Chatham Cup 2021

Preliminary Round draw games to take place on Anzac weekend

only 1 in Wellington - Naenae v Marist
although Greytown v Douglas Villa is technically Wellington (well Capital Football)
Big game in Auckland where Celtic fans club Bohemian Celtic take on West Auckland, which is home of the Kiwi True Blues Rangers fan club

CHATHAM CUP

Otahuhu United v Huntly Thistle

Matamata Swifts v HNK Croatia

AFC Bohemian Celtic v West Auckland 

Te Atatu v University of Auckland

Lynn Avon v West Hamilton United

Puhoi v Whangarei

Kwrikwri v Ranui Swanson

Otrohanga v Whakatane Town

Ngongotaha v Taupo

Otumotei v Papamoa

Northern United v Waikato Unicol

Gisborne Thistle v Havelock North Wanderers

FC Western v Whanganui Athletic

Naenae v Marist

Greytown v Douglas Villa

FC Nelson v Tahuna

Rangers v Mapua Rangers

Mid Canterbury United v Western 

St Albans Shirley v Parklands United

FC Twenty11 v Universities

Western End v Northern Hearts

Thistle v Gore Wanderers

Geraldine v Old Boys

 

"Celtic fans club Bohemian Celtic"

Ha ha, what? Bohs are an Irish-community based team, nothing to do with organised Glasgow fandom (though I assume there is some overlap).

Doloras

"Celtic fans club Bohemian Celtic"

Ha ha, what? Bohs are an Irish-community based team, nothing to do with organised Glasgow fandom (though I assume there is some overlap).

So you're saying their not Celtic fans (despite naming their club after them!)
It's the same as West Auckland isn't actually anything to do with organised Glasgow fandom even though the Kiwi True Blues (an organised Glasgow fandom example) are based there
It's still going to be Celtic v Rangers whatever the semantics

The JourneyFan

Doloras

"Celtic fans club Bohemian Celtic"

Ha ha, what? Bohs are an Irish-community based team, nothing to do with organised Glasgow fandom (though I assume there is some overlap).

So you're saying their not Celtic fans (despite naming their club after them!)
It's the same as West Auckland isn't actually anything to do with organised Glasgow fandom even though the Kiwi True Blues (an organised Glasgow fandom example) are based there
It's still going to be Celtic v Rangers whatever the semantics

.... what? "Celtic" is an ethnic term describing Irish people (among many others). Have you honestly never heard it used to describe anything but the Glasgow football team?

The JourneyFan

Preliminary Round draw games to take place on Anzac weekend

only 1 in Wellington - Naenae v Marist
although Greytown v Douglas Villa is technically Wellington (well Capital Football)
Big game in Auckland where Celtic fans club Bohemian Celtic take on West Auckland, which is home of the Kiwi True Blues Rangers fan club

CHATHAM CUP

Otahuhu United v Huntly Thistle

Matamata Swifts v HNK Croatia

AFC Bohemian Celtic v West Auckland 

Te Atatu v University of Auckland

Lynn Avon v West Hamilton United

Puhoi v Whangarei

Kwrikwri v Ranui Swanson

Otrohanga v Whakatane Town

Ngongotaha v Taupo

Otumotei v Papamoa

Northern United v Waikato Unicol

Gisborne Thistle v Havelock North Wanderers

FC Western v Whanganui Athletic

Naenae v Marist

Greytown v Douglas Villa

FC Nelson v Tahuna

Rangers v Mapua Rangers

Mid Canterbury United v Western 

St Albans Shirley v Parklands United

FC Twenty11 v Universities

Western End v Northern Hearts

Thistle v Gore Wanderers

Geraldine v Old Boys

 

Yeah the southern games look kinda crappy, none in Dunedin yet, honestly surprised that Grants Braes didn't get shoved in there but what do I know, will have to wait till the first round proper to get any here. 

Doloras

The JourneyFan

Doloras

"Celtic fans club Bohemian Celtic"

Ha ha, what? Bohs are an Irish-community based team, nothing to do with organised Glasgow fandom (though I assume there is some overlap).

So you're saying their not Celtic fans (despite naming their club after them!)
It's the same as West Auckland isn't actually anything to do with organised Glasgow fandom even though the Kiwi True Blues (an organised Glasgow fandom example) are based there
It's still going to be Celtic v Rangers whatever the semantics

.... what? "Celtic" is an ethnic term describing Irish people (among many others). Have you honestly never heard it used to describe anything but the Glasgow football team?

I can just see it lets create a football club - hey we'll call it Celtic because we're Irish, nothing at all to do with the football team in Scotland (formed by the Irish)

But what would I know I'm just one of the "many others" ie I am a Celt and definitely not Irish!

The JourneyFan

Doloras

"Celtic fans club Bohemian Celtic"

Ha ha, what? Bohs are an Irish-community based team, nothing to do with organised Glasgow fandom (though I assume there is some overlap).

