I know with the on going issues with the quakes the ChCh City Council / City Care are extremely busy but in recent weeks I have noticed that parks are in the need of a good mow and even a roll. Too late now that the southerly has finally but hard to play decent footy on a cow paddock.
AllWhites822011-07-12 19:51:36Mainland Premier League (Part 1)
If there was thunder about then the worry would be for lightning strike as well so player safety must come first.
A few years back I recall a whole team being killed in a lighting strike, some where in Africa, Ii think there have be other cases of players being killed as well.
[/QUOTE] But every other first division game went ahead.[/QUOTE]
From tonight's Nelsn Evening Mail (see below)
The battle for the Nelson Pine Industries men's division one football crown remains no clearer after the top-of-the-table clash between Richmond Athletic and the Marlborough Mariners was called off on Saturday.
The referee pulled the pin on the match before kick-off at Jubilee Park due to thunder and lightning.
The Blenheim-based Mariners had already arrived in Richmond, meaning they had to turn around and head back home without kicking a ball.
It means Richmond, last season's champions, now have three catch-up matches to play.
In the fixtures that did go ahead, the Nelson Suburbs First XI had to come back from a goal down to get past FC Nelson Metro 3-1 at Saxton Field.
Lee Stirling opened the scoring for Metro soon after the halftime break.
Ross McPhie equalised 10 minutes later, and Nathaniel Payn gave his side the lead on the 70-minute mark.
Player-coach Mark Sheehan made the result secure with a 87th minute header.
At Guppy Park, FC Nelson United beat FC Nelson College 3-0. United's Sean Parkes missed a penalty after 25 minutes, but his side got on the score sheet twice before the break.
Hram had a simple tap in after 35 minutes, after good work by Derryn French down the flank, while another cross allowed Jonny Gough to score.
Parkes, the team's top scorer, rounded out the scoring action in the second half with a brilliant solo effort, beating three defenders before knocking the ball in at the far post.
Points: Marlborough Mariners 29, Richmond Athletic 28, FC Nelson United 16, FC Nelson College 13, Nelson Suburbs 13, FC Nelson Metro 0.
I know with the on going issues with the quakes the ChCh City Council / City Care are extremely busy but in recent weeks I have noticed that parks are in the need of a good mow and even a roll. Too late now that the southerly has finally but hard to play decent footy on a cow paddock.
From tonight's Nelsn Evening Mail (see below)
The battle for the Nelson Pine Industries men's division one football crown remains no clearer after the top-of-the-table clash between Richmond Athletic and the Marlborough Mariners was called off on Saturday.
Points: Marlborough Mariners 29, Richmond Athletic 28, FC Nelson United 16, FC Nelson College 13, Nelson Suburbs 13, FC Nelson Metro 0.
On the Sporting Pulse website it shows Richmond on 28 and Marlborough on 26, updated today - Last Uploaded : Tue 12-Jul-2011 13:01:42
FMD Richmond still have 10 league games to go and FC2011 finish their Div 1 competition in 3 more games. Even if Mainland throw in a league cup competition it leaves them several weeks short of competitive games going into the play offs. 10 weeks from now takes us into October for the start of the play offs. That's crazy. Will they play Saturday/Sunday like we have down here to get the league finished sooner? They shouldn't have cancelled Saturday, there was no danger to players and all other games went ahead, what the hell is going on?
I'd say it's a conspiracy!!!!
They shouldn't have cancelled Saturday, there was no danger to players and all other games went ahead, what the hell is going on?
Clearly the referee must have felt there was some danger.
Clearly�the referee must have felt there was some danger.
