Local womens football (incl. W League)

players whisperings

Wairarapa United have just won the cap prem league and have had just been confirmed into central league next year.

If the WCL exist that is 

congrats wairarapa.... Tell them to celebrate but also tell them no promotion or relegation this year until CF decides what's next

Central league to go ahead next year regardless of review unless by mutual agreement of both federations. Any changes have to be at least one year in advance according to central league rules.

1.2 "The control and management of this competition shall be vested in The Manager who will be appointed by the Capital and Central Football Federation Boards."

1.30  "The CL committee will conduct an annual review of the CL to determine any changes that may be required to enhance the overall development and performance of the CL. This review will be completed and outcomes published by 31 October. A meeting will be held in each Federation if there is sufficient interest."

Can't see mention of mention of "at least one year in advance"

1.8   "The Federation Representatives on the CL Committee shall take heed of input from the Club Representatives, but the responsibility for decisions of the CL Committee shall rest with the Federation Representatives. "

seem's like there is a review every year due to women's footy being a strange beast

Given 1. the situation with womens footy in the lower north island, plus 2. the fact mainland WPL is a 2 horse race plus new Tasman entry and 3. dndn having only 1-2 viable clubs, the answer seems logical: 8-10 team league made up of the 3-4 federations. Is there the  will to make it happen? 

No. A global fix for a local problem, forget it. 

Surprised at your comment given you are a supporter of SI league for men, are you not? Player pyramid/numbers are an insurmountable issue south of the bombays; witness FHM smashing unbeaten mainland WPL winners 6-zip today. We have 3 local problems within 45/90 minute flight of each other - combined league is the best alternative for top flight players who live south of taupo. If you counter with the 'Longo' argument, imagine how much better she would be if she played in a pro league (she could take her pick) , rather than settling/choosing to be the big fish in a small pond. 

JR, if you are reading, any thoughts on the bigger issue? 

Sunday saw Upper Hutt City beat Seatoun 3-0 in the 44th final of New Zealand's oldest Women's trophy, The Kelly Cup

Here's my write up

and some photos

I think you've summed everything up quite succinctly, Global Game.

I'm quite certain you'd get a very competitive league involving Cashmere Technical, Coastal Spirit, Dunedin Technical, Marist Palmerston North, Roslyn Wakari, Tasman United, Upper Hutt City and Wellington United next season, were the bullet to be bitten by the Central, Capital, Mainland and Football South federations, and the greater good of the women's game in NZ prioritised ahead of local and regional interests, ideally starting as early as next year, but realistically we're looking at a 2018 start date. 


Beneath that would run the regional leagues, e.g. Capital Premier Women's League, and equivalents in the other federations, with the champions of each of these leagues earning the right to contest a two-round promotion play-off series, the overall winner of which will earn promotion to the Heartland Women's Super League (working title), replacing the bottom-placed team, given automatic relegation would apply.

The two-round promotion play-off series would work thus:

Mainland champs v Football South champs at Sir Basil Arthur Park, Timaru; Central champs v. Capital champs at a suitably neutral venue - both one-off semi-finals, with the winners to meet in a two-legged home-and-away play-off to decide the promotion.

Doing this would serve everybody's purposes and interests. The higher calibre players, coaches and referees would be involved in / gravitate to the HWSL, while the teams which haven't proved to be as competitive this season would have the scope to develop against teams at a level better suited to where they are developmentally, while still having plenty to aspire to, in the form of winning their federation league and, with that, the prospect of promotion to the top flight.

Of course, such a venture would require notable sponsorship, as the HWSL would be a travelling league. To minimise costs as much as possible, I cite what Tasman did this season on some of their trips south - play on both Saturday and Sunday - as a means of doing this, which, at the same time, enables the possibility of a 21-game league season.


I'd be looking to target the likes of Flight Centre or House Of Travel as potential league sponsors, or hotel chains with outlets in the South Island and lower North Island. How about Grabaseat? Jason's Travel? AA Traveller?

Of course, establishing the HWSL would open up another possibility - a clash between the winners of the HWSL and the Northern Premier Women's League (NPWL), thus establishing a National Club Champion. Currently, the National Women's Knockout Cup serves this purpose, but there are occasions, such as this year, where the winner of the cup isn't necessarily the best team in the country.

Glenfield and Forrest Hill-Milford United finished fourth and fifth respectively in this season's NPWL, which Three Kings United won by the length of the street - a perfect eighteen wins from eighteen games, only the sixth time the perfect season has been recorded in 44 seasons of the NPWL, and the first such campaign since 1987. En route, they thumped both cup finalists 5-1 in league action ...

All up, there is plenty to be gained by the establishment of a Heartland Women's Super League, with the women's game as a whole being the ultimate beneficiary. One thing's for sure, the current situation cannot be sustained for too much longer.


Cheers,

JR

Congratulations to Upper Hutt City's Emma Main who won both the Young player & Player of the year for the Central League and Zoe Barrott (also Upper Hutt City) who won Capital Premier player of the year last night

so the central league is being binned and the new top league will play on Saturday. Gonna stretch ref stocks. Not sure why the day change?

