Mainland Premier League (Part 2)

Well considering Nelson are the national youth league champions and Nelson College won the school nationals you'd think at least one player from there would make it...

Is there "Nelson" players named but playing/training elsewhere?

NTC camps are well viewed by NZF personel - south island included. This might hurt a few people but its not the lack of visibility thats holding the south island back but the talent. there is disparity between the two islands and its not until you witness the level of football in auckland/wellington etc that it becomes obvious. The idea and practice of quantity not quality of the training in the south island needs to change.

I agree we had young lad Roddie come done from Auckland and he technically better than anything I'd seen of his age .

So I agree it's not the visibility , is our ftc programmes helping these players or hampering 

I thought young Ben Stroud was very unlucky not to be selected , he trained with Tech at the end of the season and he improved a lot with his time at the nix . 

Is it coaching 

Is it lack of competition

Do clubs need to invest in more coaches have academy's where they can try and seek games against other academies in nz 

I do know something we need to as fraternity seek a way to get our young lads better equiped to be selected 

Nope. Sam Wilson, a former Falcon/Nelson College player, was in the squad for qualifiers and now not selected for the world cup. He was the starting left-back then and has played ASB Premiership with the Phoenix kids.

I know it's not the be-all and end-all but no Christchurch team came close to reaching the top eight at the national secondary schools championship. Another question is why they're not doing better there?

School sport in Auckland is "huge" across a lot of" codes". A lot of money is spent on recruiting and coaching . I spoke to a principal of a prestigious school in Auckland while watching a first 15 game . A lot of talk about sports . then we shifted the conversation to academics . I'm guessing it was tongue in cheek but his reply was "who cares about academics" . compare that to a school like papanui high who are just a bunch of players that happen to live in the same area so therefore go to the same school. The big question is " who will still be playing at there peak age of 23 - 26 . " 

How successful have academies been in  Christchurch? Currently it is PA's 0, FTC 2. The gossip I have is CFA merge with FC2011 this summer. 

Club based  Academies a preferable option on this but for sure this will then make the competition part suffer. We don't have enough 'competition' from MPL/WPL down to 13th Grade. Even the SI Tournament Rep program we will see player drift as 'serious' players/parents will depart to a new club. Seriously John who could offer a proper option? CTFC and Coastal. FC? Selwyn (soon). So player migration would hasten. 

Quality of coaches? Or is it FTC content? IMO neither are an issue or a hinderance. Potentialy too many players in each age band? 

As far as individiuals selections are concerned being in the shop window is massively important. 2x NTC, 1 x Interfeds and maybe ACFC U17 in no way is visibilty comparative to the exposure two other centres can expect. 

Here's a list of Christchurch lads aged 16,17,18 who mostly left around 13-15 years old and, as far as I know, are still chasing their footy dreams. I've included last known Chch club and where they are now (apologies if incorrect). I think if you asked them why they left, the answer would simply be that they're aiming higher than playing MPL/Dragons. As such, they need to invest more time in their footy than Tuesday/Thursday/pub; so they either a) were selected for or b) chose, full time football environments. In the football lifetimes of these kids, the Dragons/ASBP has been a stepping stone to nowhere much. Being a big fish in your own backyard is no guarantee of success in the wider world. Obviously its a lottery at whether any of these make it, but at least they are having a crack.

97 Joash Sutherland. FC20. Wynrs. Ole. US College (Xavier)

97 Bryce McMillen. Coastal. Wynrs. Ole. Belgium

97 Louie Evans. APFA/Cashmere. >>>?

97 Jackson Brady. APFA/Coastal. Academy in Spain. Coastal

98 Ben Stroud. St Bede's. Wee Nix

98 Kieran Pinkney. Cashmere. Academy in Spain. TBA

98 Liam Gerathy. Coastal. Ole

98 Marcel Kampman. APFA/FC20. Wee Nix

99 Joe Bell. APFA/Christs College. Wee Nix

99 Jacob Anderson. APFA/Nomads. Wee Nix

99 Sam Phillip. APFA/STAC. Wee Nix

99 Luke Tongue. APFA/Waimak. Wee Nix

99 Ellis Hare Reid. STAC. Academy in Spain.

There was one private provider in Christchurch that was producing quality (2 all whites) but opted to move to wellywhich offered a better environment, thats a real shame for christchurch. How many top quality players has the federations produced - zero. going from the latest U17 squad. PA's 14 (the number I know for certain) FTC 0? Let me know if I'm wrong but thats a massive dissapointment for FTC. The Boys at Ole -western suburbs only get the TOL's and maybe the Auckland U17 tournament to show their wares, they could complain about visibility aswell - but they don't