So you're saying their not Celtic fans (despite naming their club after them!)
It's the same as West Auckland isn't actually anything to do with organised Glasgow fandom even though the Kiwi True Blues (an organised Glasgow fandom example) are based there
It's still going to be Celtic v Rangers whatever the semantics

For what it's worth there are a few Celtic rugby, netball & cricket clubs in NZ. Timaru & Ashburton spring to mind. Timaru Celtic with links I understand to the local Catholic HS - Roncalli. I imagine most of their members have never heard of Parkhead or Ibrox.

But yeah most NZ rugby clubs with Catholic links are a Marist or derivative.

I believe one of the predecessor clubs of Western Springs was Grey Lynn Celtic FC, but I think that was a reference to the Glasgow club, given the strip which WS still wears.

The name of Bohs is actually much more a reference to these guys

Well its being billed as Celtic v Rangers in the Scottish press

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-face-celtic-chatham-cup-23918018

Chatham Cup Results - Mainland

FC Twenty11 4 (Martin Lopez 2, Harrison Bowman Conor Clarke, Universities 1  (Tyler Pride) HT 2 - 0

St Albans Shirley 2 (Finn Gaupset, Daniel Ribiero) Parklands 4 (John Stack 2, Marcus Livingstone, Michael Norris)  AET HT 1 - 0 FT 2 - 2

Chatham Cup Result - Mainland
Mid Canterbury 2 (Luke Martin 2) Western 3 (Arian Asghari 2, Rodrigo Balcazar) aet HT 1 - 0 FT 1 - 1 

Who knows when the draw is made for Round 1?

lsmith1001

Who knows when the draw is made for Round 1?

Tomorrow.

Chatham Cup Round 1

15/16 May

East Coast Bays v Hibiscus Coast

West Hamilton United v Matamata Swifts

Royal NZ Navy v FC Whangarei

Ngongotaha v Tauranga City

Franklin United v Te Atatua

Greenhithe v Ellerslie

Otahuhu United v Cambridge

Onehunga Mangere United v Takapuna

Ngaruawhaia United v Beachlands Maretai

West Auckland v Papatoetoe

Fencibles United v Claudelands Rovers

Otorohunga v Manurewa

Waiheke United v Oratia United

Rainui Swanson v Bucklands Beach

Papakura v Otumoetai

Waikato Unicol v Uni-Mount Bohemian Celtic

Havelock North Wanderers v Palmerston North Marist

FC Western v Napier City Rovers

Island Bay United v Petone

Wellington United v Stokes Valley

BNU v Waterside Karori

Kapiti Coast United v Waikanae

Victoria University v Upper Hutt City

Marist v Stop Out

Tawa v Douglas Villa

North Wellington v Seatoun

FC Nelson v Rangers

Freeymead Bays v Nomads United

Parklands United v Cashmere Technical

Waimakariri v Coastal Spirit

Halswell United v Selwyn United

Western v Burwood

FC Twenty11 v Christchurch United

Timaru Thistle v Green Island

Gearldine v Queenstown

Roslyn Wakari v South City Royals

Mosgiel v West End

Wanaka v Queens Park

Gore Wanderers v Grants Braes  

BYES

Auckland City, Auckland United, Bay Olympic, Eastern Suburbs, Manukau United, Western Springs, Birkenhead United, North Shore United, Northern Rovers, West Coast Rangers, Hamilton Wanderers, Melville United, Albany United, Waitemata, Metro, Mt Albert-Ponsonby, Lower Hutt City, Miramar Rangers, Wainuiomata, Wairarapa United, Wellington Olympic, Western Suburbs, Nelson Suburbs, Northern, Otago University

The JourneyFan

Chatham Cup Round 1

15/16 May

East Coast Bays v Hibiscus Coast

West Hamilton United v Matamata Swifts

Royal NZ Navy v FC Whangarei

Ngongotaha v Tauranga City

Franklin United v Te Atatua

Greenhithe v Ellerslie

Otahuhu United v Cambridge

Onehunga Mangere United v Takapuna

Ngaruawhaia United v Beachlands Maretai

West Auckland v Papatoetoe

Fencibles United v Claudelands Rovers

Otorohunga v Manurewa

Waiheke United v Oratia United

Rainui Swanson v Bucklands Beach

Papakura v Otumoetai

Waikato Unicol v Uni-Mount Bohemian Celtic

Havelock North Wanderers v Palmerston North Marist

FC Western v Napier City Rovers

Island Bay United v Petone

Wellington United v Stokes Valley

BNU v Waterside Karori

Kapiti Coast United v Waikanae

Victoria University v Upper Hutt City

Marist v Stop Out

Tawa v Douglas Villa

North Wellington v Seatoun

FC Nelson v Rangers

Freeymead Bays v Nomads United

Parklands United v Cashmere Technical

Waimakariri v Coastal Spirit

Halswell United v Selwyn United

Western v Burwood

FC Twenty11 v Christchurch United

Timaru Thistle v Green Island

Gearldine v Queenstown

Roslyn Wakari v South City Royals

Mosgiel v West End

Wanaka v Queens Park

Gore Wanderers v Grants Braes  

BYES

Auckland City, Auckland United, Bay Olympic, Eastern Suburbs, Manukau United, Western Springs, Birkenhead United, North Shore United, Northern Rovers, West Coast Rangers, Hamilton Wanderers, Melville United, Albany United, Waitemata, Metro, Mt Albert-Ponsonby, Lower Hutt City, Miramar Rangers, Wainuiomata, Wairarapa United, Wellington Olympic, Western Suburbs, Nelson Suburbs, Northern, Otago University

