Is this the most pointless line in an article ever?
The player allegedly insulted is described by his coach as a dedicated player who lives in Wellington and catches the train to the Kapiti Coast for training
Think they're trying to make the point that the lad goes out of his way for football.
and if he didn't go out of his way to play football, it would be ok to abuse him?
his method of transport should only be a big deal if he walks or cycles to training.
his method of transport should only be a big deal if he walks or cycles to training.
In my father's day you might have ridden a donkey to training.
his method of transport should only be a big deal if he walks or cycles to training.
In my father's day you might have ridden a donkey to training.
Hedged laneways between Great Mistley and Basildon Utd.
Is this the most pointless line in an article ever?
The player allegedly insulted is described by his coach as a dedicated player who lives in Wellington and catches the train to the Kapiti Coast for training
Think they're trying to make the point that the lad goes out of his way for football.
and if he didn't go out of his way to play football, it would be ok to abuse him?
Yes that is exactly right ...
24 April 2014
Dear clubs,
RE: Appeal decision from Capital 4 incident
Capital Football would like to update you on the incident which took place in a Capital 4 match on Saturday April 5 this season.
Part-way through a Capital 4 match between Wellington United and Kapiti Coast United (KCU) at Newtown Park on April 5, 2014 a Wellington United (WU) player was issued a red card for using insulting, offensive or abusive language.
The issue was brought to the attention of Capital Football the following Monday (April 7) and a suspension of 10 games was imposed on the player.
Wellington United appealed to Capital Football regarding the length of the suspension period and were heard by an independent Disciplinary Committee on Thursday, 17 April 2014.
After hearing statements from both the player involved and his club, the independent Committee came to the following conclusions:
The player demonstrated genuine remorse for his actions and took a number of steps to remedy the situation such as meeting with the KCU player and his family to apologise in-person for any un-intentional offence caused.
Capital Football acknowledges the importance of the positive endeavour demonstrated by WU throughout the entire process.
After considering all of these factors, the independent Disciplinary Committee came to a decision that the appropriate sanction for the player is a suspension of eight (8) matches.
Yours truly,
Richard Reid
CEO, Capital Football
How can Making Monkey noises not be racially motivated?
There was probably a lot of crowd noise, so everybody on the field misheard
Also, by saying it wasn't racially motivated, then dropping suspension from 10 games to 8, they're basically saying the racism aspect is only worth a 2 game suspension. Wtf.
My friend, without technology, has me ask "what would Wellington United consider an appropriate length of ban for this?'.
How can Making Monkey noises not be racially motivated?
I wasn't there and have no idea what happened so certainly won't try and condone anything. Racism is never ok so I won't reinvent the wheel condemning that.
But given the noise from the zoo on Newtown Park it wouldn't be the first time I have heard a person mimic the raucous chimps...of course it tends to be little kids...#twocents
Sounds like something right out of the Santalab defence counsel.
As I say I have no detail but assuming that Capital Football aren't complete muppets (which is a leap in itself) trying to imagine a situation in which as Jeff said "How monkey noises could not be racially motivated"
It's likely one of very few grounds in the world where that excuse could make sense. I seriously struggle to come up with any others...
That said - that explanation doesn't really fit with the second bullet in the statement.
If they weren't racist - how were the noises still "insulting and offensive"?
How can Making Monkey noises not be racially motivated?
Yeah.
Seems to me like another cap football 'try and please everyone' decision by making concessions. (11 team Cap 1 anyone?)
Stupid farken spineless Capital Football. Bunch of monkeys.
CF have had one here... The guy knows what he did... The KCU guy involved was dominating that game, good player!, didn't let it effect his game !
can't say I'm a fan of the disciplinary comm after some kangaroo court experiences last year
if the guy did nothing wrong, he has effectively been suspended for 8 games for making Michael Winslow type noises whilst playing footy
let that be a warning to everyone
My maths:
2 match ban for racism component.
8 match ban for offensive language.
Is that standard and expected now?
