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Ivan England (2015 edition)

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over 12 years ago
Blew.2 wrote:
Smithy wrote:

Interesting final. In Mick Waitt and Brendan McIntyre you've got the two most youth-focused coaches in central league so not a massive surprise that their U19s are so strong. Lower Hutt have been a powerhouse in this part of the footballing spectrum for a number of years. It hasn't really translated to first team success, but when you look at what they've done at U19 level, consistently, it's pretty impressive.

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The Capital Football website appears to be having problems, but they have posted this

Ivan England Final:

Lower Hutt City vs. Olympic

Saturday 5th October

Petone Memorial

2pm kick off

http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?client=1-4205-0-0-0&sID=233746&&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=25833487
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over 12 years ago
Blew.2 wrote:
Fulltime wrote:

Here it's a Olympic vs LH final.

Olympic won 5-1 against UH ?

LH win 5 nil against Miramar

Only heard results second hand. Hopefully there coreect.Not on CF website.

Olympic v Lower Hutt heard that before,  COYY

Just heard most of the Miramar team that beat Stop Out were away on an end of year trip on the day the Miramar played Lower Hutt. 

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over 12 years ago
[quote=Smithy]

Interesting final. In Mick Waitt and Brendan McIntyre you've got the two most youth-focused coaches in central league so not a massive surprise that their U19s are so strong. Lower Hutt have been a powerhouse in this part of the footballing spectrum for a number of years. It hasn't really translated to first team success, but when you look at what they've done at U19 level, consistently, it's pretty impressive.

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Interesting you said coaches there and not clubs. Where do Olympic get there junior players from? As far as I can see they do not have any junior teams (feel free to correct me if I wrong) So other clubs develope the players and then Olympic collects  them!
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over 12 years ago


Olympic do have junior teams

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over 12 years ago
Tyler wrote:


Olympic do have junior teams

A guick look at CF website  doesn`t show any Junior teams as Olympic. Therefore presume you mean before 10th grade or under another clubs name. Happy to be wrong. But in the years I have been involved in Wgtn football have never come across a junior olympic team. What grades to you have teams in?
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over 12 years ago

Yeah Olympic generally hoover up players at College age. There are always a bunch of kids who are associated with the club through their Greek heritage, and then the rest they just recruit.

The club itself has a few young junior teams, generally they give up at JPL and the kids from those teams go elsewhere for a few years, then play for their school, then come back to the club.

Not sure how many of their current 19s would have ever played for Olympic before 19s. Not many.

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over 12 years ago

I should say that I don't personally think that's a bad or negative thing. It just is what it is. Different clubs do things differently.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 12 years ago

When I was doing the junior draw approx 1990 Olympic had several junior teams, via a deal with St Marks School (the one next to Wgtn Coll). Maki Halikias played his juniors with Olympic. I think Leo Bertos was there for a while, as was his brother Adam. The junior club was organised at that time by Mario Kotsapas. Their best junior team was coached by Costa Leonadis. Another was coached by Ross Durant who had a son at St Marks.

 

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over 12 years ago
Loftus Road wrote:

When I was doing the junior draw approx 1990 Olympic had several junior teams, via a deal with St Marks School (the one next to Wgtn Coll). Maki Halikias played his juniors with Olympic. I think Leo Bertos was there for a while, as was his brother Adam. The junior club was organised at that time by Mario Kotsapas. Their best junior team was coached by Costa Leonadis. Another was coached by Ross Durant who had a son at St Marks.

 

So that was 23 years ago. A lot of years past since then... I was just interested if they have a youth development program (obviously not if they don't have any junior teams) or if they just hoover ( to use smithys words). players that other clubs have spent time and effort developing.
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over 12 years ago
Fulltime wrote:
Loftus Road wrote:

When I was doing the junior draw approx 1990 Olympic had several junior teams, via a deal with St Marks School (the one next to Wgtn Coll). Maki Halikias played his juniors with Olympic. I think Leo Bertos was there for a while, as was his brother Adam. The junior club was organised at that time by Mario Kotsapas. Their best junior team was coached by Costa Leonadis. Another was coached by Ross Durant who had a son at St Marks.