I was in Nelson at the Coastal/Suburbs game, the thunder and lightening was intermittent and in the hills and no danger to anyone. Was quite exciting flying out through it. All other games proceeded. The only possible explanation was that the ground was either dangerous or unplayable. Given the state it was in after the Chatham Cup game that is quite possible but it would have been no worse than Saxton Fields. Ronaldoknow2011-07-12 21:39:16
FMD Richmond still have 10 league games to go and FC2011 finish their Div 1 competition in 3 more games. Even if Mainland throw in a league cup competition it leaves them several weeks short of competitive games going into the play offs. 10 weeks from now takes us into October for the start of the play offs. That's crazy. Will they play Saturday/Sunday like we have down here to get the league finished sooner?
Maybe Mainland believed the hype and thought Richmond should have already won their league by now?
Clearly�the referee must have felt there was some danger.
I was in Nelson at the Coastal/Suburbs game, the thunder and lightening was intermittent and in the hills and no danger to anyone. Was quite exciting flying out through it. All other games proceeded. The only possible explanation was that the ground was either dangerous or unplayable. Given the state it was in after the Chatham Cup game that is quite possible but it would have been no worse than Saxton Fields.
There's plenty of spare fields around too. Game should have gone ahead.
Player Development - so we all agree an 'academy' style hothouse - 10,000 hrs principle and all that is good for player devt, right? Pro clubs all recognise this. Big diff here is that in a small backwater with too many clubs and not enough numbers, no club is able to offer anything like a true 'academy' experience. OK Coastal & Nelson Subs have started something - good on them - but it's nothing like the real deal. Pro academies don't waste their time playing in club Sat leagues but they do play games as part of development. Honestly don't see what's wrong with Mainland providing some sort of academy experience to players whilst the clubs catch up in the meantime. They are filling a gap. To me whether they play in Sat leagues is a question of what's best for their devt. To date Coastal and Mainland seem to think so but it's not what happens in other parts of the football world, is it?
clubs will not 'catch up' while the players they developed are then poached into an Elitist Academy. Football is a team sport not this insane concept of getting my kid signed to a pro team.
It's also arguable those sides are any better than the club teams individuals have left.Certainly the club my whanau belongs to has had teams of a higher standard than what the Academy could present. It's also clear that financial ability is as important as football ability. This perpetuates into the Rep program and directly forces good players out off the game.
IMO it is a huge assumption to think that any Academy or Rep program is purely a football selection exercise. And once it starts it is very hard to change/adjust.
Player Devt/Academy sub thread:
Ronaldoknow - I agree in principle with devt in local catchment area as it is all about developing the game in your own backyard. BUT clubs need the qualified peronnel and resources to be able to offer it. From my perspective a club has to be broad-church - ie cater for players of all abilities; but for the top 1-2% I agree they should have higher aspirations than playing in the flippin Mainland league.
And Foal, what on earth is wrong with kids having those aspirations? Bill Tuiloma is trialling for LA Galaxy and he was only as good as a current certain Coastal player of similar age when they played each other a couple of years back. Money should NEVER be a reason not to make a rep team. Mainland have a player hardship fund, don't they?
Ronaldoknow - I agree in principle with devt in local catchment area as it is all about developing the game in your own backyard. BUT clubs need the qualified peronnel and resources to be able to offer it. From my perspective a club has to be broad-church - ie cater for players of all abilities; but for the top 1-2% I agree they should have higher aspirations than playing in the flippin Mainland league.
And Foal, what on earth is wrong with kids having those aspirations? Bill Tuiloma is trialling for LA Galaxy and he was only as good as a current certain Coastal player of similar age when they played each other a couple of years back. Money should NEVER be a reason not to make a rep team. Mainland have a player hardship fund, don't they?
Foal - Stretford End2011-07-13 09:24:47
Foal - what's your real beef? Sour grapes or simply a different concept of picking a team? Your implication that ability to PAY comes before ability to PLAY has got to be a load of old horse$#@! doesn't it? Sure rep teams cost money to kit, transport, feed, accommodate and that has to come from somewhere but do rep selectors ask to see copies of household income before before selecting a kid? Ask the selectors what the criteria for selection is- potential? all round technical ability? biggest/fastest/strongest? Are they selecting a team to win today (by playing sh*te football) or are they selecting a team with the potential to really play the game? Mainland's hardship fund should cover any ability to pay issue.
