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Jeff Vader wrote:

I would like to float one idea which answers your question:

Who runs Ole now.
 


JV, you are talking real-politics now. What's most important here? Surely it's about us having the systems in place to say with a reasonable level of confidence to a national youth coach: here are the best 30-40 kids in the age group. Now go pick a squad. Nothing else should come into it. Too idealistic?
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Completely agree there should be a simple system that works. Doesn't happen in mainland. No FTC - no NTC - (no exceptions??)

So flying blind down here! 

Is NTC all it's cracked up to be? How munching coaching do u get in 3 and a 1/2 days or is it all testing, that has surely already been done at ftcs. Can anyone tell me the point of NTC aside from getting your name on a last at a cost of $550 a pop!!

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 How munching coaching do u get


Texting while driving is dangerous...lol
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Personally on the playing up issue, I believe it should be a decision between the player, parent and club. Anything over 2 years younger should need the approval of the competition organisers and all entered teams.

Other than that is fine.

Last years champion U17 side had 2 U16's and 12 U15's.

Chronological age is almost irrelevant in assessing player development and competitive levels.

Only NTC, once again what about those not wanting to be part of FTC / NTC.

Any decision on this sort of thing by Mainland needs full discussion and approval from clubs.

The nonsense around the girls this season and the Nelson rep. decision are so off the wall and dictatorial.

Clubs should simply say NO it is not what we want.  

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Nah must have been hungry!!

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shameless gossip

futsel trials were Sunday for Canterbury teams

$600 + flights if you get picked (one weekend away)

FTC looks cheap now

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foal30 wrote:

shameless gossip

futsel trials were Sunday for Canterbury teams

$600 + flights if you get picked (one weekend away)

FTC looks cheap now

Must have 5 star hotel plus the most expensive airline tickets. 
Can I do all the arrangements and keep the surplus coin.
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further gossip is the $ is high as none of this stuff was booked in advance. crikey. 


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If you work out what kids get out of FTC it's actually pretty reasonable (total price divided by sessions).

This futsal tourney always expensive..surely if they know when it is someone could organise earlier. Oh hang on this is Mainland we're talking about..

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Scottie Rd wrote:
foal30 wrote:

shameless gossip

futsel trials were Sunday for Canterbury teams

$600 + flights if you get picked (one weekend away)

FTC looks cheap now

Must have 5 star hotel plus the most expensive airline tickets. 

Can I do all the arrangements and keep the surplus coin.


LOL. Everyone will be staying at Casa del Scotties Aunty...
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I see that 18's and 13's are now up on the Mainland website.  I can't remember from last year, but in the 18's wasn't there a school league and an club league last year?  Seems they are all combined into one.  I maybe wrong, not that it happens often. 


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Global Game wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

I would like to float one idea which answers your question:

Who runs Ole now.
 


JV, you are talking real-politics now. What's most important here? Surely it's about us having the systems in place to say with a reasonable level of confidence to a national youth coach: here are the best 30-40 kids in the age group. Now go pick a squad. Nothing else should come into it. Too idealistic?
is it not Declan Edge?

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Jeff Vader wrote:
Global Game wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

I would like to float one idea which answers your question:

Who runs Ole now.
 


JV, you are talking real-politics now. What's most important here? Surely it's about us having the systems in place to say with a reasonable level of confidence to a national youth coach: here are the best 30-40 kids in the age group. Now go pick a squad. Nothing else should come into it. Too idealistic?
is it not Declan Edge?



Pass, but what's your point?

Remembering the question was about fair opportunity, and this is a mainland juniors thread. 

Presumably you are suggesting ole kids are excluded because of mr edge.

Ole, and edge, do have a pretty good history of producing players capable of playing at a level above ASBP.  As do others who don't necessarily fit a nice clean corporate box - Fallon, Rufer spring to mind.

A coach never cares where a kid is from and as leggy said a coach picks a team, not an organisation. Where a kid is learning his football trade ( and with whom) should be irrelevant when it comes to opportunity for selection.

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Global Game wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
Global Game wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

I would like to float one idea which answers your question:

Who runs Ole now.
 


JV, you are talking real-politics now. What's most important here? Surely it's about us having the systems in place to say with a reasonable level of confidence to a national youth coach: here are the best 30-40 kids in the age group. Now go pick a squad. Nothing else should come into it. Too idealistic?
is it not Declan Edge?



Pass, but what's your point?

Remembering the question was about fair opportunity, and this is a mainland juniors thread. 

Presumably you are suggesting ole kids are excluded because of mr edge.

Ole, and edge, do have a pretty good history of producing players capable of playing at a level above ASBP.  As do others who don't necessarily fit a nice clean corporate box - Fallon, Rufer spring to mind.