I would be curious to see the logic for the North part of the draw that sees 4 NRF1 sides get byes.   Instead of 11 preliminary round games in the North, they could've had 7 preliminary games, leaving only the 12 NRFP teams to have a bye to the second round.  

A similar thing happened in the womens side as well on the northern half.  2 non-NRFL sides have byes when they could have played 2 less preliminary games and just left the 6 NRFL sides having byes to the next round

reubee

The JourneyFan

Chatham Cup Round 1

15/16 May

East Coast Bays v Hibiscus Coast

West Hamilton United v Matamata Swifts

Royal NZ Navy v FC Whangarei

Ngongotaha v Tauranga City

Franklin United v Te Atatua

Greenhithe v Ellerslie

Otahuhu United v Cambridge

Onehunga Mangere United v Takapuna

Ngaruawhaia United v Beachlands Maretai

West Auckland v Papatoetoe

Fencibles United v Claudelands Rovers

Otorohunga v Manurewa

Waiheke United v Oratia United

Rainui Swanson v Bucklands Beach

Papakura v Otumoetai

Waikato Unicol v Uni-Mount Bohemian Celtic

Havelock North Wanderers v Palmerston North Marist

FC Western v Napier City Rovers

Island Bay United v Petone

Wellington United v Stokes Valley

BNU v Waterside Karori

Kapiti Coast United v Waikanae

Victoria University v Upper Hutt City

Marist v Stop Out

Tawa v Douglas Villa

North Wellington v Seatoun

FC Nelson v Rangers

Freeymead Bays v Nomads United

Parklands United v Cashmere Technical

Waimakariri v Coastal Spirit

Halswell United v Selwyn United

Western v Burwood

FC Twenty11 v Christchurch United

Timaru Thistle v Green Island

Gearldine v Queenstown

Roslyn Wakari v South City Royals

Mosgiel v West End

Wanaka v Queens Park

Gore Wanderers v Grants Braes  

BYES

Auckland City, Auckland United, Bay Olympic, Eastern Suburbs, Manukau United, Western Springs, Birkenhead United, North Shore United, Northern Rovers, West Coast Rangers, Hamilton Wanderers, Melville United, Albany United, Waitemata, Metro, Mt Albert-Ponsonby, Lower Hutt City, Miramar Rangers, Wainuiomata, Wairarapa United, Wellington Olympic, Western Suburbs, Nelson Suburbs, Northern, Otago University

I would be curious to see the logic for the North part of the draw that sees 4 NRF1 sides get byes.   Instead of 11 preliminary round games in the North, they could've had 7 preliminary games, leaving only the 12 NRFP teams to have a bye to the second round.  

A similar thing happened in the womens side as well on the northern half.  2 non-NRFL sides have byes when they could have played 2 less preliminary games and just left the 6 NRFL sides having byes to the next round

reubee

The JourneyFan

Chatham Cup Round 1

15/16 May

East Coast Bays v Hibiscus Coast

West Hamilton United v Matamata Swifts

Royal NZ Navy v FC Whangarei

Ngongotaha v Tauranga City

Franklin United v Te Atatua

Greenhithe v Ellerslie

Otahuhu United v Cambridge

Onehunga Mangere United v Takapuna

Ngaruawhaia United v Beachlands Maretai

West Auckland v Papatoetoe

Fencibles United v Claudelands Rovers

Otorohunga v Manurewa

Waiheke United v Oratia United

Rainui Swanson v Bucklands Beach

Papakura v Otumoetai

Waikato Unicol v Uni-Mount Bohemian Celtic

Havelock North Wanderers v Palmerston North Marist

FC Western v Napier City Rovers

Island Bay United v Petone

Wellington United v Stokes Valley

BNU v Waterside Karori

Kapiti Coast United v Waikanae

Victoria University v Upper Hutt City

Marist v Stop Out

Tawa v Douglas Villa

North Wellington v Seatoun

FC Nelson v Rangers

Freeymead Bays v Nomads United

Parklands United v Cashmere Technical

Waimakariri v Coastal Spirit

Halswell United v Selwyn United

Western v Burwood

FC Twenty11 v Christchurch United

Timaru Thistle v Green Island

Gearldine v Queenstown

Roslyn Wakari v South City Royals

Mosgiel v West End

Wanaka v Queens Park

Gore Wanderers v Grants Braes  

BYES

Auckland City, Auckland United, Bay Olympic, Eastern Suburbs, Manukau United, Western Springs, Birkenhead United, North Shore United, Northern Rovers, West Coast Rangers, Hamilton Wanderers, Melville United, Albany United, Waitemata, Metro, Mt Albert-Ponsonby, Lower Hutt City, Miramar Rangers, Wainuiomata, Wairarapa United, Wellington Olympic, Western Suburbs, Nelson Suburbs, Northern, Otago University

I would be curious to see the logic for the North part of the draw that sees 4 NRF1 sides get byes.   Instead of 11 preliminary round games in the North, they could've had 7 preliminary games, leaving only the 12 NRFP teams to have a bye to the second round.  

