Whats with the hate...

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

...football people in this country have taken for years they also have every right to have a go a the Oval ball codes.

I'll second that. As soon as I arrived in NZ, I took crap from rugby people for being a football person. The homophobic taunts endured as a football fan are ridiculous. When they tired of that, they moved on to painting all football fans as hooligans. It was quite a culture shock coming from England, where rugby is a merely an upper class twits game. I think they're just defensive because the know they are in a tiny minority.

I have been to one rugby match since being here. My then wife-to-be took me to a Super 12 semifinal between Otago and Canterbury. Not only was there NO atmosphere at the match, but there was hooliganism (taxi overturned, fighting, shop windows smashed)... so much for football hooligans! Can't see me ever going back to a rugby match. It was incredibly dull and boring. You couldn't see the ball half the time because it was under a pile of players and there all these scrums that had to be restarted several times as the ref kept blowing his whistle before eventually giving up and awarding a free kick. Rugby.... you can score fewer goals (tries) and still win.... be like winning football on corners.

I'm happy to have rugby getting in to football (welcome to the world by the way) - it will stop them peddling petty jibes.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Cosimo wrote:

if you wanna talk about the rugby, either a) go on a rugby forum or b) talk to pretty much anyone on the street

they better make it quick coz pretty soon, it'll be just football talk on the streets

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

It seems obvious to me. Phoenix is a football team. We support the Phoenix. So, we talk about the Phoenix. So it's only natural and, perhaps more pertinently, INHERENT that we talk football. This is a football/Phoenix forum. Couldn't be more obvious!!

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

ok man this is a footy forum, 90% of us hate rugby the other 10% may like rugby/other sports as well but they are a select few.

personally i hate rugby and dont care if all NZ hates us, we are underdogs already in the A-league and in NZ but i know footy fans are true fans and passionate for their city and team. The crowds at rugby games are dull and lifeless. Where is the passion? the love for your team? you sure have an odd way of showing it.

The truth is 90 minutes 90 emotions!!! i have never felt the emotions i feel when watching footy when i watched a rugby match. for example, yesterday when we went down 0-2 i felt so sick, i was in shock, some of us almost in tears at the thought of our team loosing at home fr our first game when we wellingtonians deserve this team so much.

Then, daniel scored....all the joy in the stands, we had hope again, we could pull back.

Then smeltz equalizer!!! i cant explain how we erupted with joy/madness my friend jumped over 2 seats just so he could share the celebrations with his football mates.

then the dreded shot that hit the post, the cries of how we came so close yet so far away from pulling an unbelieveable comeback against the champions.

This never happens in rugby. FOOTY fans are like a family, the people next to you are strangers but you all care for the same thing and the same players.

not to mention the passion in the crowd chant wise, we are rookies too. Some of us have been to games in europe where fans clubs have been around for decades and at these games you see and hear real football chanting. Give YF time i know we will only improve from here.

i actually doubt i will feel the same amount of joy i did at the game if i watched all NZ games at the rugby WC combined even if NZ wins it.

all rugby fans should take note that if NZ looses this time, thier beloved sport will slowly slip away from NZers and FOOTY will rise up.

ok i have to make one exception for there is one rugby nation that is still far away from footy fans but its better than NZ and all the others and that is of course WALES

so my friend dont tell us to stop bashing rugby, in my opinion most of us dont really care what you think of us

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Go Warzycha.............Most eloquently spoken.

I'm constantly amazed that considering we are a nation of mostly immigrants from footballing countries that we manage to let the media talk us into believing that rugby should be our national game...It's a passionless game played by a bunch of Orks...

GO PHEONIX............GO PHEONIX............GO PHEONIX...........

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

look moxstar... for as long as I can remember football has always been stererotyped as being for homos. even when I was five (29yrs ago!! arrgh) it was ingrained to us at school by P.E teachers the very same thing!

Nz has been deprived of the beautiful game for far to long. Big deal if a few people sl*g off rugby. IMHO rugby in this country has been overhyped for far to long. just look how many countries play football compared to rugby. I love rugby dont get me wrong but we in NZ are having it stuffed down our throat by the media day in day out.

The alienation has always been there. maybe you just havent seen it till now.

come on the phoenix, lions, all blacks, 7s, warriors,

and most important of all...

come on you irons!!

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

AllezLesJaunes wrote:

yay!!

I like tautologies because I like them.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

90% HATE rugby?? Where did you get your stats you moron? So you question every person who has registered on this forum and collated the results and you got "90% HATE rugby" ??? GET A GRIP!!

I LOVE my football, played since I was a wee lad, supported Man United growing up (thanks Mum) and still play now (Go you mighty Lower Hutt) but any notion that football will surpass rugby as the dominant sport in NZ if the AB's win the world cup is borderline retarded! Too many on here have a "black and white" view of the sporting world - FFS get a clue!

Open your other eye, this is NZ NOT europe, remember that.

Go The Phoenix
Go Man United
Go Lower Hutt City
Go The All Blacks
Go The Pittsburgh Steelers

ok....work to do!