A coach never cares where a kid is from and as leggy said a coach picks a team, not an organisation. Where a kid is learning his football trade ( and with whom) should be irrelevant when it comes to opportunity for selection.

 

Succinctly put and I agree 100%.
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Smithy wrote:
Global Game wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
Global Game wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

I would like to float one idea which answers your question:

Who runs Ole now.
 


JV, you are talking real-politics now. What's most important here? Surely it's about us having the systems in place to say with a reasonable level of confidence to a national youth coach: here are the best 30-40 kids in the age group. Now go pick a squad. Nothing else should come into it. Too idealistic?
is it not Declan Edge?



Pass, but what's your point?

Remembering the question was about fair opportunity, and this is a mainland juniors thread. 

Presumably you are suggesting ole kids are excluded because of mr edge.

Ole, and edge, do have a pretty good history of producing players capable of playing at a level above ASBP.  As do others who don't necessarily fit a nice clean corporate box - Fallon, Rufer spring to mind.

A coach never cares where a kid is from and as leggy said a coach picks a team, not an organisation. Where a kid is learning his football trade ( and with whom) should be irrelevant when it comes to opportunity for selection.

 


Succinctly put and I agree 100%.

Unfortunately though as much as that should be the case, apparently not in New Zealand. Maybe it should be A Real Coach------

Currently in Canterbury you have to attend FTC although that may change as The Christchurch Academy comes on stream. Clearly sanctioned by the Board and CEO and intending to work at ages covered by FTC.

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Global Game wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
Global Game wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

I would like to float one idea which answers your question:

Who runs Ole now.


JV, you are talking real-politics now. What's most important here? Surely it's about us having the systems in place to say with a reasonable level of confidence to a national youth coach: here are the best 30-40 kids in the age group. Now go pick a squad. Nothing else should come into it. Too idealistic?
is it not Declan Edge?
Pass, but what's your point?

Remembering the question was about fair opportunity, and this is a mainland juniors thread. 

Presumably you are suggesting ole kids are excluded because of mr edge.

Ole, and edge, do have a pretty good history of producing players capable of playing at a level above ASBP.  As do others who don't necessarily fit a nice clean corporate box - Fallon, Rufer spring to mind.

A coach never cares where a kid is from and as leggy said a coach picks a team, not an organisation. Where a kid is learning his football trade ( and with whom) should be irrelevant when it comes to opportunity for selection.

The point I was making was that Declan rarely lets his kids out of his sight so the reason they may not be involved in these programs is not because they have been excluded, but because their coach does not let them.... Moyyim asked if Ole kids were excluded and Smithy said they were not as far as he knew. Hence they may not actually be excluded. Its just they may not be allowed to participate.

 

Whats to say other places are not like this?


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Jeff Vader wrote:

Global Game wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
Global Game wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

I would like to float one idea which answers your question:

Who runs Ole now.


JV, you are talking real-politics now. What's most important here? Surely it's about us having the systems in place to say with a reasonable level of confidence to a national youth coach: here are the best 30-40 kids in the age group. Now go pick a squad. Nothing else should come into it. Too idealistic?
is it not Declan Edge?
Pass, but what's your point?

Remembering the question was about fair opportunity, and this is a mainland juniors thread. 

Presumably you are suggesting ole kids are excluded because of mr edge.

Ole, and edge, do have a pretty good history of producing players capable of playing at a level above ASBP.  As do others who don't necessarily fit a nice clean corporate box - Fallon, Rufer spring to mind.

A coach never cares where a kid is from and as leggy said a coach picks a team, not an organisation. Where a kid is learning his football trade ( and with whom) should be irrelevant when it comes to opportunity for selection.

The point I was making was that Declan rarely lets his kids out of his sight so the reason they may not be involved in these programs is not because they have been excluded, but because their coach does not let them.... Moyyim asked if Ole kids were excluded and Smithy said they were not as far as he knew. Hence they may not actually be excluded. Its just they may not be allowed to participate.

 

Whats to say other places are not like this?



Fair enough then (and that is a choice to make). APFA in Chch demanded total control of  a kid's sporting activity; guessing nothing will have changed now they are running WPFA in Wgtn. The problem comes when NZF/feds start applying the rule in an uneven manner - as is the case right now.
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VimFuego wrote:

I see that 18's and 13's are now up on the Mainland website.  I can't remember from last year, but in the 18's wasn't there a school league and an club league last year?  Seems they are all combined into one.  I maybe wrong, not that it happens often. 



Looks like all grades are up now. Less teams at 13th and 14th grade than last season.