A similar thing happened in the womens side as well on the northern half.  2 non-NRFL sides have byes when they could have played 2 less preliminary games and just left the 6 NRFL sides having byes to the next round

I shall query this – I'm not going to go through the effort of figuring out if it is this, but the one explanation I can think of would be wanting to avoid matches between teams from what used to be Northern Football and teams from WaiBop in the preliminary round and round one, even if it means handing out random byes.

I do wish NZ Football would just explain all the various quirks and restrictions ahead of time.

andrewvoerman

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The JourneyFan

Chatham Cup Round 1

15/16 May

East Coast Bays v Hibiscus Coast

West Hamilton United v Matamata Swifts

Royal NZ Navy v FC Whangarei

Ngongotaha v Tauranga City

Franklin United v Te Atatua

Greenhithe v Ellerslie

Otahuhu United v Cambridge

Onehunga Mangere United v Takapuna

Ngaruawhaia United v Beachlands Maretai

West Auckland v Papatoetoe

Fencibles United v Claudelands Rovers

Otorohunga v Manurewa

Waiheke United v Oratia United

Rainui Swanson v Bucklands Beach

Papakura v Otumoetai

Waikato Unicol v Uni-Mount Bohemian Celtic

Havelock North Wanderers v Palmerston North Marist

FC Western v Napier City Rovers

Island Bay United v Petone

Wellington United v Stokes Valley

BNU v Waterside Karori

Kapiti Coast United v Waikanae

Victoria University v Upper Hutt City

Marist v Stop Out

Tawa v Douglas Villa

North Wellington v Seatoun

FC Nelson v Rangers

Freeymead Bays v Nomads United

Parklands United v Cashmere Technical

Waimakariri v Coastal Spirit

Halswell United v Selwyn United

Western v Burwood

FC Twenty11 v Christchurch United

Timaru Thistle v Green Island

Gearldine v Queenstown

Roslyn Wakari v South City Royals

Mosgiel v West End

Wanaka v Queens Park

Gore Wanderers v Grants Braes  

BYES

Auckland City, Auckland United, Bay Olympic, Eastern Suburbs, Manukau United, Western Springs, Birkenhead United, North Shore United, Northern Rovers, West Coast Rangers, Hamilton Wanderers, Melville United, Albany United, Waitemata, Metro, Mt Albert-Ponsonby, Lower Hutt City, Miramar Rangers, Wainuiomata, Wairarapa United, Wellington Olympic, Western Suburbs, Nelson Suburbs, Northern, Otago University

I would be curious to see the logic for the North part of the draw that sees 4 NRF1 sides get byes.   Instead of 11 preliminary round games in the North, they could've had 7 preliminary games, leaving only the 12 NRFP teams to have a bye to the second round.  

A similar thing happened in the womens side as well on the northern half.  2 non-NRFL sides have byes when they could have played 2 less preliminary games and just left the 6 NRFL sides having byes to the next round

reubee

The JourneyFan

Chatham Cup Round 1

15/16 May

East Coast Bays v Hibiscus Coast

West Hamilton United v Matamata Swifts

Royal NZ Navy v FC Whangarei

Ngongotaha v Tauranga City

Franklin United v Te Atatua

Greenhithe v Ellerslie

Otahuhu United v Cambridge

Onehunga Mangere United v Takapuna

Ngaruawhaia United v Beachlands Maretai

West Auckland v Papatoetoe

Fencibles United v Claudelands Rovers

Otorohunga v Manurewa

Waiheke United v Oratia United

Rainui Swanson v Bucklands Beach

Papakura v Otumoetai

Waikato Unicol v Uni-Mount Bohemian Celtic

Havelock North Wanderers v Palmerston North Marist

FC Western v Napier City Rovers

Island Bay United v Petone

Wellington United v Stokes Valley

BNU v Waterside Karori

Kapiti Coast United v Waikanae

Victoria University v Upper Hutt City

Marist v Stop Out

Tawa v Douglas Villa

North Wellington v Seatoun

FC Nelson v Rangers

Freeymead Bays v Nomads United

Parklands United v Cashmere Technical

Waimakariri v Coastal Spirit

Halswell United v Selwyn United

Western v Burwood

FC Twenty11 v Christchurch United

Timaru Thistle v Green Island

Gearldine v Queenstown

Roslyn Wakari v South City Royals

Mosgiel v West End

Wanaka v Queens Park

Gore Wanderers v Grants Braes  

BYES

Auckland City, Auckland United, Bay Olympic, Eastern Suburbs, Manukau United, Western Springs, Birkenhead United, North Shore United, Northern Rovers, West Coast Rangers, Hamilton Wanderers, Melville United, Albany United, Waitemata, Metro, Mt Albert-Ponsonby, Lower Hutt City, Miramar Rangers, Wainuiomata, Wairarapa United, Wellington Olympic, Western Suburbs, Nelson Suburbs, Northern, Otago University

I would be curious to see the logic for the North part of the draw that sees 4 NRF1 sides get byes.   Instead of 11 preliminary round games in the North, they could've had 7 preliminary games, leaving only the 12 NRFP teams to have a bye to the second round.  

