I wonder if with the roll out of more turfs we will see midweek only leagues. I know the old adage that its better to be playing (midweek) than not at all - but some teams simply wont want to - particularly several times a season (taking up valuable drinking time).
thoughts?
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I wonder if with the roll out of more turfs we will see midweek only leagues. I know the old adage that its better to be playing (midweek) than not at all - but some teams simply wont want to - particularly several times a season (taking up valuable drinking time).
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Others can comment however, from a CF point of view those that choose not to, will have to put up with the vaguries of the weather and grounds each Saturday, more cancellations and the possibilty of not getting 18 games in a season.
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As far as I'm concerned, if you commit to play, you play. Doesn't matter if it's Saturday lunchtime, or Wednesday or Friday night.
And if you're not prepared to, then stay at home and do some knitting or something.
And if you're not prepared to, then stay at home and do some knitting or something.
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Except some people have these things called jobs. Or lives. Therefore a consistent time to play is pretty key...
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Perhaps at least a draw a few weeks ahead may help? Like.. At least two weeks?
Thats the notice people usually have to give when asking for time off.
Thats the notice people usually have to give when asking for time off.
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What happens when theres mid week games being played on turf and games cancelled on the weekends cant play because of this? Thats something else to consider
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having midweek only league would separate out those that are happy to play during the week and get to play on turf and not get cancelled - whilst taking the heat off the pitches for the week ie less grades
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having midweek only league would separate out those that are happy to play during the week and get to play on turf and not get cancelled - whilst taking the heat off the pitches for the week ie less grades
Theres that but if there isn't enough numbers to create grades that are even skill wise it could turn into a joke?
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having midweek only league would separate out those that are happy to play during the week and get to play on turf and not get cancelled - whilst taking the heat off the pitches for the week ie less grades
Theres that but if there isn't enough numbers to create grades that are even skill wise it could turn into a joke?
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as an aside - anyone think/find that you are more likely to roll an ankle/ do your knee in - on turf?
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Except some people have these things called jobs. Or lives. Therefore a consistent time to play is pretty key...
Like I said - it's all a question of commiting to play. If you commit, you make the time. If you can't, then don't commit in the first place.
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wouldnt you get people who play games on weekend and mid week or two grades as such... i know a few people who would be doing this. cough. romijns.
bobboltontawa22011-08-05 20:25:32
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wouldnt you get people who play games on weekend and mid week or two grades as such... i know a few people who would be doing this. cough. romijns.
that would make it a big fail so would beed to stop that (a bit like the u21 league)
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wouldnt you get people who play games on weekend and mid week or two grades as such... i know a few people who would be doing this. cough. romijns.
that would make it a big fail so would beed to stop that (a bit like the u21 league)
yea its a bit like the old team stacking that goes on in the higher grades. unsure how you stop it apart from telling the clubs not to do it.
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Except some people have these things called jobs. Or lives. Therefore a consistent time to play is pretty key...
Like I said - it's all a question of commiting to play. If you commit, you make the time. If you can't, then don't commit in the first place.
I can commit just fine. But having completely unpredictable nights and times and expecting everyone to have every night of the week free is unrealistic. It's ok the way it is,where 1 or 2 games a season you can try juggle things around. or toward the end of season when it becomes either this or it doesnt get played at all.
Or as someone said,early in the season the games on an artificial turf midweek etc can be released in advance. Then later in the season use the turf to catch up if need be.
Saying if people can't commit to football 24/7 then they shouldn't play is ridiculous,I'm sorry.
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Except some people have these things called jobs. Or lives. Therefore a consistent time to play is pretty key...
Like I said - it's all a question of commiting to play. If you commit, you make the time. If you can't, then don't commit in the first place.
I can commit just fine. But having completely unpredictable nights and times and expecting everyone to have every night of the week free is unrealistic. It's ok the way it is,where 1 or 2 games a season you can try juggle things around. or toward the end of season when it becomes either this or it doesnt get played at all.