Foal - what's your real beef? Sour grapes or simply a different concept of picking a team? Your implication that ability to PAY comes before ability to PLAY has got to be a load of old horse$#@! doesn't it? Sure rep teams cost money to kit, transport, feed, accommodate and that has to come from somewhere but do rep selectors ask to see copies of household income before before selecting a kid? Ask the selectors what the criteria for selection is- potential? all round technical ability? biggest/fastest/strongest? Are they selecting a team to win today (by playing sh*te football) or are they selecting a team with the potential to really play the game? Mainland's hardship fund should cover any ability to pay issue.
Yep it's all sour grapes. It's all about me and I have no desire to support my club or the betterment of junior football. In fact all I care about is my eldest son who is in the top 1 or 2%.
actually that reads more antagonistic than I meant it SE, sorry.
My priority is not on Mainland (or whoever) focusing on the top 1 or 2%. However when it is time to develop and organize what we may call 'high achievers' the process needs to be transparent and still considering the needs and standards of the entire Association/Federation.
I do not wish any of this to read as "my favorite player didn't get picked".
My priority is not on Mainland (or whoever) focusing on the top 1 or 2%. However when it is time to develop and organize what we may call 'high achievers' the process needs to be transparent and still considering the needs and standards of the entire Association/Federation.
I do not wish any of this to read as "my favorite player didn't get picked".
From what I hear Foal, NZF currently working with all the feds on the talent pathway for all levels. Guess they'll announce something when they've got it sorted #dontholdyourbreath!
Player Devt/Academy sub thread:
Ronaldoknow - I agree in principle with devt in local catchment area as it is all about developing the game in your own backyard. [bold]BUT clubs need the qualified peronnel and resources to be able to offer it[/bold][/QUOTE].
Absodoodle. And this is the area Mainland should be operating in. Identify key clubs in key areas and stick the FDO's in there, get them on the grass and get them working. make the WOF programme accountable to the clubs and get the double whammy from that scenario, meanwhile backing it up with topline administrative support. This is now starting to happen with Colin Grant getting out and about with his new role of game development manager.
3-0. Going strong. All kids are essentially dreamers, some of us never recover.
[QUOTE=Stretford End]Bill Tuiloma is trialling for LA Galaxy and he was only as good as a current certain Coastal player of similar age when they played each other a couple of years back. Money should NEVER be a reason not to make a rep team. Mainland have a player hardship fund, don't they?
Ronaldoknow - I agree in principle with devt in local catchment area as it is all about developing the game in your own backyard. [bold]BUT clubs need the qualified peronnel and resources to be able to offer it[/bold][/QUOTE].
Absodoodle. And this is the area Mainland should be operating in. Identify key clubs in key areas and stick the FDO's in there, get them on the grass and get them working. make the WOF programme accountable to the clubs and get the double whammy from that scenario, meanwhile backing it up with topline administrative support. This is now starting to happen with Colin Grant getting out and about with his new role of game development manager.
From my perspective a club has to be broad-church - ie cater for players of all abilities; but for the top 1-2% I agree they should have higher aspirations than playing in the flippin Mainland league.[/QUOTE]
2-0. Those identified clubs then must market the game to everybody in their area, liaise with schools etc. Start shifting the soil to uncover those nuggets that would benefit from a properly structured development programme while the social stream are still catered to.
[QUOTE=Stretford End]And Foal, what on earth is wrong with kids having those aspirations?
2-0. Those identified clubs then must market the game to everybody in their area, liaise with schools etc. Start shifting the soil to uncover those nuggets that would benefit from a properly structured development programme while the social stream are still catered to.
[QUOTE=Stretford End]And Foal, what on earth is wrong with kids having those aspirations?