A similar thing happened in the womens side as well on the northern half.  2 non-NRFL sides have byes when they could have played 2 less preliminary games and just left the 6 NRFL sides having byes to the next round

I shall query this – I'm not going to go through the effort of figuring out if it is this, but the one explanation I can think of would be wanting to avoid matches between teams from what used to be Northern Football and teams from WaiBop in the preliminary round and round one, even if it means handing out random byes.

I do wish NZ Football would just explain all the various quirks and restrictions ahead of time.

I don't think it was for avoiding inter-federation games in the North half as there are NFF v AFF and AFF v WaiBOP fixtures, although interestingly no NFF v WaiBOP fixtures.

In 2019, NZ football put out a little graphic that showed the path and merge points (google search revealed https://www.cambridgefootball.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/chatham-cup-2019-lo-res.jpg) but did not indicate how byes were determined.  Looking at 2019 in the North only the 12 NRFL Premier sides got the bye.

It should be 
Round 2 = 12 NRFL Premier + 20 Winners from Round 1
Round 1 = 24 NRFL Div 1/2 + 16 Winners from Preliminary Rounds
Preliminary  = whatever necessary to whittle the additional entries down to 16

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andrewvoerman

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The JourneyFan

Chatham Cup Round 1

15/16 May

East Coast Bays v Hibiscus Coast

West Hamilton United v Matamata Swifts

Royal NZ Navy v FC Whangarei

Ngongotaha v Tauranga City

Franklin United v Te Atatua

Greenhithe v Ellerslie

Otahuhu United v Cambridge

Onehunga Mangere United v Takapuna

Ngaruawhaia United v Beachlands Maretai

West Auckland v Papatoetoe

Fencibles United v Claudelands Rovers

Otorohunga v Manurewa

Waiheke United v Oratia United

Rainui Swanson v Bucklands Beach

Papakura v Otumoetai

Waikato Unicol v Uni-Mount Bohemian Celtic

Havelock North Wanderers v Palmerston North Marist

FC Western v Napier City Rovers

Island Bay United v Petone

Wellington United v Stokes Valley

BNU v Waterside Karori

Kapiti Coast United v Waikanae

Victoria University v Upper Hutt City

Marist v Stop Out

Tawa v Douglas Villa

North Wellington v Seatoun

FC Nelson v Rangers

Freeymead Bays v Nomads United

Parklands United v Cashmere Technical

Waimakariri v Coastal Spirit

Halswell United v Selwyn United

Western v Burwood

FC Twenty11 v Christchurch United

Timaru Thistle v Green Island

Gearldine v Queenstown

Roslyn Wakari v South City Royals

Mosgiel v West End

Wanaka v Queens Park

Gore Wanderers v Grants Braes  

BYES

Auckland City, Auckland United, Bay Olympic, Eastern Suburbs, Manukau United, Western Springs, Birkenhead United, North Shore United, Northern Rovers, West Coast Rangers, Hamilton Wanderers, Melville United, Albany United, Waitemata, Metro, Mt Albert-Ponsonby, Lower Hutt City, Miramar Rangers, Wainuiomata, Wairarapa United, Wellington Olympic, Western Suburbs, Nelson Suburbs, Northern, Otago University

I would be curious to see the logic for the North part of the draw that sees 4 NRF1 sides get byes.   Instead of 11 preliminary round games in the North, they could've had 7 preliminary games, leaving only the 12 NRFP teams to have a bye to the second round.  

A similar thing happened in the womens side as well on the northern half.  2 non-NRFL sides have byes when they could have played 2 less preliminary games and just left the 6 NRFL sides having byes to the next round

