On the face of it, $100 per player seems high and for it to make up 74% of the clubs outgoings seems unreasonable & unsustainable. I've long felt that the federations/NZF take a lot more money from social football than they put back in but haven't seen any numbers either way.
Not sure what the alternative is though. Regular World Cup money should help in the future if spent properly.
wouldnt the players fees to the club cover that though? I'd assume that each player registered would be paying in excess of $200/season. which covers the $15k to mainland football ad the rest goes to the club? Same anywhere, a bulk of a players rego fee goes to the federation, whatever is left is the clubs to utilise.
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Round 3 Fixtures: All Saturday 18 April 11:00am Christchurch United U20 vs. Western - United Sports Centre Nomads Res. vs. Ferrymead Bays U20 - Tulett Park 1:00pm Burwood vs. Cashmere Technical - Clare Park Waimak vs. Selwyn Res. - Kendall Park 1:30pm - note change to kick-off Universities of Canterbury vs. Halswell - English Park
Everyone avoids the dreaded Ashburton road trip Good to see Mid Canterbury back in these sorts of competitions! Always better when some of the more niche clubs decide to take part. Remember Oxford FC and Prebbleton FC entering a couple years ago
Round 3 - all Saturday 2 May 12:30pm Cashmere Technical Res. vs. Waimak - Garrick Memorial Park Christchurch United U20 vs. Burwood - United Sports Centre 2:30pm Western vs. Ferrymead Bays U20 - Walter Park 2:45pm Halswell vs. Nomads Res. - Halswell Domain Selwyn Res. vs. Universities of Canterbury - Foster Park
From what I understand they couldn't find a coach with the correct liscence so had to drop a level, and I'm guessing they lost a lot of important players too.
Is the CPL a closed league or could UC be relegated end of the season?
From what I understand they couldn't find a coach with the correct liscence so had to drop a level, and I'm guessing they lost a lot of important players too.
Is the CPL a closed league or could UC be relegated end of the season?
There is relegation down to the Championship which is what happened to FC 2011 last season, as long as there is an eligible team to be promoted - currently Coastal Reserves are leading that division and are eligible to play CPL. It will also depend on promotion and relegation from the Southern League and I don't believe that has actually been finalised yet for next season.
From what I understand they couldn't find a coach with the correct liscence so had to drop a level, and I'm guessing they lost a lot of important players too.
Is the CPL a closed league or could UC be relegated end of the season?
There is relegation down to the Championship which is what happened to FC 2011 last season, as long as there is an eligible team to be promoted - currently Coastal Reserves are leading that division and are eligible to play CPL. It will also depend on promotion and relegation from the Southern League and I don't believe that has actually been finalised yet for next season.
Blimey I didn't even notice 2011 getting Leicestered until you pointed it out. It looks likew they're doing better now but what happened here? Financial collapse? Player exodus?
LT01 wrote: Halswell looking pretty clear contenders to be promoted/go into the promotion playoff/however it works this year!
Looking even more likely after the round just played, strong starting teams of Nomads, Tech & United all have losses. Although they can't be promoted themselves, if two of them were to finish above Halswell then that would stop the Hawks chance of promotion playoffs.
From what I understand they couldn't find a coach with the correct liscence so had to drop a level, and I'm guessing they lost a lot of important players too.
Is the CPL a closed league or could UC be relegated end of the season?
There is relegation down to the Championship which is what happened to FC 2011 last season, as long as there is an eligible team to be promoted - currently Coastal Reserves are leading that division and are eligible to play CPL. It will also depend on promotion and relegation from the Southern League and I don't believe that has actually been finalised yet for next season.
Blimey I didn't even notice 2011 getting Leicestered until you pointed it out. It looks likew they're doing better now but what happened here? Financial collapse? Player exodus?
Player exodus maybe, looks like a completely different team from what they had when they were in the Southern League. Not many teams have gone up & managed to stay up. Seems the drop back down can have a big impact too, as mentioned FC now in the championship & Uni looking a chance of this as well (although only 4 games in at the moment). If Uni were to be relegated, there would be 3 Uni teams in the championship which would be weird.
Round 5 Fixtures: Saturday 16 May Midday Nomads Res. vs. Selwyn Res. - Tulett Park 12:30pm Ferrymead Bays U20 vs. Halswell - Ferrymead Park 2:30pm Burwood vs. Western - Clare Park 2:45pm Waimak vs. Christchurch United U20 - Kendall Park
Game between Universities of Canterbury vs. Cashmere Technical Res. being played on 2 June.
Looks like a bit going on at the end of the Bays v Halswell game with a few cards being shown. Who was down watching and can let us know what happened?
