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Posted June 20, 2016 08:56 · last edited June 20, 2016 09:24

Wow. Where do we start? You aren't exactly in an unbiased position to be commenting on the correctness of calls in that game. (Yes, I was there).

You say it's not abuse the majority of the time. I can't comment on what the coach/bench team said as I never heard them that game, but let me quote you some "questioning" I heard from Olympic supporters/spectators at the game, including a man who also coaches a lower division Olympic team:

"You're a f**king disgrace ref." "You're a f**king waste of space ref." "Get off the f**king park." Really constructive there. Not only that, but there are younger kids there who then thought it was a good idea to copy them and start abusing the AR as well. Is that the example we are setting for kids these days?

I can say from experience that officiating in front of benches can be great when everyone on the bench is cordial and asking genuine questions; I always enjoy explaining things where appropriate. But what's not so enjoyable is the mindless, biased abuse from players and team officials who aren't happy that the game isn't going their way.

You talk about accountability, but that doesn't give you, or anyone else, the right to lambast officials when you aren't happy. You seem to have ignored the previous posts that state there was an assessor watching this game; he provides accountability. You/your club can write in; that provides accountability. In saying that, you might want to try utilising a little more civility than your post here. Players can't act like they often do then get surprised when your mouthy ramblings are ignored. 

Whilst we appreciate that you're okay with us getting paid $500 per game (more to spend at your clubrooms of course), the amount here is irrelevant. Neither you nor I should have to put up with abuse anywhere in life, regardless of the level of recompense. You even have non-refs like Tegal in this very thread stating that these attitudes put them off reffing. I can assure you that he is by no means alone.

If you want refs to be better, then we're on your side; all referees want to get better. But if that's what you're trying to achieve, you need to go back to the drawing board as your way simply isn't working. 

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Dothog edited June 20, 2016 09:24

Wow. Where do we start? You aren't exactly in an unbiased position to be commenting on the correctness of calls in that game. (Yes, I was there).

You say it's not abuse the majority of the time. I can't comment on what the coach/bench team said as I never heard them that game, but let me quote you some "questioning" I heard from Olympic supporters/spectators at the game, including a man who also coaches a lower division Olympic team:

"You're a f**king disgrace ref." "You're a f**king waste of space ref." "Get off the f**king park." Really constructive there. Not only that, but there are younger kids there who then thought it was a good idea to copy them and start abusing the AR as well. Is that the example we are setting for kids these days?

I can say from experience that officiating in front of benches can be great when everyone on the bench is cordial and asking genuine questions; I always enjoy explaining things where appropriate. But what's not so enjoyable is the mindless, biased abuse from players and team officials who aren't happy that the game isn't going their way.

You talk about accountability, but that doesn't give you, or anyone else, the right to lambast officials when you aren't happy. You seem to have ignored the previous posts that state there was an assessor watching this game; he provides accountability. You/your club can write in; that provides accountability. In saying that, you might want to try utilising a little more civility than your post here. Players can't act like they often do then get surprised when your mouthy ramblings are ignored. 

Whilst we appreciate that you're okay with us getting paid $500 per game (more to spend at your clubrooms of course), the amount here is irrelevant. Neither you nor I should have to put up with abuse anywhere in life, regardless of the level of recompense. You even have non-refs like Tegal in this very thread stating that these attitudes put them off reffing. I can assure you that he is by no means alone.

If you want refs to be better, then we're on your side; all referees want to get better. But if that's what you're trying to achieve, you need to go back to the drawing board as your way simply isn't working. 

Dothog edited June 20, 2016 09:24

Wow. Where do we start? You aren't exactly in an unbiased position to be commenting on the correctness of calls in that game. (Yes, I was there).

You say it's not abuse the majority of the time. I can't comment on what the coach/bench team said as I never heard them that game, but let me quote you some "questioning" I heard from Olympic supporters/spectators at the game, including a man who also coaches a lower division Olympic team:

"You're a f**king disgrace ref." "You're a f**king waste of space ref." "Get off the f**king park." Really constructive there. Not only that, but there are younger kids there who then thought it was a good idea to copy them and start abusing the AR as well. Is that the example we are setting for kids these days?

I can say from experience that officiating in front of benches can be great when everyone on the bench is cordial and asking genuine questions; I always enjoy explaining things where appropriate. But what's not so enjoyable is the mindless, biased abuse from players and team officials who aren't happy that the game isn't going their way.

You talk about accountability, but that doesn't give you, or anyone else, the right to lambast officials when you aren't happy. You seem to have ignored the previous posts that state there was an assessor watching this game; he provides accountability. You/your club can write in; that provides accountability. In saying that, you might want to try utilising a little more civility than your post here. Players can't act like they often do then get surprised when your mouthy ramblings are ignored. 

Whilst we appreciate that you're okay with us getting paid $500 per game (more to spend at your clubrooms of course), the amount here is irrelevant. Neither you nor I should have to put up with abuse anywhere in life, regardless of the level of recompense. You even have a non-refs like Tegal in this very thread stating that these attitudes put them off reffing. I can assure you that he is by no means alone.

If you want refs to be better, then we're on your side; all referees want to get better. But if that's what you're trying to achieve, you need to go back to the drawing board as your way simply isn't working.