reubee

The JourneyFan

Chatham Cup Round 1

15/16 May

East Coast Bays v Hibiscus Coast

West Hamilton United v Matamata Swifts

Royal NZ Navy v FC Whangarei

Ngongotaha v Tauranga City

Franklin United v Te Atatua

Greenhithe v Ellerslie

Otahuhu United v Cambridge

Onehunga Mangere United v Takapuna

Ngaruawhaia United v Beachlands Maretai

West Auckland v Papatoetoe

Fencibles United v Claudelands Rovers

Otorohunga v Manurewa

Waiheke United v Oratia United

Rainui Swanson v Bucklands Beach

Papakura v Otumoetai

Waikato Unicol v Uni-Mount Bohemian Celtic

Havelock North Wanderers v Palmerston North Marist

FC Western v Napier City Rovers

Island Bay United v Petone

Wellington United v Stokes Valley

BNU v Waterside Karori

Kapiti Coast United v Waikanae

Victoria University v Upper Hutt City

Marist v Stop Out

Tawa v Douglas Villa

North Wellington v Seatoun

FC Nelson v Rangers

Freeymead Bays v Nomads United

Parklands United v Cashmere Technical

Waimakariri v Coastal Spirit

Halswell United v Selwyn United

Western v Burwood

FC Twenty11 v Christchurch United

Timaru Thistle v Green Island

Gearldine v Queenstown

Roslyn Wakari v South City Royals

Mosgiel v West End

Wanaka v Queens Park

Gore Wanderers v Grants Braes  

BYES

Auckland City, Auckland United, Bay Olympic, Eastern Suburbs, Manukau United, Western Springs, Birkenhead United, North Shore United, Northern Rovers, West Coast Rangers, Hamilton Wanderers, Melville United, Albany United, Waitemata, Metro, Mt Albert-Ponsonby, Lower Hutt City, Miramar Rangers, Wainuiomata, Wairarapa United, Wellington Olympic, Western Suburbs, Nelson Suburbs, Northern, Otago University

I would be curious to see the logic for the North part of the draw that sees 4 NRF1 sides get byes.   Instead of 11 preliminary round games in the North, they could've had 7 preliminary games, leaving only the 12 NRFP teams to have a bye to the second round.  

A similar thing happened in the womens side as well on the northern half.  2 non-NRFL sides have byes when they could have played 2 less preliminary games and just left the 6 NRFL sides having byes to the next round

I shall query this – I'm not going to go through the effort of figuring out if it is this, but the one explanation I can think of would be wanting to avoid matches between teams from what used to be Northern Football and teams from WaiBop in the preliminary round and round one, even if it means handing out random byes.

I do wish NZ Football would just explain all the various quirks and restrictions ahead of time.

I don't think it was for avoiding inter-federation games in the North half as there are NFF v AFF and AFF v WaiBOP fixtures, although interestingly no NFF v WaiBOP fixtures.

In 2019, NZ football put out a little graphic that showed the path and merge points (google search revealed https://www.cambridgefootball.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/chatham-cup-2019-lo-res.jpg) but did not indicate how byes were determined.  Looking at 2019 in the North only the 12 NRFL Premier sides got the bye.

It should be 
Round 2 = 12 NRFL Premier + 20 Winners from Round 1
Round 1 = 24 NRFL Div 1/2 + 16 Winners from Preliminary Rounds
Preliminary  = whatever necessary to whittle the additional entries down to 16

NFF v WaiBop fixtures are what they would have been trying to avoid though.

So Chatham Cup this weekend so here's some stats and wild guesses

Kapiti Coast United v Waikanae
KO 2pm @ Weka Park
Capital 1 (8th) v Capital 2 (4th)
Teams never met before in Chatham Cup
PICK Waikanae for the upset in the Kapiti derby

Tawa v Douglas Villa
KO 2pm @ Redwood Park
Cap Prem (8th) v Cap 3 (2nd)
Previous CC games
2009 Tawa 4 Douglas Villa 1
PICK Tawa to win easily

North Wellington v Seatoun
KO 2pm @ Alex Moore
Central League (8th) v Capital 1 (4th)
Previous CC games
1994 North Wellington 2 Seatoun 0
2000 North Wellington 2 Seatoun 0
2016 North Wellington 7 Seatoun 0
PICK North Wellington - they are a better team than their 8th position suggests

Wellington United v Stokes Valley
KO 2pm @ Newtown Park
Cap Prem (2nd) v Cap 1 (5th)
Previous CC games
1975 WDU 5 Stokes Valley 0
1977 WDU 2 Stokes Valley 0 - this was a default, the original game a Delany was called off because the lines were brown not white! Stokes Valley didn't want the rearranged game at the Basin and WDU didn't want to play at Delany the next Saturday as they had a National League game the next day
PICK Wellington United

BNU v Waterside Karori
KO 2:30pm @ Wakefield
Cap 1 (6th) v Central League (7th)
Previous CC games
2012 BNU 1 Waterside Karori 4
2014 BNU 1 Waterside Karori 7
PICK Waterside Karori will be to strong for BNU

Island Bay United v Petone
KO 2:30pm @ Wakefield
Cap Prem (7th) v Central League (9th)
Previous CC games
1983 IBU 4 Petone 1
1988 IBU 1 Petone 2
1996 IBU 1 Petone 2
2004 IBU 2 Petone 0
PICK Island Bay United are good at cup upsets and I reckon they'll do this (sorry Bes)

Victoria University v Upper Hutt City
KO 3pm @Boyd Wilson
Cap 1 (3rd) v Cap Prem (5th)
Previous CC games
1970 Vic Uni 2 UHC 4
1980 Vic Uni 0 UHC 2
1994 Vic Uni 3 UHC 1
2010 Vic Uni 0 UHC 3
2011 Vic Uni 2 UHC 7
PICK : close game will go to extra time but Upper Hutt will win

Marist v Stop Out
SUNDAY KO 2pm @Kilbirnie Park
Cap 2 (1st) v Cap Prem (4th)
Previous CC Games
1945 Marist 5 Stop Out 0
1946 Marist 2 Stop Out 1
1958 Marist 1 Stop Out 3
PICK : Two previous winners of the Chatham Cup (although the most recent was Stop Out in 1956!) Marist are unbeaten so far but Stop Out will prove too good

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Does anyone know the youngest player to play in a Chatham Cup match ? 