 

So that was 23 years ago. A lot of years past since then... I was just interested if they have a youth development program (obviously not if they don't have any junior teams) or if they just hoover ( to use smithys words). players that other clubs have spent time and effort developing.


That bit is up for grabs.

If other clubs had spent the time and effort then the hoovering wouldn't be so easy.

In saying that, Olympic nicked a player from my club this year and we had put a bit of time into him. 
 
I guess my point is sometimes clubs think the "own" a junior player just because he (or she) was registered for them once. It's a two way street. Olympic aren't necessarily doing anything bad.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 12 years ago

Hmmm.  I'd rather be part of a club that grew the vast majority of it's own talent.  Much better for club - volunteers, trust, vibe, community etc. etc.  There's an ethical question here too.  I know its always case by case.  But if your club has given you time and resources for over half your life, you're getting on fine, your development is on track, then switching clubs is like f***king your mate's wife right???

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over 12 years ago · edited over 12 years ago · History
Smithy wrote:
Fulltime wrote:
Loftus Road wrote:

When I was doing the junior draw approx 1990 Olympic had several junior teams, via a deal with St Marks School (the one next to Wgtn Coll). Maki Halikias played his juniors with Olympic. I think Leo Bertos was there for a while, as was his brother Adam. The junior club was organised at that time by Mario Kotsapas. Their best junior team was coached by Costa Leonadis. Another was coached by Ross Durant who had a son at St Marks.

 

So that was 23 years ago. A lot of years past since then... I was just interested if they have a youth development program (obviously not if they don't have any junior teams) or if they just hoover ( to use smithys words). players that other clubs have spent time and effort developing.


That bit is up for grabs.


If other clubs had spent the time and effort then the hoovering wouldn't be so easy.


In saying that, Olympic nicked a player from my club this year and we had put a bit of time into him. 

 

I guess my point is sometimes clubs think the "own" a junior player  just because he (or she) was registered for them once. It's a two way street. Olympic aren't necessarily doing anything bad.

I think that post is called fence sitting - smithy.

There will always be players that change clubs for whatever reasons (including parents choices when younger).Being registered for a club once! doesnt make you a club player you are correct.But there are many players who spend there whole junior years with 1 club and then Olympic come along and....

 I don`t think you can call yourself a  developement club if you hoover your players at u19 level.

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over 12 years ago
Fulltime wrote:
Smithy wrote:
Fulltime wrote:
Loftus Road wrote:

When I was doing the junior draw approx 1990 Olympic had several junior teams, via a deal with St Marks School (the one next to Wgtn Coll). Maki Halikias played his juniors with Olympic. I think Leo Bertos was there for a while, as was his brother Adam. The junior club was organised at that time by Mario Kotsapas. Their best junior team was coached by Costa Leonadis. Another was coached by Ross Durant who had a son at St Marks.

 

So that was 23 years ago. A lot of years past since then... I was just interested if they have a youth development program (obviously not if they don't have any junior teams) or if they just hoover ( to use smithys words). players that other clubs have spent time and effort developing.


That bit is up for grabs.


If other clubs had spent the time and effort then the hoovering wouldn't be so easy.


In saying that, Olympic nicked a player from my club this year and we had put a bit of time into him. 

 

I guess my point is sometimes clubs think the "own" a junior player  just because he (or she) was registered for them once. It's a two way street. Olympic aren't necessarily doing anything bad.

I think that post is called fence sitting - smithy.

There will always be players that change clubs for whatever reasons (including parents choices when younger).Being registered for a club once! doesnt make you a club player you are correct.But there are many players who spend there whole junior years with 1 club and then Olympic come along and....

 I don`t think you can call yourself a  developement club if you hoover your players at u19 level.


I agree with all of that.

Wasn't meaning to fence sit, just pointing out it's never a cut/dried situation.

Your last sentence is totally correct, but I don't think Olympic claim to be anything that they're not.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 12 years ago · edited over 12 years ago · History

In an ideal world though (and lets be honest, some of them a grand ideals) kids would be 1 club players but things have changed and loyalty is in some respects, an ideal belonging to a generation past - its in our face every other day with Team New Zealand, SBW, Ma'a Nonu etc. They will follow their mates or they will adopt the 'Championship syndrome' (See Miami Heat - Lebron James, Dwanye Wade and Chris Bosh) whereby good players will not stay in a team that is under performing because they want to be winners and migrate with other good players to form a championship team. There is nothing wrong with that at all but there is also nothing wrong in learning to hate losing and overcoming that and the adversity that goes with it. Makes people stronger rather than choosing the easy road. Look at the shit the Warriors took when they looked delighted after getting thrashed. Slightly off topic but they don't hate losing enough to want to change and become winners. I think some kids are more likely to learn to hate losing if they stick where they are and come through their teams helping making them better. Simplistic notion but there is some truth in it.