I agree its a big fish, small pond mentality. As I have said before, this may hurt people but just because you may go to FTC and NTC  it does not mean you're good enough for a spot in an national team, in fact you may be way off it. 

I would also be happy with club based acadamies/ pathways, enforcing a strong link/culture with a club but at the moment the points raised above make it unrealistic.

Just my two cents

Of that list Global Game, 4 of them were Nomads 15th Grade that won the league 3 seasons ago, plus Joe Bell was registered .

I don't know the background of each player. Stroud has been mentioned in this thread, I know he didn't make U17 but he did do FTC/NTC but is called a WeeNix player. So how players get categorised may skew statistics.

I don't believe APFA was successful in Chch. 

No one deserves any  preselects for anything

it is interesting that people are told different things depending on their geographical location though.

If, and it's a big if, Private Acadimes are better than what the National Body can provide then economic stratification is guaranteed. GG's post backs this up as the players he listed there where players in Chch of those age bands who were not nessacarily the #1 players around....so their advancement is enabled by economic opportunity. 

I understand this is the way of the world and the same arguement can be levelled at FTC for instance. However the answer to why Chch sucks at U17 boys NZ squad being send them to Nth Island Academy if they have $ is a bit depressing really. 

it sure is. Pretty sure other sports don't have this problem. All I talk about is what I've experienced and that is if your serious about football you aim for a private provider . Surely the south island can conjure up something that can rival the setups in the north island because at the moment you're struggling to keep up. its a no brainer that NZ as a whole would benefit from a larger talent pool. The question is how do you upskill the south without the migration north, as this only weakens and dilutes the competition down there. 

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I am going to get myself in the shark here because i will probably type this wrong, and the written word is hard to convey feelings etc with, but here goes.

Do you YF folk think the actual quality of the coaching at a PP setup is light years better than at a club, or is it dependent on the actual coach? I cant speak because i have never seen an academy for long enough to offer an insight, but I suspect it cant be that much different. How much can you teach a 12 year old better than any where else after all?

Perhaps parents need to stop attaching value to programs simply based on what it costs. If its expensive, it must be better seems to be a common misconception.

Good points

The  big question ?

Why are we not getting our young men in national World Cup squads?

The  very few we have got in have had to go up north or apfa when it was here to get selected for training squads or final squad.

you just have to look at the Onehunga boys that get selected ( wynrs or well nix)

Western suburbs (ole) and obviously the lads from the Phoenix academy's.

I still believe that the clubs could invest in similar paths as these academy's ,I don't know the correct pathway or answer.

One thing that is for certain is we are not getting our kids recognised at national level.

All I here in Christchurch is we have a lot of developing clubs or coaches, developing for what? 

1. Our players are not in a football environment where they can train/play with national-level quality players 5-6 times a week, 11 months a year.

2. Our players don't play in front of national selectors week in, week out; 2-3 x 3 tournaments a year - Napier U19, ACFC U17, national FTC is not enough; out of sight is out of mind.

3. There is no single pathway, much as NZF/Mainland might want you to think otherwise.

4. It is my observation that the talent pool isn't big enough in Chch for each club to attempt to do this. When Mainland attempted it via the much-maligned School of Football the clubs went ballistic because the federation was "stealing our players" (yet many of the younger players from that time are now pursuing their football in environments like Wee Nix etc, what does that tell you?) APFA had similar issues, likewise Coastal's Academy. I'm sure Wynrs/Onehunga Sports and Ole/Western Suburbs attract that criticism too. What SOF/APFA/Wynrs/Ole do is have a crop of real quality players (the best of the best) train and play together 5-6 times a week (in comparison FTCs train twice a week, but not as a team, and don't play as a team). 