College teams (Wellington Coll/Grammer/Mags etc) use to enter so probably 13 or 14 if the player was good enough to make 1st XI in early years

Ross Mcphie played when he was 14 for Nelson Suburbs. 

Mainland Fed Results
ISPS Handa Chatham Cup - Round 1

FC Twenty11 0 Christchurch United 2 (James McClay, Oliver Colloty) HT 0 - 0

Ferrymead Bays 3 (Chris Murphy, Zac Gordon, James Deehan - pen) Nomads 1 (Petram Hassaniah) HT 2 - 1

Halswell  2 (Cameron Rean, Ryan Ballamy) Selwyn 3 (Ollie Sims, McKenzie Caughey, Dan Ede) HT 2 - 1

Parklands 0 Cashmere Technical 8 (Garbhan Coughlan 6, Jacob Richards, Yuya Taguchi) HT 0 - 3

Waimak 0 Coastal Spirit 3 (Treye Butler, Mika Rabuka, Tristan Nicol)  HT 0 - 0

Western 0 Burwood 1 (Hugo Toye) after extra time

Bye: Nelson Suburbs

Today's Chatham Cup Result - Mainland Fed
ISPS Handa Chatham Cup - Round 1
FC Nelson 1 (Mark Johnston) Blenheim Rangers 2 (Jono Masters, Adam Rose) after extra time 

Jeez expected better from FC Nelson. Suburbs should bury Rangers anyway.

Any idea on when the Round 2 draw is?

lsmith1001

Jeez expected better from FC Nelson. Suburbs should bury Rangers anyway.

Any idea on when the Round 2 draw is?

Tuesday lunchtime

Chatham Cup Round 2

all games Queens Birthday weekend

Franklin United v Birkenhead United

Auckland United v Cambridge

Onehunga Mangere United v Mt Albert Ponsonby

West Hamilton United v Northern Rovers

Waikato Unicol v Manurewa

Melville United v Waitemata

Hamilton Wanderers v East Coast Bays

Auckland City v Ellerslie

Waiheke United v FC Whangarei

Bay Olympic v Western Springs

Albany United v Eastern Suburbs

Papakura City v Metro

West Auckland v Tauranga City

Claudelands Rovers v Manukau United

North Shore United v Ranui Swanson

Ngaruwahia United v West Coast Rangers

Wellington United v Wellington Olympic

Miramar Rangers v Havelock North Wanderers

Stop Out v Kapiti Coast United

North Wellington v Wainuiomata

Tawa v Waterside Karori

Lower Hutt City v Island Bay United

Wairarapa United v Napier City Rovers

Western Suburbs v Upper Hutt City

Rangers v Nelson Suburbs

Coastal Spirit v Burwood

Ferrymead Bays v Christchurch United

Cashmere Technical v Selwyn United

Wanaka v Gore Wanderers

Northern v Green Island

South City Royals v Mosgiel

Queenstown v Otago University

Pretty uninspiring games in Central. 
Wairarapa v Napier the only truly tasty-looking one.

Yeah unfortunately a lot of these around the country still look pretty straightforward at this stage. Most Northern League and Central League teams with pretty easy fixtures.

Of note in the South actually should be Queenstown v Uni... Uni have struggled a tad of late, and they had a very close game in Queenstown a few weeks ago. Certainly not the draw they'll have been hoping for. 

lsmith1001

Yeah unfortunately a lot of these around the country still look pretty straightforward at this stage. Most Northern League and Central League teams with pretty easy fixtures.

Of note in the South actually should be Queenstown v Uni... Uni have struggled a tad of late, and they had a very close game in Queenstown a few weeks ago. Certainly not the draw they'll have been hoping for. 

Bay Olympic vs Western Springs will be pretty good, two mid-table Premier teams

Onehunga-Mangere (runaway leaders in div 2) vs. MAP (mid-table div 1) will also be fun, but maybe that's just my family connections to MAP talking

What Miramar Rangers at home. NZF has gone mad!

Today's Mainland Federation Chatham Cup Results

Blenheim Rangers 1 (Tore Waechter) Nelson Suburbs 2 (Alex Ridsdale, Will Tucker) HT 0 - 1

Cashmere Technical 4 (Lyle Matthysen, Fraser Angus, Kian Donkers, Yuya Taguchi) Selwyn 0 HT 2 - 0

Coastal Spirit 8 (Michael Hogan 4, Liam Cotter 3, Michael Hogan, Mark Zimmerman) Burwood) HT 1 - 0

Ferrymead Bays 0 Christchurch United 3 (Max Chretien, James McClay, Eddie Wilkinson) HT 0 - 1 .  