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Yer I think school teams are having a big effect this year. Definitely the boys in those age groups I know and all the transfers on the clearances page.  Sooner we get rid of them the better I reckon.

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5 schools with sides in 14th Grade?



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foal30 wrote:

5 schools with sides in 14th Grade?



Quite obvious isn't. CTFC hold numbers reasonably well because our major  High Schools do not play Saturday.

Cash High - Hillmorton - Linwood.

The impact on other clubs is ridiculous. Just as ridiculous is the situation where FC2011 can not field an A stream 10th grade.

Suddenly though Uni. can with the help and support from Mainland.

 

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Club killer, clubs should look at pulling out of all grades where school teams have been allowed to enter imo.

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Actually 10 school sides in 14th Grade (Div 2 - 4)

6 more in 15th Grade

That's 200 players out of the clubs. 

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frontpage of Mainland website

"despite season being 1 week away clubs still looking for players"...


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foal30 wrote:

Actually 10 school sides in 14th Grade (Div 2 - 4)

6 more in 15th Grade

That's 200 players out of the clubs. 


No different to how its been for a while - is it?
CBHS, SBHS, Bedes, Christs, STAC all enter sides at 14th grade. I wonder if Mainland's  new "get tough on playing in age group" policy will apply to first XIs? Can't see how it will be enforced tbh, and dont think it should be for school boys first XIs  - BUT if they are playing against club 18th grade sides who are only playing 17 and 18 years olds (and excluded from playing good 15/16 year olds), then it not really a level playing field is it?
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Global Game wrote:
foal30 wrote:

Actually 10 school sides in 14th Grade (Div 2 - 4)

6 more in 15th Grade

That's 200 players out of the clubs. 


No different to how its been for a while - is it?
CBHS, SBHS, Bedes, Christs, STAC all enter sides at 14th grade. I wonder if Mainland's  new "get tough on playing in age group" policy will apply to first XIs? Can't see how it will be enforced tbh, and dont think it should be for school boys first XIs  - BUT if they are playing against club 18th grade sides who are only playing 17 and 18 years olds (and excluded from playing good 15/16 year olds), then it not really a level playing field is it?

In Auckland the school teams play Saturday and the U17 and U19 club grades play Sunday - so players involved in both play Saturdays for school and Sundays for club. Is there a different setup in Christchurch?
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Global Game wrote:
foal30 wrote:

Actually 10 school sides in 14th Grade (Div 2 - 4)

6 more in 15th Grade

That's 200 players out of the clubs. 


No different to how its been for a while - is it?
CBHS, SBHS, Bedes, Christs, STAC all enter sides at 14th grade. I wonder if Mainland's  new "get tough on playing in age group" policy will apply to first XIs? Can't see how it will be enforced tbh, and dont think it should be for school boys first XIs  - BUT if they are playing against club 18th grade sides who are only playing 17 and 18 years olds (and excluded from playing good 15/16 year olds), then it not really a level playing field is it?
"dont think it should be for school boys first XIs "... 
Why different rules for schools??? Let them do what they want on Wednesdays I'd say. If they play in Saturday competition the they should follow the same rules. As it is they pull kids out of clubs after they have invested in them since age 5, use them for a few years, often with pretty poor coaching, and when they leave school they more often than not quit altogether. Why??
Hear several clubs are playing a number of their teams (yes whole teams, not just a few players) up one grade. That is nonsense.
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Global Game wrote:
foal30 wrote:

Actually 10 school sides in 14th Grade (Div 2 - 4)

6 more in 15th Grade

That's 200 players out of the clubs. 


No different to how its been for a while - is it?
CBHS, SBHS, Bedes, Christs, STAC all enter sides at 14th grade. I wonder if Mainland's  new "get tough on playing in age group" policy will apply to first XIs? Can't see how it will be enforced tbh, and dont think it should be for school boys first XIs  - BUT if they are playing against club 18th grade sides who are only playing 17 and 18 years olds (and excluded from playing good 15/16 year olds), then it not really a level playing field is it?

I don't know how (historically) school numbers have stacked up.
Yet to hear if "Mainland get tough on age grade" is any different to last season, which was widely ignored by a number of clubs. 
10CC, the club that best tried to play "in grade" 2013 seems to have changed their viewpoint considerably. Two things apply here, firstly pressure from players/family's and secondly if they have no confidence in other clubs following the guidelines why should they? Potentially are they also trying to shelter themselves from the new neighbor?? That is a pretty serious thing Fred said about 10th Grade, it beggars belief they can't field a side...
I don't want to be Mr Doom and Gloom but I'm picking  bad high score blow outs in at least 5 Div1/Div2 grades pre Easter. Hopefully less than the 20's we've seen in both the 2012 and 2013 seasons. If we want the Saturday Grades to have some sort of competitive or 'struggle' component then we need Uniformity over selection rules and Pre-Season Grading?
I also feel this gets said every year!