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over 12 years ago

With all the options these days you have to respect players that stay with one club and also the clubs that have their players do this (if that makes sense)

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over 12 years ago

Hearing rumours Mick Waitt is overseas and going to bring back a player from a professional youth environment in the UK to be his guest player?

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over 12 years ago
Feverish wrote:

With all the options these days you have to respect players that stay with one club and also the clubs that have their players do this (if that makes sense)

Agreed. I guess that's why I have always rated East Coast Bays and Willie because he brings his kids through and they stick (save a player here or there)

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over 12 years ago
NiceToMichu wrote:

Hearing rumours Mick Waitt is overseas and going to bring back a player from a professional youth environment in the UK to be his guest player?

Olympic have done this before. The last year I played they had some kid come over from Sydney Olympic 
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over 12 years ago

Watching the IE final with Feverish. One way traffic so far. Lower Hutt up 3-0 after 28mins. Olympic pretty hapless so far. Lower Hutt predictably direct and effective.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 12 years ago
Smithy wrote:

Watching the IE final with Feverish. One way traffic so far. Lower Hutt up 3-0 after 28mins. Olympic pretty hapless so far. Lower Hutt predictably direct and effective.


2 of those are GK mistakes though... 
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over 12 years ago

Final score 3nil to LH according to CF website. So no goals in 2nd half. Good defence or strikers not sparking?

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over 11 years ago

Whats happening this year? I just checked website, Pool A has three Central League clubs in Mar, Wests and Petone along with Wharf. Group of death? Twitter says Wharf and Wests drew 2-2 and Mar and Petone finished 5-3 Petone

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over 10 years ago

2015 Ivan England kicks off tomorrow with the following games:

Lower Hutt v Norths

Miramar v LH 2s

Olympic v Island Bay

Western Suburbs v Tawa

Naenae v Upper Hutt

Stop Out v Wairapapa 

Karori v Kapiti

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over 10 years ago

Karori 6 KCU 0

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over 10 years ago
Saw Miramar beat LH 7-0 on Twitter then realised they were playing LH 2nd team.
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I'm positive things will go wrong.
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over 10 years ago

Yellows 4 Norths 1

1-1 at 85 mins until Lower hutt cleaned up in the end

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over 10 years ago

Wests humped KCU 16-1 today!!
Tawa lost 4-0 to Wharf
Any other results of today's round?

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over 10 years ago

Semifinal

Lower Hutt vs Miramar

Waterside Karori vs Wellington Olympic

Any predictions?

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over 10 years ago

Fulltime wrote:

Semifinal

Lower Hutt vs Miramar

Waterside Karori vs Wellington Olympic

Any predictions?

Yeah why not...

Lower Hutt 3 1 Miramar

Karori 4 0 Olympic

Final: Lower Hutt 2 1 Karori

Winners: Lower Hutt

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over 10 years ago

when is it cos someone reckoned that tw yoof play Rapa this Sunday - which would take out most of the players

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over 10 years ago

Mar vs LH
Sunday 10am at Memorial park

Wharf vs Olympic
Sunday 1pm at Fraser Park

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over 10 years ago

Fulltime wrote:

Semifinal

Lower Hutt vs Miramar

Waterside Karori vs Wellington Olympic

Any predictions?

Yeah why not...

Lower Hutt 3 1 Miramar

Karori 4 0 Olympic

Final: Lower Hutt 2 1 Karori

Winners: Lower Hutt

Always trusted Mrs.Miggins tea leaves & Lower Hutt duly obliged last night..

Lower Hutt 3 1 Miramar

Hopefully Karori know the script for Tuesday

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over 10 years ago

Who's the strong Wellington team this year Suburbs and Lower Hutt.

Western springs hot favourites  up here

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