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Bahaha idiots

lsmith1001

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Hmm, I can’t help but thinking whether this kind of stuff would have happened at Forrest Hill, hindsight is 20/20 and so forth.

The trouble came from playing Yousif Al-Khalisy, who they just signed from Auckland City on Friday 29th May, and had him registered for their match the next day against North Shore, in which he was substituted on in the first half as an injury replacement. That result went off without issue, so they obviously didn’t think this game would be any different. 

Through a lack of due diligence or just carelessness, they didn’t check the registration rules for the Chatham Cup which apparently state a player must have been registered for 10 working days to be eligible. Yousif started, and because it was only 6 working days, he was therefore ineligible. Kind of sums the operation up though, their first Chatham Cup game, against a very average team in the 4th tier, they stumble through (should’ve been a lot more than 4-0, West Hamilton were terrible), to then lose by default.

It’s stuff like this that, when they get relegated, will keep any players who are Northern League quality, or are promising kids, away. Birkenhead have their strategic partnership with St Mirren and are top four, plus have Paul Hobson who recruits well, it’s no wonder so many of the best kids leave to go there. 

carlind

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Hmm, I can’t help but thinking whether this kind of stuff would have happened at Forrest Hill, hindsight is 20/20 and so forth.

The trouble came from playing Yousif Al-Khalisy, who they just signed from Auckland City on Friday 29th May, and had him registered for their match the next day against North Shore, in which he was substituted on in the first half as an injury replacement. That result went off without issue, so they obviously didn’t think this game would be any different. 

Through a lack of due diligence or just carelessness, they didn’t check the registration rules for the Chatham Cup which apparently state a player must have been registered for 10 working days to be eligible. Yousif started, and because it was only 6 working days, he was therefore ineligible. Kind of sums the operation up though, their first Chatham Cup game, against a very average team in the 4th tier, they stumble through (should’ve been a lot more than 4-0, West Hamilton were terrible), to then lose by default.

It’s stuff like this that, when they get relegated, will keep any players who are Northern League quality, or are promising kids, away. Birkenhead have their strategic partnership with St Mirren and are top four, plus have Paul Hobson who recruits well, it’s no wonder so many of the best kids leave to go there. 

I would like to see the regulation changed if I'm being honest - I think working days is very hard to define in an organisation where most of the "work" is being done on Saturday and Sunday.

The regulations for the cup used to be they had to have played two games - that was moved to a measurement of days as the games regulation could be too easily manipulated - so if the intention is to be two weeks then make it 13 or 14 days - not business days. 

Not saying I have any sympathy for Rovers - 10 working days was the rule and they either didn't know it or ignored it - I just think it should be changed.

Round 3 draw

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Friday night result:

Christchurch United 4 (Daniel McClay 2, Oliver Colloty, own goal) Coastal Spirit 3 (Jordan Spain, Liam Cotter, Aashish Rai) HT 3 - 1

Chatham Cup
Christchurch
Cashmere Technical 7 Nelson Suburbs 3 HT 5 - 0
Dunedin 
Wanaka 0 South City Royals 4
Green Island 1 Otago University 5

Good cup tie at Shepherds Park today. Birko 1 Auckland United 0
30 yard or so from Sam Burfoot late in 2nd half . Took a deflection i think. Pretty even game but think Birko just shaded it. Neither side had much in the way of strike power . Monty Patterson did most of his best work 30-40 yards from goal whilst Alex Grieve had one of the quietest games i've seen. rain made the pitch quite slippery in the second half. Auckland United quite a physical team although Birko did largely match that.Interesting that Birko only had two players on the pitch i think (Hirst and Burfoot) that were in the cup winning team of 3 years ago. They keep bringing young players through. Good afternoons entertainment. If Birko get a run of home draws don't be surprised to see them progress a long way

chubbs

Good cup tie at Shepherds Park today. Birko 1 Auckland United 0
30 yard or so from Sam Burfoot late in 2nd half . Took a deflection i think. Pretty even game but think Birko just shaded it. Neither side had much in the way of strike power . Monty Patterson did most of his best work 30-40 yards from goal whilst Alex Grieve had one of the quietest games i've seen. rain made the pitch quite slippery in the second half. Auckland United quite a physical team although Birko did largely match that.Interesting that Birko only had two players on the pitch i think (Hirst and Burfoot) that were in the cup winning team of 3 years ago. They keep bringing young players through. Good afternoons entertainment. If Birko get a run of home draws don't be surprised to see them progress a long way

Hobbo does a good job of signing young kids, he probably has tried to sign every good teenager on the Shore and used to pillage Forrest Hill youth teams, so eventually he hits with them, but you’ll also hear less glowing reviews from the many he recruits then discards