Is non-racist offensive 4x worse than racism?
i thought the standard ban was 5 weeks but because this was racism they doubled it to 10 weeks…..
so if now they say it not as bad as first thought then should it not go back to 5 weeks????
math might not be my strongest subject but i am sure these figures for the new ban don't add up…..
i think this lad might be getting a beating to set an example but is that fair????
Set an example for what? Apparently he didn't do anything and his monkey noises weren't racist.
The monkey noises weren't racist, but they were offensive...somehow...?
Offensive animal noises that aren't racist are worth an 8 game ban.
Racism is worth a 2 game suspension.
That's what I take from this appeal ruling anyway.
Interesting stuff....
That said - that explanation doesn't really fit with the second bullet in the statement.
If they weren't racist - how were the noises still "insulting and offensive"?
This whole episode has become quite confusing to someone who was once involved, to now sitting some way from the action.
I would like to know firstly, how the noises or actions purported to be used by the offender are not racist, if they were as described on this thread - there are plenty of precedents for this and the sanction seemed to be right.
Secondly, if the learned Judicial committee found that the actions were not racist (again, confusing as there are precedents and "case law"), but were offensive or insulting, how can someone be sentenced to 8 weeks when the penalty set down is two weeks (I think).
I also wonder why his Club appealed the decision handed down by CF - do they condone that sort of behaviour?
I may have made some assumptions but this is how I see it from a distance.
My understanding, for one of your questions.
THe club appealed, due to the process, or not, followed by Capital Football.
Eg innocent until proven guilty (whether or not monkey noises can be deemed nonracist is another argument, but this came about by the hearing that should have occurred in the first place).
So the appeal was for a fair process, not pro racism, from my understanding!
Thanks HB
That explains part of it
i thought it was put in front of the committee because it was 10 weeks instead of the standard 5 weeks….
see loftus roads post on page 5 which is Mr Richard Reid's letter i think.
Were the monkey noises claimed/deemed to actually be directed at the referee? So, not racist, but still abuse of a referee so worthy of a stiff penalty?
Creating further confusion is the #WeAreAllMonkeys anti-racism campaign currently exploding on social media thanks to Dani Alves and Neymar...
https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/early-doors/monkeys-stars-bananas-support-alves-163102238.html
Fuck knows what you're meant to think if you see a member of the opposition pull out a banana this weekend (OMG! Is he going to throw it, eat it or tweet it??).
I don't know why in gods name with all the sensitivity around racism a player would put himself in a position to be judged. Why would you in a game of football make monkey noises? Whether it was intended or not, he should suck it up, accept he made a poor judgement and take the punishment.
here we go again cap 4 kcu player sent for calling wainui player a monkey,
unbelievable
Thats just terrible! Guess it'll be another 8 week ban...
here we go again cap 4 kcu player sent for calling wainui player a monkey,
unbelievable
Seriously? After they were the victims the first time?! Idiot. No wonder Cap Football fees are so much, wasting all their time having to investigate stupid shit!
Cap footy investigate ... Insert tui billboard. That would require them to have a process...
Thats just terrible! Guess it'll be another 8 week ban...
Isn't racism only 2 weeks? 'Monkey' if not used in a derogatory context is 8.
Jokes aside, disappointing. Doom post will have a field day with this. I feel extra bad for that same kid who was the victim in the first instance, he needs to now see he team mates have a go. I can only hope there's more to all of this than what we're seeing. I just hope it's not true.
Note the order of news stories on Capital Football website - a day after they posted up their appeal result, it bounced down the list and out of the latest four news stories which are the only ones visible on the main page!:
30/4: Phoenix
29/04: Jamie Cross
28/04: Term 2 Futsal
27/04: Marist
24/04: Chatham Cup
28/04: CAPITAL 4 APPEAL RESULT
Capital have bumped it down the list and out of sight to sweep it under the carpet , even though it would still be in the latest four stories chronologically. This is how the site lists them and orders them - I have used something very similar. So deliberate changing to knock it out of the public eye.
