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Posted November 09, 2016 21:52 · last edited November 09, 2016 21:55

This may look like a snide post but I do not want it to be. More just a conversational piece.

There are 2 remarkable points of to consider about this Trump win.

1: "" America is racist because they voted for the bigoted, sexist white man that was gonna lock out all the "ch*nks, sp*cks and n****rs" ""
I think there is merit in some of that but thats not the reason for all of it because.....

2: Had Obama been running again for a 3rd term, he would have won and won easily. This would be in stark contrast to point 1

So that being said, while the blue collar white American male mobilised and voted for Trump cause he promised to let them keep their guns, shoot the gays and kick anything out not in line with the KKK way of thinking, if Obama had been running, then where does that put that theory?

I think there is a combination of things here at play here which we may not be aware of from afar

1: Its not common for the sitting presidents party to hold the seat for a 3rd term after the incumbent has reached his 2 terms

2: While there is a voice for change, was change away from a black president to a female president with the same policies as Obama or was change something entirely different like Trump?

3: The hill that is being climbed in terms of social acceptance to change in America where there has been a black president is a lot bigger than people imagined and they are not accepting of a female president.

4: The Clintons are deeply disliked by 'middle America'. When you look at the landscape of NZ and middle NZ, Key has done a great job of pitching his party and policies at that block of voters - the same thing that Trump has largely done and Labour has not figured out and probably never will while unions hold power over the head of party. Those voters are the majority largely.

5: Trump as a businessman is successful. Will he run America with the retoric that he campaigned on? Unlikely cause if he believed that, there is no way he would have been a successful businessman and be in the running in the 1st place.

6: The Clintons took a lot of their base states support for granted which is arrogant to say the least

Trump *could* be good for America as a country. Its not good for the rest of the world because his policy is very much 'America 1st and the rest of you get stuffed' but for America, he could potentially be an ok president if he runs it the same as his businesses. I can't see it happening but then who else picked Brexit and Trump? I think at the very least, its probably fair to say that his mouth wrote a lot of cheques that his arse ain't gonna cash but at the moment, all bets are definitely off with him and what he can/will do.

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Jeff Vader edited November 09, 2016 21:55

This may look like a snide post but I do not want it to be. More just a conversational piece.

There are 2 remarkable points of to consider about this Trump win.

1: "" America is racist because they voted for the bigoted, sexist white man that was gonna lock out all the "ch*nks, sp*cks and n****rs" ""
I think there is merit in some of that but thats not the reason for all of it because.....

2: Had Obama been running again for a 3rd term, he would have won and won easily. This would be in stark contrast to point 1

So that being said, while the blue collar white American male mobilised and voted for Trump cause he promised to let them keep their guns, shoot the gays and kick anything out not in line with the KKK way of thinking, if Obama had been running, then where does that put that theory?

I think there is a combination of things here at play here which we may not be aware of from afar

1: Its not common for the sitting presidents party to hold the seat for a 3rd term after the incumbent has reached his 2 terms

2: While there is a voice for change, was change away from a black president to a female president with the same policies as Obama or was change something entirely different like Trump?

3: The hill that is being climbed in terms of social acceptance to change in America where there has been a black president is a lot bigger than people imagined and they are not accepting of a female president.

4: The Clintons are deeply disliked by 'middle America'. When you look at the landscape of NZ and middle NZ, Key has done a great job of pitching his party and policies at that block of voters - the same thing that Trump has largely done and Labour has not figured out and probably never will while unions hold power over the head of party. Those voters are the majority largely.

5: Trump as a businessman is successful. Will he run America with the retoric that he campaigned on? Unlikely cause if he believed that, there is no way he would have been a successful businessman and be in the running in the 1st place.

6: The Clintons took a lot of their base states support for granted which is arrogant to say the least

Trump *could* be good for America as a country. Its not good for the rest of the world because his policy is very much 'America 1st and the rest of you get stuffed' but for America, he could potentially be an ok president if he runs it the same as his businesses. I can't see it happening but then who else picked Brexit and Trump? At the moment, all bets are definitely off.