Round 6 Fixture's: All Saturday 23 May: 12:30pm ChCh United U20 vs. Universities of Canterbury - United Sports Centre 2:30pm Burwood vs. Waimak - Clare Road Western vs. Halswell - Walter Park 2:45pm Cashmere Technical Res. vs. Nomads Res. Garrick Memorial Park Selwyn Res. vs. Ferrymead Bays U20 vs. Foster Park
Uni and Western occupying the bottom two spots goes to show how centralised 90% of the talent in the region is, with most players of Premiership quality turning out for SL reserve teams in hopes of getting a gig at the next level. Halswell maybe defying the odds a little to be top but there just isn't enough talent in the other 'first teams' to be able to sustain a title challenge and push for promotion.
SamCoughlan wrote: Uni and Western occupying the bottom two spots goes to show how centralised 90% of the talent in the region is, with most players of Premiership quality turning out for SL reserve teams in hopes of getting a gig at the next level. Halswell maybe defying the odds a little to be top but there just isn't enough talent in the other 'first teams' to be able to sustain a title challenge and push for promotion.
Additionally Waimakariri sits 7th, only seperated from the bottom three by Selwyn. Would it be a good idea for reserve sides to be kicked from the CPL and turn it into a 1st team only comp? Bring up sides like Twenty 11, Parklands and maybe some Timaru sides? Admittedly a flawed solution but unsure how else to fix an issue like this
Edit: Maybe for next year you kick most reserve sides besides the NL sides just so you don't completely drain the competition, then you'd have a side that looks like - Burwood, Waimakariri, UC football, Western, Twenty 11, Parklands, Cashmere, Coastal or Chch United (Maybe both if one is able to win the playoff into NL), and either pull a team from Timaru or just keep it a 9-team comp like the SPL
South Canterbury (Timaru) is in Southern region alongside the Otago & Southland sides (for some reason),with Northern Hearts currently top of the SPL. 9 clubs id probably alright, but could always see if one of the smaller clubs was keen to give it a go (Mid Canterbury United?).
But I do agree it is probably something Maindland Football should look into, particularly as I expect Halswell will probably get promoted this year.
SamCoughlan wrote: Uni and Western occupying the bottom two spots goes to show how centralised 90% of the talent in the region is, with most players of Premiership quality turning out for SL reserve teams in hopes of getting a gig at the next level. Halswell maybe defying the odds a little to be top but there just isn't enough talent in the other 'first teams' to be able to sustain a title challenge and push for promotion.
Additionally Waimakariri sits 7th, only seperated from the bottom three by Selwyn. Would it be a good idea for reserve sides to be kicked from the CPL and turn it into a 1st team only comp? Bring up sides like Twenty 11, Parklands and maybe some Timaru sides? Admittedly a flawed solution but unsure how else to fix an issue like this
Edit: Maybe for next year you kick most reserve sides besides the NL sides just so you don't completely drain the competition, then you'd have a side that looks like - Burwood, Waimakariri, UC football, Western, Twenty 11, Parklands, Cashmere, Coastal or Chch United (Maybe both if one is able to win the playoff into NL), and either pull a team from Timaru or just keep it a 9-team comp like the SPL
Again no great options but weird one to solve
I'm not sure how kicking out Reserve teams benefits anyone! Where do they go? Considering those sides predominantly are much better and play a higher standard of football than the others (bar Halswell you could argue), it would make a mockery of a competition..
SamCoughlan wrote: Uni and Western occupying the bottom two spots goes to show how centralised 90% of the talent in the region is, with most players of Premiership quality turning out for SL reserve teams in hopes of getting a gig at the next level. Halswell maybe defying the odds a little to be top but there just isn't enough talent in the other 'first teams' to be able to sustain a title challenge and push for promotion.
Additionally Waimakariri sits 7th, only seperated from the bottom three by Selwyn. Would it be a good idea for reserve sides to be kicked from the CPL and turn it into a 1st team only comp? Bring up sides like Twenty 11, Parklands and maybe some Timaru sides? Admittedly a flawed solution but unsure how else to fix an issue like this
Edit: Maybe for next year you kick most reserve sides besides the NL sides just so you don't completely drain the competition, then you'd have a side that looks like - Burwood, Waimakariri, UC football, Western, Twenty 11, Parklands, Cashmere, Coastal or Chch United (Maybe both if one is able to win the playoff into NL), and either pull a team from Timaru or just keep it a 9-team comp like the SPL
Again no great options but weird one to solve
I'm not sure how kicking out Reserve teams benefits anyone! Where do they go? Considering those sides predominantly are much better and play a higher standard of football than the others (bar Halswell you could argue), it would make a mockery of a competition..
The idea is that by relegating the reserve sides out of the CPL players will move to these other struggling clubs.
