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Central League Promotion Match

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I've just been through and deleted the rest of this thread. No apologies. I know you are certainly not all to blame for the personal and gutter nature of some of the banter, but if you were caught up in the conversation I deleted your posts as well.

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It's all fun and games until someone loses the league. He has probably heard it all before, and it won't stop because you have removed some posts!
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The worst thing about yesterday is that i heared people from stop out blaming the result on the ref and how they are going to make official complaints to capital soccer about the sending off issue. I dont even know if you can do that?  I wish they could of just acceptd they were never good enough to beat a in form Wairarapa side.  I thought the sending off was a bit rough but Wairarapa would of still dominated and won if it hadnt happened. Hopefully some changes are made and we have better luck next year. The Wairarapa side put out yesterday has alot of potential to do well next season. Well done

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I spoke to the centre back from stop out after the game and he was concerned it was going to be him that got sent off, so the ref had a couple of choices.  You are right, the way Wai United played yesterday Stop out could of played all their subs at once and still not won.
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From what I saw and heard the complaint if any could be centered around the way the ref spoke to a spectator at half time "f**K off" was used and the the "enjoy capital prem next year" comment was heard by most in the club. You are correct Reefside, nothing can and wouldnt be pursued about the pitch performance.
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i might have heard one side , but sounds like there was some poor behaviour by Stop Out supporters-especially towrds the referee.  Fair call?
On a better note I heard two different people say what a nice guy Regie is (for a goalkeeper)

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I agree Feverish. Not saying what the Stopout supporter was saying was in order. What the ref and the lines women said was also way out of line. Officials shouldn�t even entertain the idea of embarking with that type of discussion.

 

JC�s first move should have been towards a Stopout committee member and had them deal with it.

 

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So these were comments made from the officials to the players? or spectators?

At one stage the wairarapa united coach made a comment to a Stop out supporter who took exception to this and jumped the fence to have a go at him, only to have some of the WU supporters intervene.  I can understand the disapointment in not getting the result, but leave it on the feild. 

Also, it would have to be the first after match speech that have heard where thway team coach had to get things under way. 

On another note, i would like to withdraw the comments I made on saturday night regarding Regie.  It was just a bit of banter and was probably not needed.  Sorry Regie and I hope things go well enough next year for you guys to get back up to CL.

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Comments were made to spectators by the Ref
 
On the Phil incident. Phil made an inappropriate comment to me. The guy heard it and and went forward to talk to him about it. We took exception to me being told I had a comdon on my head. I was wearing a Stopout beanie.
 
On the after match speeches, we have a time that we start them off. Our club captain was just about to start them off when Phil started.
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What was the comment made to make Phil reply the way he did?
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Not sure, he was also having a go at Reg as well. Phil was feeding the crowd!
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Not sure, he was also having a go at Reg as well. Phil was feeding the crowd!
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I was standing directly behind Phil and heard no comments from him regarding your keeper, I certainly made a few comments regarding playing Capital Prem football next year among other things including your keeper,but i wasn't approached.  Maybe my comments were taken as his? 
 
It did get a bit testy there at stages including your subs telling one of our players who had been challenged hard and was lying on the ground to 'GET UP YOU F**KING HOMO'.  Probably angry because you guys were down by 5 at that stage.
 
I can understand the frustration but as your club captain said in his speech, you can't dwell on it, you have a big club and it is not based just on your first team.
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I'd back Reg as well Hard News.
 
Reg did take exception after the game while walking off as one of the WU fans was heard telling one of the StopOut guys to FO back home you BC. Reg approached the guys and had a few words.
 
Reg is a bloody nice guy too
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I agree.  Reg over Phil.  A bit of a shame to what was a great spectacle.  Never mind.  All over now.  Good luck next year. All the best.
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i've been trying to stay out of this, but things have blown up a little.

so can i just say that apart from what i have seen written here over the last couple of days, i was unaware of any abuse directed at me or any other stop out player during the game on saturday. in fact, from my POV, the games were played in good spirit. 
 
there was one minor incident in the first game where i felt that a supporter had over stepped the mark with a comment towards one of our players.  i told the chap that i thought it was uncalled for; he disagreed and we both left it at that.  there wasn't a confrontation. 
 
as for the result; of course we are gutted, but we were beaten by a good side who will do well in central league next year.  there are some class players on board and some good blokes too.