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foal30 wrote:
Global Game wrote:
foal30 wrote:

Actually 10 school sides in 14th Grade (Div 2 - 4)

6 more in 15th Grade

That's 200 players out of the clubs. 


No different to how its been for a while - is it?
CBHS, SBHS, Bedes, Christs, STAC all enter sides at 14th grade. I wonder if Mainland's  new "get tough on playing in age group" policy will apply to first XIs? Can't see how it will be enforced tbh, and dont think it should be for school boys first XIs  - BUT if they are playing against club 18th grade sides who are only playing 17 and 18 years olds (and excluded from playing good 15/16 year olds), then it not really a level playing field is it?


I don't know how (historically) school numbers have stacked up.

Yet to hear if "Mainland get tough on age grade" is any different to last season, which was widely ignored by a number of clubs. 

10CC, the club that best tried to play "in grade" 2013 seems to have changed their viewpoint considerably. Two things apply here, firstly pressure from players/family's and secondly if they have no confidence in other clubs following the guidelines why should they? Potentially are they also trying to shelter themselves from the new neighbor?? That is a pretty serious thing Fred said about 10th Grade, it beggars belief they can't field a side...

I don't want to be Mr Doom and Gloom but I'm picking  bad high score blow outs in at least 5 Div1/Div2 grades pre Easter. Hopefully less than the 20's we've seen in both the 2012 and 2013 seasons. If we want the Saturday Grades to have some sort of competitive or 'struggle' component then we need Uniformity over selection rules and Pre-Season Grading?

I also feel this gets said every year!


Agree totally Foal. Fc2011 is to commended for that. Trouble is are they guidelines or rules? MF has a history a trying to enforce guidelines whilst at the same time allowing disregard to rules (something they are guilty of themselves through ignorance or otherwise). 

They fail miserably at both, so how anyone is supposed to know the set parameters from one season to the next, even within a season, has totally escaped them.

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Check out the post today on the CF governance thread re schools clubs and fed approach to it. Lol

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Yer at least we can take heart that we're not the only ones.

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Bit sneaky of IFANZ to start advertising on other club's facebook pages for players to join them instead of their club!

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Hi VimFuego

Just so you know IFANZ is not a club, it is an Academy and we have players training with us from 10 different clubs through out Canterbury, our program is available to any player that wants to trial.

Should you require any further information then please visit our website at www.ifanz.co.nz or email us at [email protected]

Regards

IFANZ


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ifanz wrote:

Hi VimFuego

Just so you know IFANZ is not a club, it is an Academy and we have players training with us from 10 different clubs through out Canterbury, our program is available to any player that wants to trial.

Should you require any further information then please visit our website at www.ifanz.co.nz or email us at [email protected]

Regards

IFANZ


Hmmmm ..... so what's the relationship with Waimak and Selwyn Ifanz?
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Ronaldoknow wrote:
ifanz wrote:

Hi VimFuego

Just so you know IFANZ is not a club, it is an Academy and we have players training with us from 10 different clubs through out Canterbury, our program is available to any player that wants to trial.

Should you require any further information then please visit our website at www.ifanz.co.nz or email us at [email protected]

Regards

IFANZ


Hmmmm ..... so what's the relationship with Waimak and Selwyn Ifanz?

Why not get Mainland to push it? Get Mike to give it a mention in his newsletter.

Oh no they only push FTC and endorse the new programme at Yaldhurst for ex FC2011 lads.

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Ronaldoknow wrote:
ifanz wrote:

Hi VimFuego

Just so you know IFANZ is not a club, it is an Academy and we have players training with us from 10 different clubs through out Canterbury, our program is available to any player that wants to trial.

Should you require any further information then please visit our website at www.ifanz.co.nz or email us at [email protected]

Regards

IFANZ


Hmmmm ..... so what's the relationship with Waimak and Selwyn Ifanz?

Why not get Mainland to push it? Get Mike to give it a mention in his newsletter.

Oh no they only push FTC and endorse the new programme at Yaldhurst for ex FC2011 lads.

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ifanz wrote:

Hi VimFuego

Just so you know IFANZ is not a club, it is an Academy and we have players training with us from 10 different clubs through out Canterbury, our program is available to any player that wants to trial.

Should you require any further information then please visit our website at www.ifanz.co.nz or email us at [email protected]

Regards

IFANZ



I may have been confused between that one and the other academy that has started up that has teams in the Mainland grade. There's just so many out there and they keep changing their names it's hard to keep up!

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