3-0. Going strong. All kids are essentially dreamers, some of us never recover.
[QUOTE=Stretford End]Bill Tuiloma is trialling for LA Galaxy and he was only as good as a current certain Coastal player of similar age when they played each other a couple of years back. Money should NEVER be a reason not to make a rep team. Mainland have a player hardship fund, don't they?
4-0. Game over. My own club is guilty of excluding kids from the beautiful game on financial grounds, with Junior subs at $100 no wonder Rugby League has such a foothold in our area (Celebration Lions, Linwood Keas, Aranui Sea Eagles) where the junior subs range from free to $35. Even rugby with a $50 sub can't compete. In the past we have supported rep players with a $50 donation but even that has become financially out of our reach with 20 odd players making the grade last year. Maybe that's where Mainland should stick their hardship money? I know when Mike Coggan came out to the club recently to get some guidance from us on how they could distribute the $115,000 they had put aside for a relief fund he wanted to know if we could identify who was no longer in the game for financial reasons. We answered honestly and said we did not have that data nor could we provide it. At Coastal we know of only 6 kids no longer with the club for earthquake related reasons, however the club is looking at a massive hole in its budget due to loss of income from Bexley so how about making a grant to the clubs like us affected through loss of facilities? It will be interesting to see the outcome of any decision. Key criteria should be the non-payment of senior players to qualify. Now wouldn't that be a doozy of a decision!
4-0. Game over. My own club is guilty of excluding kids from the beautiful game on financial grounds, with Junior subs at $100 no wonder Rugby League has such a foothold in our area (Celebration Lions, Linwood Keas, Aranui Sea Eagles) where the junior subs range from free to $35. Even rugby with a $50 sub can't compete. In the past we have supported rep players with a $50 donation but even that has become financially out of our reach with 20 odd players making the grade last year. Maybe that's where Mainland should stick their hardship money? I know when Mike Coggan came out to the club recently to get some guidance from us on how they could distribute the $115,000 they had put aside for a relief fund he wanted to know if we could identify who was no longer in the game for financial reasons. We answered honestly and said we did not have that data nor could we provide it. At Coastal we know of only 6 kids no longer with the club for earthquake related reasons, however the club is looking at a massive hole in its budget due to loss of income from Bexley so how about making a grant to the clubs like us affected through loss of facilities? It will be interesting to see the outcome of any decision. Key criteria should be the non-payment of senior players to qualify. Now wouldn't that be a doozy of a decision!
Agree absolutely!
I was at the Tech v ChCh United game last week. Tech had a player sent off (2 yellows). If Keith had been coach I dare say the officials would have received an earful from him !!!!!
Mens Premier results for tomorrow:
(Pommy BBC accent and cadence)
Nomads 1, Nelson 3
Ferrymead Bays 3, Halswell 0
Western 0, Woolston Technical 0
Christchurch United 1, Coastal Spirit 1
Womens Prems
Universities 0, Woolston Technical 4
Womens Knock Out
Coastal Spirit 2, Western 1
(Pommy BBC accent and cadence)
Nomads 1, Nelson 3
Ferrymead Bays 3, Halswell 0
Western 0, Woolston Technical 0
Christchurch United 1, Coastal Spirit 1
Womens Prems
Universities 0, Woolston Technical 4
Womens Knock Out
Coastal Spirit 2, Western 1
Mens Premier results for tomorrow:
(Pommy BBC accent and cadence)
Nomads 1, Nelson 3
Ferrymead Bays 3, Halswell 0
Western 0, Woolston Technical 0
Christchurch United 1, Coastal Spirit 1
Womens Prems
Universities 0, Woolston Technical 4
Womens Knock Out
Coastal Spirit 2, Western 1
(Pommy BBC accent and cadence)
Nomads 1, Nelson 3
Ferrymead Bays 3, Halswell 0
Western 0, Woolston Technical 0
Christchurch United 1, Coastal Spirit 1
Womens Prems
Universities 0, Woolston Technical 4
Womens Knock Out
Coastal Spirit 2, Western 1
The Nelson game will be interesting as Nayland College are playing in Australia at the moment.