5. But that's only the first step. Due to small pond etc, a Chch club/academy needs to regularly play opposition from outside the region; and they have to play regularly in Auckland in the key lead-in time to national camp selections. Once they get beyond 16 or 17, if they're serious about having a crack, they have to leave Chch. An A-league club here, or a national coach based here, may change things :)

Wynrs started the first academy in Christchurch that I can remember.

Wynton was down himself to oversee the course that had one maybe two of his Auckland based coaches and Johann being the Chch based coach.

Kids did the school holiday intro to what was going to be an academy similar to that run in Auckland.

What I saw was better run sessions than any I'd seen put on at the CFA run camps, which in some cases looked like after school care sessions and fooling around. A fig waste of time in some instances.

Mainland or should I say Canterbury Football decided to keep the money pot in house set up their own coaching clinics.

So at that point we had locals Harry McCosh, Keith Howard and others running the various age grades for the CFA.

Can we look back at this being the start of a decline in what we have now for Mainland based players.

Getting invites to go to tournaments as a part of a Wynrs Academy or just make do with FTC squads. 

just interested to know . with 2 chatham cup victories . do the national selectors or regional selectors pick your brains. results would suggest you must know something about player selections . 

When I was  player coach at Woolston and Christchurch city, they were in regular contact . Even once Ricky Herbertt asked me  to play Michael Sands at centre back, as they were looking to select him there for 23s. 

If you look at 2 all whites in particular ,Siggy and Claps , it took a phone call from Steve Sumner to the coaches ,to say you need to come and look a these players,

We did ,however, in the past let them know if we feel we had a player, that is worth a shot.

Napier is a good tournament for us as most of the coaches are there from the secondary schools and u20a so we can or the players can ,state thier case then.

The coaches will speak to ntc coaches or academy coaches at the moment by the looks of it from the outside, to select thier team.

I tell you what wouldn't  do any arm, is having a provisional tournament 6 months before they pick these squads, were you can be selected from academy or ftc  or club ,just the best 16 in the province your from. At least  the coaches could see over a long weekend , that no one has slipped through cracks.

The other thing it would highlight especially for our area is ,are we behind other areas in ability.

You could say that asb youth league could do that but again the coaches are only going to see the games that play in Auckland.

In saying that for these kids to have a better chance ,13,14,15 is where they need to be getting the good coaching more games each week against tougher opposition .

Parents are paying a lot of money to send thier kids up north, say we had a few better equiped teams here with good learning environments with good facilities and tip coaches ,where they could go and play 0ther Pp in the north island and other academies, for a better word ,in town , would parents be more happy doing that .

Even when we do ftc tournament in Wellington our kids may be the best in town ,but what I've been told they are not playing the best from Auck or Welly,so again we aren't getting a gauge to see if they are good enough to make the world cups squads,

Sounds like Halswell yet to appoint a MPL coach for 2016

Copied from Cashmere Technical's facebook page:

Cashmere Technical are proud to announce the appointment of Mick Curry as Women's first team head coach for the 2016 Robbies Women's Premier League season.
Mick has extensive coaching experience in the UK and New Zealand and is very highly qualified having achieved UEFA B qualifications. He is the former Director of Coaching for Woolston Technical and Football Development Officer for Central Football. We look forward to working with Mick as we continue to grow the women's side of our club and push for silverware in 2016.

Well done Tech!

And more news from Cashmere Technical:

The Board of Cashmere Technical FC are proud to announce the appointment of Aaron Clapham as Football Development Manager for the club.

He commenced his position on October 5th. Aaron has had an accomplished playing career - as the current Captain and all time highest scorer for Canterbury United, as well as representing New Zealand on 13 occasions including being a member of the undefeated 2010 FIFA World Cup Finals Squad.

Aaron has coached in numerous Mainland Football programs for the past 5 years and is the coach of the Haier Canterbury United Academy over the past 2 years, coaching the elite 16-20 year old players in Canterbury.