Jeff Vader edited November 09, 2016 21:54

This may look like a snide post but I do not want it to be. More just a conversational piece.

There are 2 remarkable points of to consider about this Trump win.

1: "" America is racist because they voted for the bigoted, sexist white man that was gonna lock out all the "ch*nks, sp*cks and n****rs" ""
I think there is merit in some of that but thats not the reason for all of it because.....

2: Had Obama been running again for a 3rd term, he would have won and won easily. This would be in stark contrast to point 1

So that being said, while the blue collar white American male mobilised and voted for Trump cause he promised to let them keep their guns, shoot the gays and kick anything out not in line with the KKK way of thinking, if Obama had been running, then where does that put that theory?

I think there is a combination of things here at play here which we may not be aware of from afar

1: Its not common for the sitting presidents party to hold the seat for a 3rd term after the incumbent has reached his 2 terms

2: While there is a voice for change, was change away from a black president to a female president with the same policies as Obama or was change something entirely different like Trump?

3: The hill that is being climbed in terms of social acceptance to change in America where there has been a black president is a lot bigger than people imagined and they are not accepting of a female president.

4: The Clintons are deeply disliked by 'middle America'. When you look at the landscape of NZ and middle NZ, Key has done a great job of pitching his party and policies at that block of voters - the same thing that Trump has largely done. Those voters are the majority largely.

5: Trump as a businessman is successful. Will he run America with the retoric that he campaigned on? Unlikely cause if he believed that, there is no way he would have been a successful businessman and be in the running in the 1st place.

6: The Clintons took a lot of their base states support for granted which is arrogant to say the least

Trump *could* be good for America as a country. Its not good for the rest of the world because his policy is very much 'America 1st and the rest of you get stuffed' but for America, he could potentially be an ok president if he runs it the same as his businesses. I can't see it happening but then who else picked Brexit and Trump? At the moment, all bets are definitely off.

Jeff Vader edited November 09, 2016 21:52

This may look like a snide post but I do not want it to be. More just a converational piece.

There are 2 remarkable points of to consider about this Trump win.

1: "" America is racist because they voted for the bigoted, sexist white man that was gonna lock out all the "ch*nks, sp*cks and n****rs" ""
I think there is merit in some of that but thats not the reason for all of it because.....

2: Had Obama been running again for a 3rd term, he would have won and won easily. This would be in stark contrast to point 1

So that being said, while the blue collar white American male mobilised and voted for Trump cause he promised to let them keep their guns, shoot the gays and kick anything out not in line with the KKK way of thinking, if Obama had been running, then where does that put that theory?

I think there is a combination of things here at play here which we may not be aware of from afar

1: Its not common for the sitting presidents party to hold the seat for a 3rd term after the incumbent has reached his 2 terms

2: While there is a voice for change, was change away from a black president to a female president with the same policies as Obama or was change something entirely different like Trump?

3: The hill that is being climbed in terms of social acceptance to change in America where there has been a black president is a lot bigger than people imagined and they are not accepting of a female president.

4: The Clintons are deeply disliked by 'middle America'. When you look at the landscape of NZ and middle NZ, Key has done a great job of pitching his party and policies at that block of voters - the same thing that Trump has largely done. Those voters are the majority largely.

5: Trump as a businessman is successful. Will he run America with the retoric that he campaigned on? Unlikely cause if he believed that, there is no way he would have been a successful businessman and be in the running in the 1st place.

6: The Clintons took a lot of their base states support for granted which is arrogant to say the least

Trump *could* be good for America as a country. Its not good for the rest of the world because his policy is very much 'America 1st and the rest of you get stuffed' but for America, he could potentially be an ok president if he runs it the same as his businesses. I can't see it happening but then who else picked Brexit and Trump? At the moment, all bets are definitely off.