Or as someone said,early in the season the games on an artificial turf midweek etc can be released in advance. Then later in the season use the turf to catch up if need be.
Saying if people can't commit to football 24/7 then they shouldn't play is ridiculous,I'm sorry.
Who said anything about 24/7 commitment? No-one is telling people they have to sit at home waiting for the call from Capital Football - "you're on in half an hour". The draw is released 7-10 days before games, and most teams would 2-3 mid-week games per season. How difficult is that?
el grapadura2011-08-05 23:57:45
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Because people sometimes have commitments other than football that they can't get out of. I very nearly couldn't play tonight for example.
I can try juggle to get to those games,but can't always manage it. You said if you can't fully commit then you shouldn't play. That's a little silly.
I already said it's a pretty good balance the way it is now, if I have to miss a game or two then so be it (as the alternative is they won't be played at all anyway)
I can try juggle to get to those games,but can't always manage it. You said if you can't fully commit then you shouldn't play. That's a little silly.
I already said it's a pretty good balance the way it is now, if I have to miss a game or two then so be it (as the alternative is they won't be played at all anyway)
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as an aside - anyone think/find that you are more likely to roll an ankle/ do your knee in -�on turf?
yeah i agree with this. An artificial gives less under foot so in theory puts more stress elsewhere ie joints. I played a midweek game on te whaea and the next day my knees were feeling it a bit which is quite unusuall for me. Te whaea is also a lot firmer than wakefield though which has to be noted.
I find this interesting because last summer before a nix game at the stadium I talked to a bloke who was [funnily enough] employed by north queensland fury to undertake an investigation into the relation of knee and ankle injuries to the firmness of pitches it the a-league. He was doing a few tests on the pitch and collecting data at the time. I wonder if anything similar has been done in relation to artificials.
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as an aside - anyone think/find that you are more likely to roll an ankle/ do your knee in - on turf?
yeah i agree with this. An artificial gives less under foot so in theory puts more stress elsewhere ie joints. I played a midweek game on te whaea and the next day my knees were feeling it a bit which is quite unusuall for me. Te whaea is also a lot firmer than wakefield though which has to be noted. I find this interesting because last summer before a nix game at the stadium I talked to a bloke who was [funnily enough] employed by north queensland fury to undertake an investigation into the relation of knee and ankle injuries to the firmness of pitches it the a-league. He was doing a few tests on the pitch and collecting data at the time. I wonder if anything similar has been done in relation to artificials.
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The difference in turf is due to the shock pads - Wakefiled has one whereas Te Whaea doesn't. They are pretty expensive to include. At the end of the day though, playing football on a surface that doesn't have the usual uneveness that grass pitches have means much better football for everyone
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You said if you can't fully commit then you shouldn't play.
And where exactly did I say that? I said if you commit to play, then you need to be prepared to play midweek games at times, not pick and choose when you want to play.
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That's fair if it's a consistent day and time. But midweek games requires a bit of juggling for some.
But yeah I get what you mean,the whole "I'll play when I feel like it" lacks commitment.
But yeah I get what you mean,the whole "I'll play when I feel like it" lacks commitment.
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I think they should play all midweek games between 9am and 5pm
If people want to commit then they will commit.
Unrealistic?
Some people do work nights, they commit to playing football on the weekend.
If people want to commit then they will commit.
Unrealistic?
Some people do work nights, they commit to playing football on the weekend.
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Some people do work nights, they commit to playing football on the weekend.
Some people work on weekends, and they still commit to playing football on the weekends.
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This whole thread just because one of Greenie's teams didn't want to play a game on a Friday night once.
FFS.
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Some people do work nights, they commit to playing football on the weekend.
Some people work on weekends, and they still commit to playing football on the weekends.
Well that would be a stupid commitment. Given all games but one or two are on the weekend.
Trying to flip that round didn't really work for you...