Which means no Gagame Feni, no Jerry Donga, no Isaiah Dayman. Three pretty handy starting players.
Good tipping info LG. I revise that prediction to Nomads 1, Nelson Suburbs 2. Nelson need to win to stay in touch with Ferrymead Buys.
Mens Premier Picks
Nomads 2 Nelson 3
Ferrymead Bays 2 Halswell 2
Western 1 Woolston Technical 2
Nomads 2 Nelson 3
Ferrymead Bays 2 Halswell 2
Western 1 Woolston Technical 2
Christchurch United 1 Coastal Spirit 2
Womens Prems
Universities 0 Woolston Technical 3
Womens Knock Out
Coastal Spirit 4 Western 1
AllWhites822011-07-15 18:34:05
Womens Prems
Universities 0 Woolston Technical 3
Womens Knock Out
Coastal Spirit 4 Western 1
Calling all Hawks, whats the inside word.
I see that Halswell have signed a 'Jock' born striker Gordon MacDonald, International Transfer completed during the week, has anyone seen him train.
What are the rules? Not that it's that crucial atm, but just in case it was a close call to win or be relegated right?
International transfers = ok
Interfederation transfers = ok
Interclub transfers = not
International transfers = ok
Interfederation transfers = ok
Interclub transfers = not
What are the rules? Not that it's that crucial atm, but just in case it was a close call to win or be relegated right?
International transfers = ok
Interfederation transfers = ok
Interclub transfers = not
International transfers = ok
Interfederation transfers = ok
Interclub transfers = not
Interclub (within a Fed) deadline was end of June.
Calling all Hawks, whats the inside word.
I see that Halswell have signed a 'Jock' born striker Gordon MacDonald, International Transfer completed during the week, has anyone seen him train.
Calling all Hawks, whats the inside word.
I see that Halswell have signed a 'Jock'�born striker Gordon MacDonald, International Transfer completed during the week, has anyone seen him train.�
Don't look to hard -
Bays 4 Halswell 1
Tech 0 Western 1
United 0 Coastal 2
Nomads 2 Nelson 1, upset of the season.
Womens knockout Cup Western 0 Coastal 2. Dunedin here we come.
Ronaldoknow2011-07-16 17:10:52
Well that could be the season done and dusted with Bays winning and Nelson losing. 8 point lead with 6 games to play. 8 point gap at the bottom so perhaps a little look over the shoulder from Utd to Nomads...
Don't look to hard -
Bays 4 Halswell 1
Tech 0 Western 1
United 0 Coastal 2
Nomads 2 Nelson 1, upset of the season.
Womens knockout Cup Western 0 Coastal 2. Dunedin here we come.
[/QUOTE]
AllWhites822011-07-16 17:49:19
Bays 4 Halswell 1
Tech 0 Western 1
United 0 Coastal 2
Nomads 2 Nelson 1, upset of the season.
Womens knockout Cup Western 0 Coastal 2. Dunedin here we come.
[/QUOTE]
Correction
Nomads 2 Nelson Suburbs 0
In the Women's KO game it was a Coastal home game
Also in the Women's PFL
University 0 Woolston Tech 6
Bays 4 Halswell 1
Tech 0 Western 1
United 0 Coastal 2
Nomads 2 Nelson 1, upset of the season.
Any slim chance tech had of reclaiming the title is gone now. Bays gamble has payed off
Tech 0 Western 1
United 0 Coastal 2
Nomads 2 Nelson 1, upset of the season.
Any slim chance tech had of reclaiming the title is gone now. Bays gamble has payed off
(pardon the pun). Any match reports. Saw about 20 minutes of the first half of Nomads game, wind didn't help but was like watching paint dry.