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Barber21 wrote:

......
Go The Phoenix
Go Man United
Go Lower Hutt City
Go The All Blacks
Go The Pittsburgh Steelers.....

You forgot the Warriors, Carney

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

No i didnt ;)

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Barber21 wrote:

No i didnt ;)

what's with all the warriors hate?

I like tautologies because I like them.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Cosimo wrote:

Barber21 wrote:

No i didnt ;)

what's with all the warriors hate?

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

When they bring back the orginal style strip on a permanent basis i'll be roped back in!

Barber212007-08-28 10:45:04

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I've got a signed and framed one of those in the garage at home (no wall space for it).

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

u framed a phonecard??

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

yeah that strip was awesome! NRL jerseys suck now, apart from Souths

I like tautologies because I like them.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

on that note, does anyone else think that Melbourne's strip is terrible? i mean, grey?!

I like tautologies because I like them.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Weak as piss water, ala Manure's lovely grey strip.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

If the AB's get knocked out the WC I wont really give a sh*t.

Actually, I will, it will hopefully attract more people to our lovely sport. Go..... france?

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Barber21 wrote:

...any notion that football will surpass rugby as the dominant sport in NZ if the AB's win the world cup is borderline retarded! Too many on here have a "black and white" view of the sporting world - FFS get a clue!

Open your other eye, this is NZ NOT europe, remember that.

How can you be so wimpy, Barber 21? - your signature is " without struggle there is no purpose"

this is a bloody struggle, it has been for years

and my purpose right now is to spend my spare time pumping up the Nix and football in NZ!

with your defeatist attitude the All Blacks could go out in the QF and football would still be too cringing to get into the gap!

And yes, you might think i'm insane but I rang my son at 1/2 time Pool v AC Mil and said there is still hope! In football and with football there is always hope!!

If your attitude had been on the pitch on Sunday for the Nix we would have lost, and if your attitude was part of MV we would have won.

So don't try to tell us that football will never overtake rugby in this country - stats suggest I'll live for about another 27 years - I intend to see it happen before i shuffle off this mortal coil.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

It's a fine line between being a defeatist and a realist tigers and you seem to not know the difference.

If support for football in NZ increases we'll be onto a winner, but to think football will ever overtake rugby is nigh-on-insane.

yes without struggle there is no purpose - great saying by a truly great athlete.....but have you ever tried putting out a blazing fire in a high rise building with a Super Soaker 500??? No you haven't........now this may sound a bit morbid but instead of people focusing on "putting out rugbys fire"......why not "burn the building next door"

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Barber21 wrote:

cheers for you considered response B21,

whilst it currently seems unlikely that football will become more popular in NZ than rugby, I don't think we can give up on the possibililty

or we take a pluralist view and aim to be as popular as rugby.

In my view it's intrinsicly a better game and much bigger in a world sense.

NZ's population is becoming far more multi-ethnic and that will increase football's popularity.

So yep I'm hyped up by Sunday, and yes i'll probably be biased towards football and yes I still expect football to grow in this country.

Just when (or whether) the uphill curve of football intersects with the downhill curve of rugby time will tell.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Barber21 wrote:

p.s. you should have called some mates in with their super soakers to help you

tigers2007-08-28 14:19:19

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

hahahahaha nah they liked the fire lol

i guess we arent agreeing to disagree but I can appreciate your point of view.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Perhaps our best option is just to enjoy the Phoenix and see what happens

whilst keeping our supersoakers at hand, just in case

we'll both be singing the same songs 12 days from now

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

you are not wrong at that juncture my friend.
mmmm yellow supersoakers full of vodka.....hahahaha

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I think what is happening here is a burst of relief and a little (deserved) self-righteousness that football is getting some well deserved coverage after being treated like sh*t for so long. Basically there is no point in any prolonged campaign against rugby - after all we want to be inclusive and get them to see the light - convert them and fill our home matches full.

That said, let me point out (damn I can't resist!) that I spent over a year photographing for a book on rugby and I haven't got much good to say about it. But then neither have the rugby fans themselves - they're pissed off at all the rule changes, they're pissed off at the price hikes (this was when places like Jade were getting rid of the terraces - remember them?) and they're pissed off at meaningless internationals - in fact no one seened to be enjoying it at all. It was more a feeling of obligation and holding on to the past I found.

I feel a chant coming on "Cheer up Rugby - Football's here!"

Damn, there I go again - it is just so tempting isn't it...

Right I'll shut up now.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I bear no hate towards rugby, I like lots of different sport and I enjoy watching a good game of rugby. I just haven't seen a good game of rugby in years.

But my passion is for football.

But we don't need to worry about knocking rugby, it is doing a good enough job by itself, the rules are so complex that none of the players, refs or fans know what is going on, the administration couldn't find their arse with both hands and the public have become inundated with a deluge of mediocre games and mediocre competitions.

All we have to do is wait to see the disillusioned masses looking for something better, hold out a hand and say "come my brother, let me show you the light"

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

"come my brother, let me show you the light"

preach it Reverend Malky! HALLELUJAH!

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