The main issue right now is that it seems many players are thinking "Why should I play for Western or Waimakariri when I could play for the Coastal or Cashtech reserves? That way I'm playing at the same level only I have a higher chance of getting promoted to the SL since I'm already part of the club!"
So by relegating reserve sides it should in theory push these players to join these smaller clubs to remain in the CPL, thus making these clubs more competitive. Look at the NRFL system for example.
I'm not saying this is a perfect solution by any means though. Happy to hear if you have any ideas
SamCoughlan wrote: Uni and Western occupying the bottom two spots goes to show how centralised 90% of the talent in the region is, with most players of Premiership quality turning out for SL reserve teams in hopes of getting a gig at the next level. Halswell maybe defying the odds a little to be top but there just isn't enough talent in the other 'first teams' to be able to sustain a title challenge and push for promotion.
Additionally Waimakariri sits 7th, only seperated from the bottom three by Selwyn. Would it be a good idea for reserve sides to be kicked from the CPL and turn it into a 1st team only comp? Bring up sides like Twenty 11, Parklands and maybe some Timaru sides? Admittedly a flawed solution but unsure how else to fix an issue like this
Edit: Maybe for next year you kick most reserve sides besides the NL sides just so you don't completely drain the competition, then you'd have a side that looks like - Burwood, Waimakariri, UC football, Western, Twenty 11, Parklands, Cashmere, Coastal or Chch United (Maybe both if one is able to win the playoff into NL), and either pull a team from Timaru or just keep it a 9-team comp like the SPL
Again no great options but weird one to solve
I'm not sure how kicking out Reserve teams benefits anyone! Where do they go? Considering those sides predominantly are much better and play a higher standard of football than the others (bar Halswell you could argue), it would make a mockery of a competition..
The idea is that by relegating the reserve sides out of the CPL players will move to these other struggling clubs.
The main issue right now is that it seems many players are thinking "Why should I play for Western or Waimakariri when I could play for the Coastal or Cashtech reserves? That way I'm playing at the same level only I have a higher chance of getting promoted to the SL since I'm already part of the club!"
So by relegating reserve sides it should in theory push these players to join these smaller clubs to remain in the CPL, thus making these clubs more competitive. Look at the NRFL system for example.
I'm not saying this is a perfect solution by any means though. Happy to hear if you have any ideas
In my opinion there needs to be a pathway for smaller clubs to attract payers. They are far less resourced than the big NL clubs in terms of gear/facilities/player payments.
The pyramid model only works if there is clear separation between first teams and reserves in a league structure.
The Northern League has it right, so too does Central with their Central League 2. In Wellington we are seeing older fringe first team players move to smaller clubs. These smaller clubs often serve the community they are based in and are therefore important to not just football. The gap between the CL clubs and the next tier is definitely shrinking.
From the outside looking in Canterbury need to find a way to achieve this also - even with the travel constraints. Southern seem to be doing it well with their SPL, so why can’t there be a second tier MPL? An additional team from Nelson (FC Nelson have tried for years to get promoted), plus the 7 first team clubs in Christchurch.
SamCoughlan wrote: Uni and Western occupying the bottom two spots goes to show how centralised 90% of the talent in the region is, with most players of Premiership quality turning out for SL reserve teams in hopes of getting a gig at the next level. Halswell maybe defying the odds a little to be top but there just isn't enough talent in the other 'first teams' to be able to sustain a title challenge and push for promotion.
Additionally Waimakariri sits 7th, only seperated from the bottom three by Selwyn. Would it be a good idea for reserve sides to be kicked from the CPL and turn it into a 1st team only comp? Bring up sides like Twenty 11, Parklands and maybe some Timaru sides? Admittedly a flawed solution but unsure how else to fix an issue like this
Edit: Maybe for next year you kick most reserve sides besides the NL sides just so you don't completely drain the competition, then you'd have a side that looks like - Burwood, Waimakariri, UC football, Western, Twenty 11, Parklands, Cashmere, Coastal or Chch United (Maybe both if one is able to win the playoff into NL), and either pull a team from Timaru or just keep it a 9-team comp like the SPL
Again no great options but weird one to solve
I'm not sure how kicking out Reserve teams benefits anyone! Where do they go? Considering those sides predominantly are much better and play a higher standard of football than the others (bar Halswell you could argue), it would make a mockery of a competition..
The idea is that by relegating the reserve sides out of the CPL players will move to these other struggling clubs.
The main issue right now is that it seems many players are thinking "Why should I play for Western or Waimakariri when I could play for the Coastal or Cashtech reserves? That way I'm playing at the same level only I have a higher chance of getting promoted to the SL since I'm already part of the club!"