Forgot all about it given our own teams chances at winning the league.
Coastal vs Utd report:
Wind was massive, favouring Utd in the first half. Hard for anyone to get a hold on the ball. Coastal did well to score from a cross, first goal by Turnbull, and Moir smashed in a nice goal. 2-0 at half and at full time. 2nd half Coastal dominated with the wind and Utd struggled to get out of their own half, when they did on occasion they could have scored. 2-0 at the end.
Wind was massive, favouring Utd in the first half. Hard for anyone to get a hold on the ball. Coastal did well to score from a cross, first goal by Turnbull, and Moir smashed in a nice goal. 2-0 at half and at full time. 2nd half Coastal dominated with the wind and Utd struggled to get out of their own half, when they did on occasion they could have scored. 2-0 at the end.
Saw the Bays / Halswell game was not that great, looking back in the past few years and comparing Bays of 2011 they are not a patch on the Nelson Suburbs side that won the league in 2008 or the Tech side last year.
Said it before the overall standard of the league this season is poor, with only the top three side with a positive goal difference.
Some talk of a 10 ten Mainland PFL which I hope is just talk, as this is likey to make the league even poorer, maybe best if Richmond comes in next season.
Hopefully FootballSouth will see the light and have an eight team league as well which would them allow a spilt with the top / bottom four from each league after two full rounds of each of the Mainland ans FootballSouth PFL.l
Bays 4 Halswell 1 Tech 0 Western 1 United 0 Coastal 2 Nomads 2 Nelson 1, upset of the season.�Any slim chance tech had of reclaiming the title�is gone now. Bays gamble has payed off
(pardon the pun). Any match reports. Saw�about 20 minutes of the first half of Nomads game, wind didn't help but was like watching paint dry.�
United Coastal game was a fairly free flowing game in spite of the strong southerly blowing down the pitch with Coastal easily the better side and could easily been up 3 or 4 nil by half time. Ando off at half time for United saw Coastal take a strong grip on the game for the next 25 minutes but couldn't add to the 2-0 half time scoreline. United then gained some parity in the last 20 but couldn't buy a goal (Matty Thomas making one spectacular save form a 30 yard effort that would have gone in)with some fairly insipid attacking play. Goal of the game a cracking right foot first time volley from Dan Moir half way through the first half.
Men's Update Table
AllWhites822011-07-16 18:38:48
|
P |
W |
D |
L |
F |
A |
GD |
Pts |
|
|
Ferrymead Bays |
16 |
10 |
5 |
1 |
48 |
18 |
30 |
35 |
|
Nelson Suburbs |
16 |
8 |
3 |
5 |
38 |
29 |
9 |
27 |
|
Woolston Technical |
16 |
7 |
4 |
5 |
27 |
20 |
7 |
25 |
|
Western |
16 |
7 |
2 |
7 |
22 |
27 |
-5 |
23 |
|
Coastal Spirit |
16 |
6 |
4 |
6 |
22 |
24 |
-2 |
22 |
|
Halswell United |
16 |
5 |
6 |
5 |
22 |
26 |
-4 |
21 |
|
Christchurch United |
16 |
4 |
4 |
8 |
16 |
31 |
-15 |
16 |
|
Nomads United |
16 |
2 |
2 |
12 |
11 |
31 |
-20 |
8 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Women's Undated Table
AllWhites822011-07-16 18:40:53
Well that could be the season done and dusted with Bays winning and Nelson losing. 8 point lead with 6 games to play. 8 point gap at the bottom so perhaps a little look over the shoulder from Utd to Nomads...
So Nomads need to win 3 out of 5 & Utd lose all 5 remaining games to be safe. Nomads remaining opponents in order are Halswell (a), Tech (h), Coastal (a), United (h) & Western (a). Which 3 can you see them beating? Maybe Halswell & United but that's about it. Gone burger.