Forrest Hill Milford

Forrest Hill Milford

A joke club with dirty unambitious mercenaries for players and gutless mouthy w**kers for fans. Small time pretenders.

/rant

Who stole the jam outta your donut?

Are you from Forrest Hill Jeff? Is anyone on this board from Forrest Hill? I'd love for any of you to try defend yourselves. I'll blow you out of the f**king water one by one.

perhaps a little context might stimulate the debate buffy?

Negatory. Wellington ahoy. Just wanted to know why you put some completely useless ramble up with out substance to support it. You may as well have written 'Look at me' for all the use it provided.

Alright fair enough.

My club Birkenhead United have used 10 players who have been developed as junior/youth players by the club. Forrest Hill have used 0. Yes none, zero.

One of the main purposes of this new US1 Premiership being founded was to enhance player development through clubs and give more youth players an opportunity to play 1st team football. Forrest Hill don't seem to give a f**k about this.

Another of the main purposes or objectives of the new league was to reduce costs amongst clubs regarding players, coaches and match officials. Forrest Hill pay the highest 'wages' amongst any club in the US1 Premiership and yes that includes Waitakere City, which may surprise a few people.

Why do i call them unambitious mercenaries? Why else would players with skill and experience like Tamati Williams, Chris Morris and Brent Fisher reduce themselves to playing for this rabble? Why would Denver MacDonald, a promising young Waitakere 1st team player last season who got regular game time there all of a sudden jump ship to recently promoted Forrest Hill? Can only be for one thing.

Some of the fans are awful. Blowing that f**king goddam horn all game and carrying on the way you did like a bunch of zoo animals. And to the group of w**kers who were personally attacking our right mid all game well done. You are three times his age yet acted as if it was the other way round, bunch of immature gits.

I'd take my issues to a US1 meeting if i could but would most likely get shunned for being too young even though it's what they need to hear even if they don't admit it.

There. Context. Of sorts.

hmmmmmmm

4-1 last night.

Yes giving players stick is part of the game but this got beyond ridiculous. Everytime he got the ball or went near it they were at it. And it was only him, no one else. The time they abused him when he was lying injured about 5 metres from where they were standing was when they crossed that 'line', so to speak.

And there's nothing wrong with spending a bit of money but for a completely amateur league they spend obscene amounts and make no attempt to develop their own players.

But nah i'm just bitter and none of my points have any actual sense or backing to them so who cares right?

I'm actually surprised that you were/are that naive to honestly believed that the US1 premiership and their master plan would actually save clubs money and give something back to the clubs/region. That was pie in the sky and was never going to happen. I've been here a year now and the problem is the same in Wellington with player payments. Lee Root would have been on a packet at Forrest Hill and I've heard that the refs get paid $70 a game. I bet you no other town pays that. I went up 3 weeks ago to watch a Glenfield game and saw Liam Mulrooney, James Pritchard and co playing for Glenfield. Mulrooney would have cost an easy $500 a week and thats him alone.

Ultimately its always going to be the need of the club first over the needs of the federation and while there might be pockets that are against that, they are in the minority. I heard the other day that US1 lost more money in the last 2 years than they did in the previous 5 years in the Northern League. You can't tell me that that clubs have saved money by pulling out of the Northern League and going it alone cause they have sunk it on buying players for a competition where there is no prize at the end. Waitakere City will most likely be Dawkins United in disguise and I'd put a fiver on most of the Waitakere United players being there and again on a wedge.

If you have an issue, remember this. You lot voted on the board that decided they were better off going it alone and sat idly by and watched it all unfold. Nothing has changed and nothing ever will and even though there is a new board about to start, I'd bet again that you lot wont have given them a mandate to change and you are more likely going to get the status quo and more of the same. B O O H O O

I just checked that before I posted and saw that they won but I bet this is a holier than thou scenario. Like you said, nothing wrong with that. If this was wrong then the Fever Zone would cease to exist.

All Waitak players that are getting paid are tied in with United and get paid on United's books. Contentious but ultimately above board. Although an issue i would take up with them would be the constant poaching of youth players from other US1 clubs year after year.

Mulrooney and Pritchett would be about the only two on any sort of decent pay at Glenfield, and i disagree that it would be an easy $500 a week. But still, compare that to Forrest Hill who are paying at least 6 players anywhere between $400-450 a week and it's nothing really.

It doesn't help raise the standards of the league either bringing all these big name players in for all this money because the rest of the league that doesn't/can't pay players will never be able to match it.

You say Boo Hoo but state the same problem arises in Wellington football, so why can't you relate?

