and technology will completely change our economies as we know them, this will suck, but it will also be a leveler so the issues that we have around borders now, which are about locking in wealth and keeping those less fortunate out,won't be a big deal because there won't be jobs anywhere anyway.

I'm not talking about cutting out borders tomorrow, just that technology is making us more of a global society anyway and borders are getting less and less relevant. It took almost forty years from the creation of the EU to the formation of a common market. The modern form of globalisation is only 20 years old and started with the first dotcom boom, these changes take time obviously.

I don't quite know where that rant came from and I think everyone else on this forum also won't understand it but once again some facts.

Since the internet was developed, borders and states have increased. 

We were talking about borders and I elaborated on why they don't work. I don't know the stats on the strengthening of borders but there's always a reaction to change. The fact that walls are being built actually proves that sovereignty is being disrupted and borders are becoming less relevant.

Tim Burners Lee founded the internet in 1990, since then 20 countries have joined the Schengen area, although I don't think that's a relevant stat. The point is the degradation of sovereignty and borders are gradual.

Why should sovereignty be disrupted? 

I can't believe that you are so out of touch with daily routine. 

Don't forget that a lot of countries have  marine borders and have territorial rights.

I think you're out of touch, the examples I gave of disruption of sovereignty were all virtual or in space. NZ may be a last bastion because of a small market and geographical isolation but you're mad if you think borders mean anything.

Do you think there will be banks if there's a global distributed currency?

We used to send letters through a domestic mail system now it mail goes through Google.

We used to use a domestic telephone network now voice calls go through Microsoft.

We used to buy things at stores now it's amazon.

Not domestic companies, not businesses which are employing kiwis, paying taxes, or abiding by our sovereign wishes. Look at how even China and Russia can't control access to services like telegram. Sovereignty is impossible when information has no border.

Unknown editor edited April 19, 2018 10:10
Leggy wrote:
Ryan wrote:
AucklandPhoenix wrote:
Ryan wrote:

Well, what's the alternatives? Tear down the internet?

The NZ economy is screwed unless something changes because the internet leads itself to monopoly and multinational corporations and most of those are based in the US. We've been isolated because our market is small but you can see the fear in Australian retail now that Amazon has moved in.

You have companies like spacex building a constelation of low orbit satelites to provide inexpensive global internet which will disrupt the NZ telecommunication industries.

You have electric vehicles disrupting the energy industry.

You have drones delivering things from fulfillment centers which will destroy logistics and retail.

Automation is destroying manufacturing and most industries will be severely disrupted. 

Automation and technology will completely change our economies as we know them, this will suck, but it will also be a leveler so the issues that we have around borders now, which are about locking in wealth and keeping those less fortunate out,won't be a big deal because there won't be jobs anywhere anyway.

I'm not talking about cutting out borders tomorrow, just that technology is making us more of a global society anyway and borders are getting less and less relevant. It took almost forty years from the creation of the EU to the formation of a common market. The modern form of globalisation is only 20 years old and started with the first dotcom boom, these changes take time obviously.

I don't quite know where that rant came from and I think everyone else on this forum also won't understand it but once again some facts.

Since the internet was developed, borders and states have increased. 

We were talking about borders and I elaborated on why they don't work. I don't know the stats on the strengthening of borders but there's always a reaction to change. The fact that walls are being built actually proves that sovereignty is being disrupted and borders are becoming less relevant.

Tim Burners Lee founded the internet in 1990, since then 20 countries have joined the Schengen area, although I don't think that's a relevant stat. The point is the degradation of sovereignty and borders are gradual.

Why should sovereignty be disrupted? 

I can't believe that you are so out of touch with daily routine. 

Don't forget that a lot of countries have  marine borders and have territorial rights.

I think you're out of touch, the examples I gave of disruption of sovereignty were all virtual or in space. NZ may be a last bastion because of a small market and geographical isolation but your mad if you think borders mean anything.

Do you think there will be banks if there's a global distributed currency?

We used to send letters through a domestic mail system now it mail goes through Google.

We used to use a domestic telephone network now voice calls go through Microsoft.

We used to buy things at stores now it's amazon.

Not domestic companies, not businesses which are employing kiwis, paying taxes, or abiding by our sovereign wishes. Look at how even China and Russia can't control access to services like telegram. Sovereignty is impossible when information has no border.