360footballnews.com

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Nice summary.  I agree.  All the best.
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Carl Shailer sprays his Wairarapa teammate Guiseppe Cugliari with champagne. Photo: Chris Kilford
Wairarapa United create history
29.09.2008
Gary Caffell

Wairarapa United made a mockery of pre-match expectations which hinted at a close contest when they hammered Stop Out 7-1 in the second leg of their central league promotion-relegation matches at Hutt Park, Petone on Saturday.

Scoring two goals in the first six minutes and seeing the Stop Out goalkeeper sent off in the process gave Wairarapa United a flying start and they never looked back.

Strikers Seule Soromon and Paul Gregory both scored hat-tricks and to make Stop Out's misery even worse they also had the mortification of conceding an own goal.

It was a result which meant Wairarapa United won the home and away series by a crushing 8-1 on goal aggregate and that their objective of achieving central league status set 14 long years ago when the club was first established had at last been realised.

 
  Coach Phil Keinzley admitted yesterday he was still coming to terms with the magnitude of Saturday's win.

He said even in the wildest of dreams no one could have foreseen a Stop Out side which actually played better than they had in the first of the promotion-relegation games at the Pugh Sports Bowl being demolished in such a manner.

"Deep down I thought that if we had a real cracker of a game we could possibly win by three but by six & absolutely no way," Keinzley said.

The pre-match message to the Wairarapa United players from their coach was that with them holding a one goal advantage on aggregate going into the game they would be up against a desperate opponent, and how they reacted to the pressure of the occasion would decide the result of the game.

"There was no room for excuses if we failed to pull this one off," Keinzley said. "Everybody had to get out of their comfort zones and produce something special."

Even Keinzley, however, couldn't have anticipated just how dominant Wairarapa United were right from the word go.

Vanuatu international Soromon Seule made two likely breaks in the first couple of minutes and Anton Ross starred in a third before the first goal was registered in quite remarkable circumstances.

Two Stop Out defenders tried to illegally halt the progress of Soromon as he made another lightning raid but he somehow shrugged off their attentions before being deliberately tripped by the goalkeeper who he had already evaded.

Little alternative was given the referee to not only award the penalty to Wairarapa United but to send the offending goalkeeper from the field, meaning Stop Out would have to play the rest of the game with just 10 men.

Some minutes then elapsed before Stop Out rearranged their side so their second string keeper could join the action and his first task was to face Soromon's penalty attempt. He never looked like making the save and Wairarapa United was 1-0 up.

From the kickoff Wairarapa United were in again. Stop Out was robbed off the ball and the visitors were quick to counter attack with Paul Gregory finding the net. Six minutes of actual play and amazingly, Wairarapa United were ahead 2-0.

The remainder of the first spell saw Wairarapa United continue to call the tune although a strong wind, which was at their backs, and a rough surface did make accurate passing a difficult art. However, they coped magnificently and after Sakeo Valevou had made a strong run down his flank and put in a good cross Gregory scored his second goal to make it 3-0 and then the ever dangerous Soromon added a fourth just before the break.

That the second half saw Wairarapa United place less emphasis on taking the game to Stop Out was a deliberate ploy on Keinzley's part. With four goals already in the bag he elected to have them take any risk factors out of their play and so Stop Out probably had a territorial advantage.

But whereas they only managed the one goal due to some outstanding defence by the likes of Andy Robertson, Waisake Sabutu, James Oxtoby and Cail Shailer, Wairarapa United still managed to increase their tally by three, one each to Gregory and Soromon with the other coming off a Stop Out defender.

Coach Keinzley was loathe to single out any players for special mention from what he described as a "brilliant all round effort".

"Honestly, it would be unfair to mention anybody in particular, they all did exactly what we wanted them to do," he said. "They (Stop Out) didn't play badly but we could have won by 10, that's how well we played. It was unbelievable really."

Keinzley also paid a tribute to the assistance given his side by a large crowd of vocal Wairarapa United supporters, possibly numbering as many as 200. "It was just like playing at home, they really got in behind us and the players loved it," he said, adding that his team had also received a number of "good luck" messages before the game started, including one from former Masterton Mayor Bob Francis and another from Scotsman Kevin Murray.