I say boo hoo because I'm not the one complaining. My attitude is that it aint my business or place to tell others how to earn their living and I know full well it happens everywhere in football in this country but I can laugh at the stupid US1 notion of 2 years ago of going it alone because everyone told them so and they still chose to do it.

It happens everywhere. Don't like it, get on the board and make a change.

But 3 years ago, you guys had no issue with bringing in mercenaries Matt Cuneen, Stu Hogg, Rob Lee, Blair Konik and co. There were probably more but I forget.

Stones and glass houses.

Edit: You even had Mikael Munday who now plays for Forrest Hill....
Jeff Vader2009-08-19 22:50:36

Too young. No business experience. So no chance of that happening. Which is why as i stated above i wouldn't mind going to some sort of AGM or other US1 open meeting and airing my points of view but even then i'd most likely be dismissed for being too young. Otherwise tell me the easiest way to do it and i will.

Surely i'm not the only one who holds these opinions? Surely an older person in a better position to make a change agrees with me. I can't be alone.

Rob Lee ain't a mercenary. He gets paid for doing physio work at the club and that is it. Same then same now. Blair was a youth player on nothing. Hogg and Cuneen are probably the only two who were on anything, hardly a crime especially in the old Northern League days.

Oh and the next season Glenfield came and bid for two of our players and got them cause we refused to pay either of them anything. I suggest you get your facts straight before spouting rubbish about glass houses.

I laugh at that: 'It was ok in the old Northern League days but now its not'

What a load of bullsh*t and your argument just went with it.. You've pretty much made it obvious now that you are just crying cause your team got their ass spanked. Sack up and handle it.

Blair Konik was at North Shore the year before then left Birkenhead to go to Waitakere. Cory Hitchen? Left Waitakere to go to Birkenhead and then went back to Waitakere. I can keep going...

Keep going then. Blair was on nothing. Would you like that repeated again and again. And both Blair and Corey went to Waitak where, you guessed it, they would get paid. Did we try match Waitak's bid? No. Why? To save costs in a new league and develop our own players. In fact even in that last proper Northern League season we still used a minimum of 4 different players who had been developed by the club, all who got paid nothing all season.

Also none of these players were on $500 a week or playing at a level that was well below their skill level. Couldn't say that for someone like Tamati or Fisher.

Anthony Hagen (granted the coaches son) Daniel Ellensohn...

All those players literally arrived and left in the space of one year and it wasn't because 'Birkenhead were a quality club/side' They got their cash, finished up near the relegation zone and those players left for money and the fact it was a crap team. You just avoided relegation in the last game of the season. Daniel Ellensohn, Matt Cuneen, Stu Hogg, Blair Konik, Mikael Munday, Cory Hitchen, Anthong Hagen, Rob Lee... To use a Frankie Mac saying, pretty much most of those players have had more clubs than he's got in two of Tiger Woods bags sitting in the garage.

Ultimately you have yet to fight your own argument. You guys paid players and it didn't work. Now you try preach the righteous tone and bag other clubs for doing what you guys did. When you get beaten, you cry about it saying 'Thats not fair'. If you guys had won the league, you would have found cash for more players to stay top (as it was the league disbanded)

And before you start about supporters, take a good look at the your own balcony and some of the stuff that comes off of that...

Sack up man, seriously. You are embarrasing yourself.

Can hardly count Ellensohn as he was barely there for a month. Hago left for Oz to take up a job there. Good chance he would still be there too if he was still in the country. Rob Lee is still there and as i said still only gets paid for physio duties.

I'm on bad terms with several people on that balcony but despite this i'm pretty sure they have never ganged up on any one single player especially one who is still a teenager and constantly abused him for the full 90. Maybe this is ok to you though. If so then please allow me to come to one of your games one day and abuse you virtually non stop for 90 minutes and we shall see what happens.

It's funny cause you say my argument is bullsh*t yet you are almost trying to win it for me with some of the above comments. "If you guys had won the league, you would have found cash for more players to stay top (as it was the league disbanded)" . Yeah, in a different league, one with cash, with more quality and different objectives. The US1 Prem isn't the Northern Prem.

Perhaps if you looked past your blinkered view of the 'poor-little-boy-having-a-waaah' side of the argument and actually looked at the original points i made regarding Forrest Hill and the objectives and outcomes relating to player payment and player development in the US1 Prem then you wouldn't have to resort to such petty comments as 'Sack up man'. Just a thought.

Au contraire.