Aaron has been heavily involved with Cashmere Technical for the past 2 seasons as a player in our Champion Senior Men’s Team and has been instrumental in the multi-million dollar development of our Headquarters at Garrick Park.

Long serving coach and Football Development Officer Fred Simpson will be continuing with the club. Fred will focus on developing our younger players, mentoring coaches and community engagement when he returns from England in Mid November.

Aaron will be running all our Skills Centre and Development Programmes in Term 4, and is also planning in house skills development programs for next season.

We also very pleased to announce the appointment of Mick Curry as Women's first team head coach for the 2016 Robbies Women's Premier League season.

Mick has extensive coaching experience in the UK and New Zealand and is very highly qualified having achieved UEFA B qualifications. He is the former Director of Coaching for Woolston Technical and Football Development Officer for Central Football. We look forward to working with Mick as we continue to grow the women's side of our club and push for silverware in 2016.

rumour going round coastal youth tournament is graham McCann is new coach of Halswell for 2016 season. 

Some ok football today at Cuthberts but I wish the Easterly would piss off.

Waimak girls playing well. 

Yup I went down and watched a few games - agree about that Easterly though - cuts right through you - and makes the games a little tricky depending on which way the pitch was facing.

Selwyn Girls 2 wins 1 Loss (to Waimak - some well worked goals there)

Selwyn Lads were 2 wins from 2 with a game right now - looking in very good form.

McMann? Yeah I heard that one floating about a bit as well.  Wouldn't think anyone would be that keen on him these days though - Esp after the last Saga.

did anybody bother to talk to graham . because I did and they are" just" rumours. Can NZ football really afford to lose any coaches with experience . Just because some people don't like him and they get followed by there little sheep doesn't make him either a good coach or a bad coach. 

Waimak girls mainly the under 13 team rather than the pdl and under 15's so basically a development team.

What's happening at Tsunami Cup this year? Reigning champs coastal spirit yet to win a game? Anyone been watching?

I've seen a couple

Girls Final is  CTFC Vs FC 2011

Boys Final is FC 2011 vs Southland

Go away Easterly would be my request.

Uni incredibly unlucky to lose to Southland in the quarters on pens. Southland my pick to win.

Selwyn lost to a fairly well drilled FC team today - I haven't had the pleasure of watching Southland - but I'll back FC just after todays game.

From the Napier Under 19 Tournament - Cashmere Technical miss out on a quarter final spot, on goal different, finished 3rd in their group in the Main Draw. In the Satellite Draw FC Twenty11 did not drop a point in their group only to miss out a place in the final on penalties after drawing 1 - 1 with Forrest Hill Milford in the semi's.

We played both sides and drew with both but Southland were far stronger than fc for me. We could have and should have beaten FC but for a lack of concentration in the last few minutes. Should be a good afternoon tomorrow!

Southland win Lotto U19 5-4 on Pens over FC - Boys

CashTech take out the Girls with a 2-1 win over FC

Fairplay Awards to Selwyn boys and girls Team.

MVP Girls - Kayla Thomas (Selwyn).

MPV Boys - Jordan Spain (Cashmere Technical).

Well done to Coastal for Hosting a great Tournament over this weekend!

Final placings #LottoU19 Boys:

16: Coastal Spirit White; 

15: Christchurch United; 

14: Nelson Invitational 

13: Richmond Athletic;

12: Waimak United; 

11: Parklands United; 

10: Halswell United; 

9: Coastal Spirit Black;

8: Ferrymead Bays; 

7: Cashmere Technical; 

6: Burwood, 5: Universities;

4: Mid Canterbury United; 

3: Selwyn United; 

2: FC Twenty 11, 

1: Southland Spirit.

Final placings #LottoU19 Girls: 

12: Coastal Spirit White; 

11: Parklands Development; 

10: Halswell United;

9: Petone;

8: Selwyn United; 

7: Coastal Spirit Black;

6: Wellington United; 

5: Nelson Suburbs;

4: Waimak United; 

3: Parklands United; 

2: FC Twenty 11 

1: Cashmere Technical,