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partly true. But this is a major change to when football has traditionally been played. Players now have to potentially keep their week nights free.
And Smith you have never been part of a regular team so SHUT IT
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Anyone else think there are way too many midweek games being played?
we have just had our 4th game scheduled midweek. This is fine if it means extra games, or catching up, but every time it has meant that we have played midweek and NOT played on saturday.
That is 4 out of 12 games. 1/3 is way too many.
There was 1 game where I couldn't make it because of work, and this upcoming one I will have to try and get out of work to play (costing me money) or not play at all again. This causes me to pay more to play (via increased subs to pay for these pitches or lost wages), and I play less.
Anyone else think this is going into a bad trend? Soon will we be playing mostly midweek? It is already 33% (for my side anyway), over 50% isnt that much of a jump. The other issue is the loss of the social aspect of a club, which also affects bar takings as less teams go back to clubrooms due to not playing on the weekend.
These pitches should mean more games, and making it easier to get through a season. Instead it is the same amount of games, but at more inconvenient and inconsistent times for people.
Thoughts?
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Its all about taking pressure off natural surfaces. Grounds that turn to porridge like Happy Valley are now only having one game, if that, played on each pitch per week. Its now in the best condition its ever been (by Happy Valley standards), im sure there are many more grounds doing alot better also
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What team/ div are you Tegal?
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There are some grades that are seeing a lot more artificial time than others though. Out Cap 7 and Cap 10 sides have both had 4 or 5 while the Top 2 and bottom 2 haven't had any. Think our Masters have even had 3 as of this week.
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Reviewing the impacts of artificial turfs on the Hockey clubs a few years ago, will give some insight into what football clubs can expect.
Consensus would show the increase in skin injuries, the scheduling of games for unsocial hours, the demise of the club spirit and use of club rooms/ club bar.
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I don't think it will be quite as bad as the hockey impact as football is unlikely to be restricted to just playing on turfs.
Grass will be preferred and the playing numbers are so much larger that the number of turfs required won't be viable to move it all to hubs with turfs.
I've also had a think about my whine above and I suspect a lot of the use is based around the number of WCC based teams in the grade. So in my example out of 8, Cap 7 and 10 have 6, Masters 3 have 8 out of 9!
Also - From Capital football:
The midweek games have taken pressure off the grass pitches. Some of our grass pitches are in the best condition for some time. Yes the weather has been good, but the lesser use has had a significant impact.
Last weekend we had a significant number of restrictions in the Hutt. If it hadn’t been for the midweek games we would have had cancellations last weekend.
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Totally true. I have also noticed that pitches are in much better nick this year
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I'm in cap 7 naenae.
Should there be a cap on how many midweek games a grade has then? It sounds like we are getting inconvenienced so that everyone else can have slightly better pitches. You have to admit 4 out of 12 games is a little over the top.
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I'm in cap 7 naenae.
Should there be a cap on how many midweek games a grade has then? It sounds like we are getting inconvenienced so that everyone else can have slightly better pitches. You have to admit 4 out of 12 games is a little over the top.
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No need for gumboots at KP so far...
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Good question blew,with HNs comment I wonder if it's due to naenae only having 2 pitches. But I'm sure people won't care where they play,as long as its on a Saturday most of the time. Neutral games for some clubs?
Ill look into our midweek games,who they're against and if they're home or away.
I did wonder if other teams were having the same problem,but it doesn't sound like that is the case on the whole. Just a couple of grades getting midweek games in excess. I do think it's something for CF to look at,and worth the discussion here.
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In our grade:
North wWellington, tawa, Mirimar, Marist, Wellington united, lower hutt, naenae, Wellington Olympic
Our midweek games:
Thur 26 April AWAY vs Wellington Olympic @ Wakefield
Mon 11 June AWAY vs Marist @ Wakefield
Wed 20 June AWAY vs Wellington united @ wellington college
Als just noticed the 4th I was thinking of was on a Saturday at 5 pm AWAY vtawa
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