So by relegating reserve sides it should in theory push these players to join these smaller clubs to remain in the CPL, thus making these clubs more competitive. Look at the NRFL system for example.
I'm not saying this is a perfect solution by any means though. Happy to hear if you have any ideas
In my opinion there needs to be a pathway for smaller clubs to attract payers. They are far less resourced than the big NL clubs in terms of gear/facilities/player payments.
The pyramid model only works if there is clear separation between first teams and reserves in a league structure.
The Northern League has it right, so too does Central with their Central League 2. In Wellington we are seeing older fringe first team players move to smaller clubs. These smaller clubs often serve the community they are based in and are therefore important to not just football. The gap between the CL clubs and the next tier is definitely shrinking.
From the outside looking in Canterbury need to find a way to achieve this also - even with the travel constraints. Southern seem to be doing it well with their SPL, so why can’t there be a second tier MPL? An additional team from Nelson (FC Nelson have tried for years to get promoted), plus the 7 first team clubs in Christchurch.
I'm not sure a 2nd Tier MPL would be any better than the current structure that includes Southern League U20 reserve sides. The likes of Parklands, FC etc are not going to increase the quality. This suggestion again doesn't account for SL reserve sides, so what happens to them? If you took them out along with Halswell being promoted, that league would be a pretty low standard in all due respect. Potentially you could have a SL reserve league which would mean those on the fringe of SL football are getting a higher standard than what it is current. You could have Dunedin v CHCH sides play in Timaru to cut costs. It would be a bit of a hit to Nelson as they'd be travelling with 32 players every second week but it is potentially worth looking at? The only other option is to keep the status quo and scrap the U20 rule for SL reserve sides that no other federation has, as it does absolutely nothing..
SamCoughlan wrote: Uni and Western occupying the bottom two spots goes to show how centralised 90% of the talent in the region is, with most players of Premiership quality turning out for SL reserve teams in hopes of getting a gig at the next level. Halswell maybe defying the odds a little to be top but there just isn't enough talent in the other 'first teams' to be able to sustain a title challenge and push for promotion.
Additionally Waimakariri sits 7th, only seperated from the bottom three by Selwyn. Would it be a good idea for reserve sides to be kicked from the CPL and turn it into a 1st team only comp? Bring up sides like Twenty 11, Parklands and maybe some Timaru sides? Admittedly a flawed solution but unsure how else to fix an issue like this
Edit: Maybe for next year you kick most reserve sides besides the NL sides just so you don't completely drain the competition, then you'd have a side that looks like - Burwood, Waimakariri, UC football, Western, Twenty 11, Parklands, Cashmere, Coastal or Chch United (Maybe both if one is able to win the playoff into NL), and either pull a team from Timaru or just keep it a 9-team comp like the SPL
Again no great options but weird one to solve
I'm not sure how kicking out Reserve teams benefits anyone! Where do they go? Considering those sides predominantly are much better and play a higher standard of football than the others (bar Halswell you could argue), it would make a mockery of a competition..
The idea is that by relegating the reserve sides out of the CPL players will move to these other struggling clubs.
The main issue right now is that it seems many players are thinking "Why should I play for Western or Waimakariri when I could play for the Coastal or Cashtech reserves? That way I'm playing at the same level only I have a higher chance of getting promoted to the SL since I'm already part of the club!"
So by relegating reserve sides it should in theory push these players to join these smaller clubs to remain in the CPL, thus making these clubs more competitive. Look at the NRFL system for example.
I'm not saying this is a perfect solution by any means though. Happy to hear if you have any ideas
From the outside looking in Canterbury need to find a way to achieve this also - even with the travel constraints. Southern seem to be doing it well with their SPL, so why can’t there be a second tier MPL? An additional team from Nelson (FC Nelson have tried for years to get promoted), plus the 7 first team clubs in Christchurch.
In all fairness SPL mainly functions because the Otago region has struggled with top flight representation. Can't really flood the league with reserve sides if only two of your clubs are in the SL (Technically should be three because of Wanaka but their reserves play in the Central Lakes League) So players are still encouraged to play at the other clubs.
Also Grant Braes was essentially sent to purgatory when they were sent to the Fletchers Cup (Div below SPL) and have basically no hope of ever coming back up. Just look at the fletchers cup through the years on tribe and you'll see what I mean.
So yeah we're kinda kept afloat through circumstance and less so structure
Round 7 All Saturday 6 June 12:30pm Ferrymead Bays U20 vs. Cashmere Technical Res. - Ferrymead Park Universities of Canterbury vs. Burwood - English Park
2:45pm Halswell vs. Selwyn Res. - Halswell Domain Nomads Res. vs. Christchurch United U 20 - Tulett Park Waimak vs. Western - Kendall Park
