this is a bloke

this is a bloke

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/2770812/South-African-teen-wins-800-amid-gender-test-flap

It's a bloke.

Saw the race before knowing about the headline, saw the guy running thought, hang on that's a bloke in this race, a women's race, then the wife told me about the "controversy".


Why do the need to do "extremely complex" testing it's obvious? All you need to do is pick 10 guys at random show them the footage and ask them "man" or "man-women-man"?

Why can't they cheat like the good ol' Soviets used to do? You knew that athlete from Siberia throwing the discus was a lady even though she had a beard and was built like a brick sh*tehouse - it was down to good old fashioned steriods.

Looks like Lady Gaga is too:
http://current.com/items/187376.htm

yeah could be as I've got one of those.

Either that was a penis or it is the biggest clit the world has ever seen!

either way mines bigger

IAAF have to be the biggest f**kwits in the world.

This. That being said, if "she" is a bloke, then "he" deserves humiliation, but that can come AFTER the test tyvm.

Gender testing is simple - a cheek swab, nothing more. Get it done, get the results, then confirm/deny. No need to make a media circus.

Think this is a bit more complicated than a simple swab. Guessing there's probably a trans-gender issue involved.

from what i understand -(admittedly very little about trans gender and hermaphrodites) Its more to do with male/female hormone ratios, and percentages of oestrogen to testosterone. they don't just take a squiz down the front of you pants to see if you are tucking.

Explanation from a South African doctor on the issues involved:

First of all, the difference between sex and gender must be clarified. In most cases they are used interchangeably, but this is incorrect. Gender refers to how an individual portrays and perceives him or herself---for example male or female. It is more of a social construct than a biological one. Sex, on the other hand, is biological, and that is the essence of the debate in this case, whether or not Semenya is of male or female sex, not gender. An individual can have male sex but female gender, and vice versa. For an enlightening and intelligent debate about this case, read the comments below. They represent a wide range of opinions from individuals of diverse backgrounds.

Following on from that, "private parts" do not alone constitute male or female. This is a rudimentary distinction, but does not acknowledge a range of developmental conditions that can cause male characteristics to develop without there needing to be male reproductive organs. The condition of pseudohermaphroditism is one where male organs develop in varying degrees, and so the absence of male organs is not proof of anything. The fact that ASA believe that "asking her to show us her private parts" will do the job suggests that they have little idea of the issues. In that case, the first quote above, regarding ASA being "certain" of her sex before sending her, is laughable. The only thing we can be certain of is that ASA have little understanding of the problem.

Second, even genetic testing cannot confirm male or female. In fact, it is so complex that to do proper sex determination testing, you have to take a multi-disciplinary approach, and make use of internal medicine specialists, gynecologists, psychologists, geneticists and endocrinologists. I am afraid that dropping your pants is not proof at all.

Good on you for catching me out on gender/sex, I usually know better - heck, we even covered that in my sociology lecture last week

If it is a transgender issue rather than your simple "male pretending to be female for success", then this could play out very interesting.

The rumour (unconfirmed, but apparently credible) is that she's a hermaphrodite.

So if you tell her to go f**k herself, she can!

Hermies should compete in men's events to make it harder* for them to have an advantage.

If a hermie made anything hard, it should be amputated for treachory.

Shemale

Anyone else hear him speak on the TV1 news tonight? Either he is a she with a dose of steroids or She has a VERY deep voice. Whilst sitting on the fence till now, definately a him or a chick on steroids. Lonegunmen2009-08-26 18:34:44

Simple Test...

I just heard that an acronym (Yes?) of her name is.

Yes a secret man

Hermaphradite, Has internal male organ and testicles and gets a good dose of testosterone giving him an advantage over the women.

This is a horrible situation, really really sad. You can't help but feel sorry for the girl.

No womb, but a hidden dick. I wondered about it after they interviewed him and his voice was deeper than a lot of men.