The latter held the record for the most goals scored in any one season by a Wairarapa United player, 25, until Soromon blitzed it this season. His hat-trick on Saturday took his tally for 2008 to 35

Soromon is one of seven Wairarapa United players who could play in the national summer league this season. He is the Wellington squad along with Pita Rabo, the inspirational skipper who missed Saturday's game through injury, Mierik Tvaroh and Carl Shailer while James Oxtoby and Waisake Sabutu are in the Hawke's Bay squad and goalkeeper Matt Borren in the Manawatu squad.

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seule soromon scores from the penalty spot after being fouled by the Stop Out keeper on Saturday. Photo: Chris Kilford
Council now in hot seat after United's promotion
30.09.2008
Gary Caffell

The Masterton District Council are in the hot seat now that Wairarapa United have earned the right to play in the 2009 Central League soccer competition.

Locating a local venue which has both the ground conditions and facilities necessary for this level of play is one of the immediate problems confronting Wairarapa United but coach Phil Keinzley is comforted by comments he said were made by Mayor of Masterton Garry Daniell some weeks ago.

"He (Daniell) said he personally would ensure the Pugh Sports Bowl would be brought up to scratch if we made it to Central League and hopefully he will deliver on that promise," Keinzley said.

 
  "It's an ideal venue for soccer, no one is arguing that."

While Wairarapa United played a number of their Capital premier division games at the Sports Bowl this season concern was often expressed at the roughness of the field with the cricket wicket block tending to cut up badly in bad weather.

Also a decision by the council to charge Wairarapa United for the public toilets there to be open on match days meant they were kept closed, much to the annoyance of spectators.

Keinzley said situations like that would not be tolerated by those responsible for the administration of Central League matches, which are second only to the NZ Football Championship in terms of importance on the domestic soccer scene in this country.

"The ground conditions have to be the best they can possibly be and toilets have to be handy and available, anything less wouldn't get a pass mark," he said. "Fortunately they are requirements which can be met at the Sports Bowl providing we have the council on our side."

Clubs from places as far afield as Taranaki, Hawke's Bay, Manawatu and Wellington will confront Wairarapa United in the Central League with Keinzley estimating that the costs for Wairarapa United to compete there will be $60,000 more than what it was for them to play in the Capital premier division this year.

"Finding that sort of money is a big ask but obviously we are depending a lot on the local business community getting behind us & the profile we can give them has to be a big help in that respect," he said.

Imperative too, according to Keinzley, will be the enhancing of the club's own administrative base with more volunteers needed to fulfil certain organisational tasks.

"I would think the majority of Central League clubs have paid staff to do this sort of work but obviously we don't have that luxury," he said. "And, quite honestly, I can't see that changing, not at all."

Keinzley is optimistic that the nil response so far received by Wairarapa United to advertisements appearing in recent weeks looking for coaches and managers for the club's numerous senior and age group sides next year isn't a bad omen for their debut season in the Central League.

"Soccer is on a roll here and hopefully enough people will come forward to fill all the vacancies," he said. "It's a very rewarding experience once you get involved."

On the playing front the good news is that the entire squad which served Wairarapa United with such distinction this season will be available again next year.

However, Keinzley believes that for them to be consistently competitive in the Central League, their playing resources will need to be boosted, probably by as many three players.

In the recent past most of their "imports" have come from the Pacific Island but while the likes of Pita Rabo, Sakeo Valevou, Waisake Sabutu and Seule Soromon have been roaring successes Keinzley says future acquisitions were likely to come from elsewhere.

"The Pacific Islanders we have give us enough flair and unorthodoxy, we can afford to look for more specific skills now," he said. "Maybe we can even find what we need amongst the local soccer community, they'll get their chance to put their hands up too."

Keinzley is mindful that come next season some of his current stars might miss Wairarapa United's first few Central League games because of national league obligations.

Seven of them are in the reckoning to participate in that competition when it gets underway in early November with the finals set down for next April, then same month in which the Central League will get under way.

"We need to get a squad together early so we have the depth to handle that sort of situation," he said. "It's great for us to have so many players being noticed nationally but, yes, it could create a problem too."

On that note Keinzley also revealed he was "working hard" to get Vanuatu international, Seule Soromon, a trial with the Wellington Phoenix after a season which has seen him score a record 35 goals for the club, and constantly entertain and thrill the veritable army of Wairarapa United supporters with his speed and inventiveness in the process.