1: You are whinging about Forrest Hill doing exactly the same stuff you guys did in 2007 but you are crying about it cause they beat you 4-1 and now 'its not fair'. Had you thrashed them, you wouldn't be here. So yeah, that makes you a cry baby.

2: I can tell you I am not proving your argument. Ellensohn played a decent chunk of the season because he was working for North Harbour Basketball and Jeremy Ruanes sites have his name through it for the match reports. Hago has been back along long while and played a fair chunk of that season too when he wasn't suspended. Came from North Shore the year before.... Signed for Waikato FC last year. My son was on the fringe of that squad that year. He didn't play and rightly shouldn't have because he was never good enough to be a Northern League player. Thankfully he is now coaching (kids) and will do alot better at that but I can tell you that there was plenty of cash floating around. And no I wont tell you who he is because that will give away who I am. If I wanted to tell you who I was, I would have made that my name or put it in my profile.

3: How am I proving your point? Your argument is bullsh*t because on one hand you are saying that its not fair to pay players. But in the Northern League it was ok (these are your words) Had you guys won the Northern League, you would have found the cash to keep that team together. So its ok to do that had you won..... As it was the cash dried up and the players left, abeit the fact that the team was rubbish. Now because you take a holier than though position inspite of your previous practices, no one else should pay players?? What Kool aid are drinking sonny? You said that paying players was hardly a crime. Just because it was in Northern League or what every guise doesn't change that fact into a crime now because its 2009. Can you be anymore hypocritical? Which leads to the next point...

4: What objectives? The objectives US1 set out have not worked. You've even said. 'Clubs pay players' How has the objectives worked??? US1 are broke. They have no money, zilch zip. Thats why there is a new board, because they were booted out. They spent all this cash to try make all these promises they made come true and told everyone how the game will be all self sustaining but ultimately, they made themselves broke. So how have the objectives put more money back into the game (like they said it should) when there is now no money and its completely unsustainable after 2 years. What happens now to all those promises? What quality competition? East Coast Bays always have been a quality team and always will be and then you have Waitakere. Hardly needs explaining that one. Please tell me how the objectives have worked when the federation has no money, and the two decent teams you have, you always had anyway and clubs are still spending money on players. How are the other clubs catching Waitakere and East Coast Bays that were long established as quality teams before 'The objectives' came along? Oh yeah, didn't Forrest Hill buy players to become a decent side? But isn't that inspite of what you are saying and the objectives laid out. The football competition you have is marginal and thats WITH shopping for players. Imagine what players and quality you would have if you didn't. Seems all the clubs really bought into those objectives.. The clubs in US1 were better off when the Northern League proper was around. You have no money, a worse off competition and clubs are still paying for players. The model might have been broken before, but its well and truly destroyed now. You are sitting there preaching these objectives that were never going to work and never will (and are now proven to be financially unsustainable) and because teams are choosing to ignore those objectives, you are saying 'thats not fair'. Clubs are doing what they have always done and that is 'taking care of their own' If you guys don't want to do that, fine but don't rag on others because you guys chose not to. Your club have choices and chose not to. Don't cry foul after the fact when you know what the landscape is and was beforehand. Its akin to a schoolboy team entering the Chatham Cup and then when they get knocked out by Miramar Rangers in the 1st round and cry about it, say that 'its not fair because they are better than us'. If you don't like it, don't play or enter that league/competition.

5: Its senior mens football or should there be a rule for Birkenhead players because they are home grown and everyone should go light on them and talk about bunnies. No team has the right to preach the moral high ground with spectators because all clubs (this is a generalisation) will have some/a few/a lot of supporters that are f**kwits... If he doesn't like to take sh*t, maybe he should play age group football where the kids will run around and call each other 'gay' and 'fag' The fact you quantify your statement with 'pretty sure they have never ganged up on any one single player' would indicate they have most likely stood there and given the entire 11 grief. But I'm sure you knew that. As for abusing me, go for leather. For me to take offence to what you say would mean I'd actually have to care or place any value in your opinion... I think we can agree I don't

I'm not supporting your argument at all. I'm saying your argument is completely baseless and has no leg to stand on and all you are doing is whinging. Again, you wouldn't have started this had you not been done last night by Forrest Hill. Handle the loss with a bit if dignity because your teams have in the past paid for mercenary players (if they still had cash, they still would be) and have a balcony with language that wouldn't get them past 1st base with anyone. Thats why you get told to grow a set.
Jeff Vader2009-08-20 01:19:41

Interesting rant Buffon - obviously the result upset you.

Didn't quote your entire essay so just listed the headings instead. Much simpler.

Good day sir.

Buffy get a car, develop road rage ...its the AK way !