That hurts women's football in Palmy

And it puts all the other women's clubs in limbo for two seasons which will make it hard to retain good players, particularly those on cusp of selection for the Women's Capital Football rep team.  Karori, Island Bay, Brooklyn, and us at Uni will be affected.

Interestingly Cap Football's said that all clubs in the Women's Premier League must achieve the New Zealand Football Quality Club Mark by the end of 2017.  Not clear whether the same criteria would apply for the Men's Premier League.

i think some of the stuff is a case of throwing it against the wall and seeing what sticks

Using New Zealand Football Quality Club Mark to block womans football teams is bull.

This New Zealand Football Quality Club Mark stuff has no real measure its a paper bull s##t quality assessment 

To truly asses a club would require a person to to be visiting the club over a long period and on multiple occasions as well as asking questions of members without limitation of who and when.

But it is filing papers with the correct wording to meet the model supplied  and club officials making the right noises to a few people and then you get a plaque that means what?

It looks great in principal but in action it lacks allot of checks and balances though some clubs might find that it has helped them going though the process to introduce some basic good management practices i know that others play lip service using words like best business management but don't follow any moral transparent management practice as who's really checking?

if a team is good enough  (a good team is never going to come from a crapy run club) they should get to play where they are capable of playing.

Otherwise we will get even worse favouritism to the clubs who suck up to the controlling body's of the game (11 team's)

And this will not be good for the game in the long run.

This is disappointing to hear, and a retrograde step particularly for the likes of Marist Palmerston North, Massey University and Moturoa.

Pray tell the logic / reasoning / thinking behind this - in my eyes, short-sighted and finance-influenced - decision?

What short-, medium- and long-term benefits are envisaged by the powers-that-be in culling the Central Region Premier Women's League in favour of the existing federation-based Premier Women's League competitions? How do players in both federations gain from this move?


Cheers,

JR

PN Marist will stay in the six as a guest

So Capital keep on winning, this time 5-1 over Southern United, currently 2nd in the league but next 2 games are the real test - Canterbury United Pride away & then Northern at home

Here's my write up from Sunday's game

and some photos

Wendi Henderson confirmed at Upper Hutt for next season.

is the Wairarapa still trying to buy a new team for the central league?

details?

I thought there was no central league next year? My understanding is it is now a six team Capital Football league with one team from the central region.

I believe why bother with any team from the central region and instead let Petone in as the sixth. Let central region sought there own shark out.

It's called the "Capital Football W League 2017", it's on Saturdays, has three rounds and 6 teams (I can see Stop Out/Rapa getting pummelled).

The draw is out: http://websites.sportstg.com/comp_info.cgi?c=1-4205-0-434379-0&pool=1&a=ROUND&round=0&rdt=20170401

surely Keinzley has signed a few internationals

CJ Bott and Sarah Gregorious have both gone to UH. No Rapa signings yet, but he was tapping up players (who promptly reported it, because it just doesn't happen in women's football).

reported?

AFAIK it went something like this:

Phil hits up a girl to play for Rapa, offering money or some kind of compensation. Girl tells current coach, coach tells CF, CF tells Phil to quit it.

I can see this going well...

NZKO Cup - Scheduled for 16th of July 2017 (round before the quarterfinals) ...
NZF Youth Nationals - 14th-16th of July (which includes U19s teams)

When will NZF look at their own calendars before committing to schedules?
Especially when they are targeting the same pool of players??

So unless person at Petone told me wrong, there is no promotion/relegation in between WCL and Prems for 3 years and then in the 4th year is where teams can battle to be promoted? So the WCL is just going to be the 4 Wellington teams, 1 Parmy and 1 Rapa for the next 4 years.

Petone isn't happy because they have lost a few players who wanted to play in CL so have gone to Wellington United (Petone missed out on promotino last season).

The regs for this year state there's no promotion/relegation over the Prems/W-League boundary for this year. No idea what's happening in the future, but the three year thing sounds like CF trying to make the W-League sustainable after years of clubs bailing. I don't think it will work as well as they hope it will.

As for Petone players moving to WU, one player isn't really an exodus...

who knows. Brainless decisions are constantly made which go out the door five minutes later. How much the review outputs were driven by a consultant who hasn't got a clue is unknown - but higher powers should know better (sigh)..

We lost 6 from last year's squad that I can think of at the moment. From that 2 have gone to CL sides. The frustration is more at CF for the daft decision that makes keeping our best players that much harder.

Capital football being stupid, citing that they need to develop their own players.   How does cutting the league down do that?  Less players playing at a higher level and then a couple of the sides (won't name them) approaching players from manawatu and taranaki anyway.  

Stupid if you ask me. The capital sides aren't as strong as they think they are and now have limited the pathways for their own player.s  Really smart move. NOT

Who would be driving this crazy change? When you look at who would benefit, one of the clubs would be Stop Out because they have a less than average team that would not be subject to relegation for 3 years. Surely Canton is not involved with this. Is he  still influental in the players' committee?

From what I've heard Stop Out weren't particularly happy with the change. They saw it as killing the competition and I'm told have repeatedly questioned the inclusion of a Central team in the new league.

and have apparently lost plenty of players to W U

There were 5 on the clearances list that I saw but I don't know how many of them were senior players. I believe the Ninjas girls only team that Stop Out had split and some players went back to their original clubs.