"I know some people will say we should worry about ourselves first but my belief always has been that we should give our players every chance to reach the highest possible levels," Keinzley said. "He (Soromon) could be an A-League player, at least he deserves the opportunity to have a crack at making it."

Whether Keinzley himself will be at the coaching helm for the Wairarapa United Central League side next season is something which the man himself is still to decide.

Work commitments had reached the stage where he needed to spend more time there and juggling them and his soccer commitments, which this season amounted to about 20hrs per week, was becoming increasingly difficult.

"Right now I'm undecided but if someone else was keen to coach then they should certainly put their name forward," was the parting shot.

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"estimating that the costs for Wairarapa United to compete there will be $60,000 more than what it was for them to play in the Capital premier division this year."
 
Surely that can't be right
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2ndBest wrote:
"estimating that the costs for Wairarapa United to compete there will be $60,000 more than what it was for them to play in the Capital premier division this year."
 
Surely that can't be right


It isn't called the 'Big Travel League' in jest

It is also quite amusing to watch how player demands increase when they get promoted - Same players, high expectation of remuneration for an 'amateur' league.

As a non-executive Stop Out supporter, who hates to lose, relegation may have a lot of benefits for Stop Out.

  



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Yeah but he is saying that it will cost $60,000 more than what it cost them this year.
So lets assume that the 6 games they play in wellington will cost them the same as it did last year.  Then the 3 away trips to Palmy, taranaki and Napier plus thier remuneration to players over and above last year will cost them $60,000.
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that and an away trip to palmy is just as far as an away trip to wellington
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Wairarapa United had sponsorship to the value of $90,000, so if he needs another $60,000, wouldn't that make it $150,000?
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He's also dreaming if he thinks other clubs have paid staff. I read an article in the Wairarapa Times from the start of the season that mentions the $91K for travel for the 1st, 2nd and 4 junior teams. Other than petrol I'd say the bulk of the $91K went on the 1st team.
 
Absolutely amasing to think he needs $150k for the CL. You can't buy it!!
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2ndBest wrote:
Yeah but he is saying that it will cost $60,000 more than what it cost them this year.
So lets assume that the 6 games they play in wellington will cost them the same as it did last year.  Then the 3 away trips to Palmy, taranaki and Napier plus thier remuneration to players over and above last year will cost them $60,000.
 
HOW THEY WILL BE GETTING TO NEXT YEARS GAMES...
 

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Nice Feverish, nice
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and for those chatham cup games at karori park
 
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or this
 

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team bus
 
2ndBest2008-10-02 11:25:32
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thats so wrong, a great example of more $ than sense
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Maybe he needs another 60K to pay immigration to bring some more players over? I/m sure Winston Peters won't have any problem with that sort of donation!!
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From the Wairarapa News 1 October, and I quote   " Keinzley says a majority of Central League players make a living out of it" also every club has a FULL TIME paid coach and a FULL TIME paid Admin person, and that Stop Out had $2 Million spent on THERE Home Venue and FACILITIES, Oh and I nearly forget, he is ringing the Phoenix to get Soromon a trial.....
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Does he fink dat we is idiots?
 
Good on them for showing some ambition though, I may not like them but I like they way they have gone about it, a long term goal achieved through committed players and a squad built up over time.  Of course the islanders have been central to their success but they have brought them out with this level in mind and they have done really well, while using some home grown players as well.  They'll give the league a good shake probably...
 
Who funds the club?

Normo's coming home

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The local Hutt City Council and Pelorus Trust spent $2M on the area. That also paid for the Sports House next door.
 
Just the same way as the Outdoor Pool at Karori Park was funded.
 
What clubs have full time coaches and a full time admin person????
 
I'd also like to know where they get their funding from.
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Exactly, it'sd not as if Stop Out have thrown $2m at their ground, it's a community asset paid for by the community! Just as in an earlier artile he said he was asking the local council to look at improving the sports bowl or whatever it is called
 
Lower Hutt may have some full time coaches, Wests do although part of that is coaching at Ole as well so it's a little blurred, can't thinkof anyone else who is full time.  Full time admin is just a yarn
 
Looking forward to keinzley's loud mouth in Central League though...
james dean2008-10-03 23:28:10

Normo's coming home

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